Player Sochan's Extension Watch

[LeBowen]

I don't understand why everyone assumes Olynyk was brought in to be a regular rotation member with significant minutes.
We need three legit NBA-level bigs (Biyombo isn't one anymore) if we're to compete and I don't think anyone expects Wemby to play every game.

Kornet looks like he's way better than ~15mpg he can get as Wemby's backup (if he's got the conditioning for more, that is) and we'll surely see 5 to 10 minutes of twin tower action in a lot of games.
Olynyk is an insurance policy on an expiring contract we acquired in exchange for two players that had no chance of making the rotation.
We basically traded guard third stringers for a third string big.

 

[OK Computer]

Not playing a guy who’s recovering from surgery =/= tanking.

Yeah, it’s not Olynyk’s fault he had a surgery. I get that. But shit happens, and reality is, he has more to prove just because he’s at that age where you first have to see if he can keep up athletically against other players. Players like Gay, McDermott (there are probably better examples) phased themselves out of regular minutes due to their declining athleticism. Olynyk is starting in the negatives is all I’m saying.

 

[brazil]

Pairing Victor and Kornhub is tempting BUT we brought him to ensure that when Victor is on the bench we have rebounding and rim protection. If you start them, we will have the same headache than last year with the second unit tbh.. then we have Kelly but not sure what to expect from him

 

[LeBowen]

Pairing Victor and Kornhub is tempting BUT we brought him to ensure that when Victor is on the bench we have rebounding and rim protection. If you start them, we will have the same headache than last year with the second unit tbh.. then we have Kelly but not sure what to expect from him

We don't need to start them together, but I'd rather have 10 minutes of Wemby/Kornet than 10 minutes of Wemby/Sochan.

Something like Wemby gets 25mpg at C, 8mpg at PF.
Kornet gets 23mpg at C.

 

[Shmurs]

Folks. Olynyk is not playing meaningful basketball on this team.

 

[Exstatic]

Bump to freak people out, Thinking something happened.

 

[J_Posse301]

We don't need to start them together, but I'd rather have 10 minutes of Wemby/Kornet than 10 minutes of Wemby/Sochan.

Something like Wemby gets 25mpg at C, 8mpg at PF.
Kornet gets 23mpg at C.

I hate to break it to you, but Sochan is likely playing alongside Wemby or Kornet.

He might not start because the team needs Barnes' three-point shooting in the starting lineup, but unless he's traded Jeremy will still see significant playtime.

I would say around 25 -29 minutes a night especially if his finishing/cutting, rebounding, passing and team defense can continue to improve.

His outside shooting is the biggest unknown, yet is the least likely to improve.

 

[LeBowen]

I hate to break it to you, but Sochan is likely playing alongside Wemby or Kornet.

He might not start because the team needs Barnes' three-point shooting in the starting lineup, but unless he's traded Jeremy will still see significant playtime.

I would say around 25 -29 minutes a night especially if his finishing/cutting, rebounding, passing and team defense can continue to improve.

His outside shooting is the biggest unknown, yet is the least likely to improve.

Last season he dropped to 25mpg, his lowest yet and that's with all the injuries and Collins getting traded.
If we had competent bigs and were trying to compete, he wouldn't have played more than 20mpg.

As I wrote in the opening post of rotations topic, I don't think he'll get more than 10 guaranteed minutes. He'll play 30 in some games, but only if he's doing well.
He can't play with another non-shooter, I don't think we'll see much of him and Kornet together.
If Castle doesn't improve his shot, that's another bad combination with Jeremy.

Since we have Fox/Harper/Devin for guard positions, with Waters also looking solid, Castle will spend minutes at SF and Wemby could play at PF with Kornet looking good.
Then there are Barnes, Keldon and Champagnie for forward positions. Bryant if he's not in Austin.

There aren't enough minutes for everyone. I just hope that Pop's influence is gone and that Mitch won't be sentimental. Whoever is the worst performing player of that bunch won't get minutes. That's with Bryant in Austin.
And if Bryant develops into a positive defender with a functional jumpshot during the season, it's over for Jeremy because Bryant obviously has a higher ceiling.

