Draft Atlanta Hawks Pick-Swap Watch Thread

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I don't see CJ making a winning impact in ATL. I hope they trade for Davis. That happens and we're drafting the top 10 for sure!

 

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'd take Okongwu in a second. Make it happen Pop!

 

[Raven_]

hawks could be really good very soon, but it is fragile

 

[Mugen]

Like Mugen said, I doubt ATL would make any trade with us right now, but if they would, I'd gladly make the deal LeBowen just suggested above for Okongwu tbh. He can easily play Barnes' role offensively of hitting (mostly corner) 3's (that's already his forte) while being a significant upgrade defensively. Would also give us some much-needed size on our front court — he's 6'10 250 lbs w/ a 7'1 wingspan. Just turned 25 last month so he's just entering his prime now and doesn't need years to develop. He'd be a seamless fit on this roster. No-brainer imo.

Great contract as well. It'd be a no brainer which is why it's a pipe dream.

 

[PocketMonger]

The Hawks prefer to include Okongwu in the AD deal instead of Risacher would be my guess. If the Mavs don't want Okongwu we can include some Hawks picks in exchange for Okongwu. More than happy to help.

 

[LeBowen]

Like Mugen said, I doubt ATL would make any trade with us right now, but if they would, I'd gladly make the deal LeBowen just suggested above for Okongwu tbh. He can easily play Barnes' role offensively of hitting (mostly corner) 3's (that's already his forte) while being a significant upgrade defensively. Would also give us some much-needed size on our front court — he's 6'10 250 lbs w/ a 7'1 wingspan. Just turned 25 last month so he's just entering his prime now. He'd be a seamless fit on this roster. No-brainer imo.

As I said before, I think our biggest issue in the playoffs if we don't get more size at PF will be dealing with the likes of Gordon, Randle and even Jabari that will kill Barnes with their size.

Ideally, our front court for the next season should be something like:
Wemby.
Kornet as a traditional big.
PF/C type that can shoot and rebound. Can play with Wemby, Kornet or be the backup C in bench lineups that run opponents off the floor.
SF/PF type, let's say if Barnes wasn't washed. A deadly 3pt shooter that speeds the game up and gives us elite spacing, great for matching up against the likes of OKC.

I'm a believer that even if you're the best team out there, it's crucial to be able to adapt with versatile players and deal with anything that's thrown at you.

 

[spurraider21]

Can he play the 4, because it looks like he hardly does. Bbref isn’t always accurate,but they,list 96% at the 5, and 4% at the 4. That’s kind of definitive.

bbref says tim duncan played 100% of his minutes at center from 2008 thru 2015 (and then 1% in 15-16) including all the years he was playing alongside splitter

 

[mo7888]

The Hawks prefer to include Okongwu in the AD deal instead of Risacher would be my guess. If the Mavs don't want Okongwu we can include some Hawks picks in exchange for Okongwu. More than happy to help.

If they include Okongwu instead of Risacher I think we can get him for the Atlanta 27 and a couple seconds. He doesn't fit with Gafford or PJ. I'd be pretty stoked with that move.

 

[PocketMonger]

bbref says tim duncan played 100% of his minutes at center from 2008 thru 2015 (and then 1% in 15-16) including all the years he was playing alongside splitter

I still marvel that as recent as 2015 Splitter/Duncan lineups were still playable offensively.

 

[Mugen]

They'd be more inclined to move PJ or Gafford IMO in even the unlikely scenario that the Hawks get AD.

Okongwu/Flagg/Lively/PJ is a pretty great front court tbh.

 

[Mugen]

I still marvel that as recent as 2015 Splitter/Duncan lineups were still playable offensively.

Helps that Timmy/Boris were two of the best passing big men of all time and Splitter was also elite in that category.

 

[mo7888]

They'd be more inclined to move PJ or Gafford IMO in even the unlikely scenario that the Hawks get AD.

Okongwu/Flagg/Lively/PJ is a pretty great front court tbh.

That's not nearly enough floor spacing, but if they'd rather have Okongwu that PJ, we can definitely help with that..

 

[Raven_]

I like okongwu, but what would he be doing with us though?

 

[PocketMonger]

I like okongwu, but what would he be doing with us though?

He'd replace Barnes in the starting lineup and solves the size and defense issues at PF. On offense he can stand in the corner and hit threes and rebound better than HB.

 

[scott]

He can, but the issue is that Hawks haven't had a legit C in years, just washed Capela and injured Porzingis.

If Okongwu was actually available, I'd offer them to basically undo the Dejounte trade.
Cancel this year's swap and give them back their '27 pick in exchange for our '27 pick back.

Not trying to be a "well ackshually" guy - but ATL can't help us get our '27 pick back (not directly anyway)... it's with SAC (1-16)/OKC (17-30)

 

[LeBowen]

Not trying to be a "well ackshually" guy - but ATL can't help us get our '27 pick back (not directly anyway)... it's with SAC (1-16)/OKC (17-30)

What the hell is wrong with me, I keep forgetting that we traded it to SAC and not ATL.
It's like the third time over the past few weeks I made that mistake.

Anyhow, even if it's just the '26 swap cancelled and '27 given back, I think Okongwu would be worth it.
If they get AD, that's probably trading down ~10 spots this year and a mid-late teens pick in '27.
And Okongwu will be the type of player we're looking for in the draft.

 

[DTW]

Maybe it's just me, but I read that as in to say, the Hawks aren't comfortable with Okongwu and Gueye as their C tandem; not that they're looking to move Okongwu.

As I said a few days ago, I think they view him as an elite third big in a three man rotation, which he would be if Porzingis or Davis, if acquired in his stead, were be available for more than five minutes at a time.

 

[scott]

What the hell is wrong with me, I keep forgetting that we traded it to SAC and not ATL.
It's like the third time over the past few weeks I made that mistake.

Anyhow, even if it's just the '26 swap cancelled and '27 given back, I think Okongwu would be worth it.
If they get AD, that's probably trading down ~10 spots this year and a mid-late teens pick in '27.
And