 

[Sugus]

There aren't enough minutes for everyone. I just hope that Pop's influence is gone and that Mitch won't be sentimental. Whoever is the worst performing player of that bunch won't get minutes.

Not that I disagree with your post and sentiment, but isn't Pop like, the new PoBo for the team?

If his influence seems gone, someone should go check on his pulse and see if it ain't just him being "gone" for real.......

 

[PanameSpur]

Carter Bryant has already shown better fundamentals than Sochan, his ball handling, passing and court vision are already very decent and his shot isn't ugly/won't need a whole reconstruction process.

Of course he's "greener" but just listening to him you can see he's a lot more educated and reflexive, not tough to see a much higher IQ than Sochan's 20 words vocabulary (I'm joking... kinda ^^).

I'd love to see PATFO (yes it still is) treat him like a lottery pick and give him tons of playing time.

Sorry for his fans but it's about winning, not making friends and Sochan isn't worth the playing time taken away from CB imho.

My dream for Sochan and us is to include him in a big trade (for a Lauri I'd be in heaven)

 

[OK Computer]

We found Pauleta, lol.

 

[Splits]

Was looking at Sochan's last year splits on 3p% and found a couple of interesting things. Small sample size because he shoots so little, so take worth a couple grains of salt

Sucked at home but was well above league average at on the road
Started the season almost league average and fell off a cliff post ASB
Was absolutely horrible as a starter but against 2nd units was above league average

 

[Ariel]

OK, so Sochan should only shoot while in the 2nd unit, on the road, and not after the ASG... Can we get a breakdown by hair color as well?

Let's be serious, dude is a non shooter, you're bound to find pockets of good shooting if you cherry pick enough.

 

[Corso]

Was looking at Sochan's last year splits on 3p% and found a couple of interesting things. Small sample size because he shoots so little, so take worth a couple grains of salt

Sucked at home but was well above league average at on the road
Started the season almost league average and fell off a cliff post ASB
Was absolutely horrible as a starter but against 2nd units was above league average

Bruh, your avi looks rent-a-center.

 

[J_Posse301]

Last season he dropped to 25mpg, his lowest yet and that's with all the injuries and Collins getting traded.
If we had competent bigs and were trying to compete, he wouldn't have played more than 20mpg.

As I wrote in the opening post of rotations topic, I don't think he'll get more than 10 guaranteed minutes. He'll play 30 in some games, but only if he's doing well.
He can't play with another non-shooter, I don't think we'll see much of him and Kornet together.
If Castle doesn't improve his shot, that's another bad combination with Jeremy.

Since we have Fox/Harper/Devin for guard positions, with Waters also looking solid, Castle will spend minutes at SF and Wemby could play at PF with Kornet looking good.
Then there are Barnes, Keldon and Champagnie for forward positions. Bryant if he's not in Austin.

There aren't enough minutes for everyone. I just hope that Pop's influence is gone and that Mitch won't be sentimental. Whoever is the worst performing player of that bunch won't get minutes. That's with Bryant in Austin.
And if Bryant develops into a positive defender with a functional jumpshot during the season, it's over for Jeremy because Bryant obviously has a higher ceiling.

I'm not going to go back-and-forth on every comment you made, but Sochan was also dealing with injuries & Barnes was the better option (floor spacer) in the starting lineup.

The only people with "guaranteed minutes"/role are Fox, Wembanyama, Castle & Harper, IMO. The remaining guys need to play well or have good chemistry with the solidified guys to earn more minutes.

I don't see Bryant and Sochan as similar players. Yes, they have similar builds but Sochan is more of an undersized 4 (like Siakam and Draymond Green) while Carter Bryant is a SF. A SF that can possibly slide down a spot and play some PF.

I would prefer him taking the long-term SF spot, especially if Castle proves that he is unable to play SF long-term.

 

[Kick-Stand]

The NYT just put out an article about how Wemby is being reimagined as a Forward this season (which was the original dream alongside Zollins).
This explains why we signed three centers in the offseason, which at first felt like too many bodies at that position, but makes a lot more sense if Wemby is a 4.
This could have big implications for Sochan, who can't start next to Wemby and Kornet.
He also gets pushed further down the Forward depth chart if Wemby is in that mix.

Ah man not this shit again. Wemby's handles aren't up to playing a face up Durant kind of game and he looks average on offense every time they try to play him like a PF.

 

[Splits]

Bruh, your avi looks rent-a-center.

yeah well I can't get it to fit and made it like 10 years ago and don't have the original

 

[Corso]

yeah well I can't get it to fit and made it like 10 years ago and don't have the original

You did your best homie.

Now do better! Use that AI shit! @scott got dem prompts to fix things.

He fixes everything.

 

[gilmor2002]

I have to agree the Wemby/kornet combo is way better than Wemby/sochan. Kornet has so much ball sense and his offensive tip-ins make so many more easy baskets for Celtics last year.

 

[Shmurs]

I'm not going to go back-and-forth on every comment you made, but Sochan was also dealing with injuries & Barnes was the better option (floor spacer) in the starting lineup.

The only people with "guaranteed minutes"/role are Fox, Wembanyama, Castle & Harper, IMO. The remaining guys need to play well or have good chemistry with the solidified guys to earn more minutes.

I don't see Bryant and Sochan as similar players. Yes, they have similar builds but Sochan is more of an undersized 4 (like Siakam and Draymond Green) while Carter Bryant is a SF. A SF that can possibly slide down a spot and play some PF.

I would prefer him taking the long-term SF spot, especially if Castle proves that he is unable to play SF long-term.

I don’t know man…last night CB looked like what people want Jeremy to be. They seem very very similar, role-wise. He’s obviously going to be a better connector, ball handler, shooter than Jeremy. The questions will be processing and rebounds. If he can show even average IQ and get to like 6-8 boards a game, that’s a wrap for Jeremy.

 

[KobesAchilles]

I don’t know man…last night CB looked like what people want Jeremy to be. They seem very very similar, role-wise. He’s obviously going to be a better connector, ball handler, shooter than Jeremy. The questions will be processing and rebounds. If he can show even average IQ and get to like 6-8 boards a game, that’s a wrap for Jeremy.

Our only hope of making the playoffs (imho) is for Bryant to not only take up Sochans minutes but be a starter by years end. He is what we are badly in need of

 

[The Truth #6]

I'd start Sochan and Barnes. I'd like to bench Devin to get his agent working on trades but very unlikely the FO set any boundaries with him.

I'm done with Devin but open to see Jeremy early, if he's ever healthy. If Jeremy can't see the court due to just health reasons then that's bad for everyone, because the team needs to start making decisions to move forward.

 

[J_Posse301]

Our only hope of making the playoffs (imho) is for Bryant to not only take up Sochans minutes but be a starter by years end. He is what we are badly in need of

I personally think Bryant is competing with Champagnie, (if the Spurs still see him as SF) Barnes & Castle at the SF spot. He's got the measurables of a SF (6'7", 7' wingspan, 215 lbs) while Sochan is either 6'9" or 6'10" (he wasn't measured at the combine), with a similar (alleged) wingspan and weighs 15 lbs more.

I guess because Jeremy doesn't play big or have the vertical pop of a Miles Bridges, Carter Bryant or Ausar Thompson it makes him seem 'smaller.'

I get that folks are down on Sochan and that's their prerogative, but Bryant shouldn't be pigeonholed as his 'replacement.' I think he has a little more upside than just a 3-&-D, small ball 4.

I would rather see if he can grow into a versatile, do-it-all, switchable SF. And ball handling and playmaking are the least of his worries with Fox, Castle & Harper on the team.

 

[Ariel]

yeah well I can't get it to fit and made it like 10 years ago and don't have the original

If you use the following it'd look a bit better I think;

 

[TBdog]

Carter Bryant has a way to go.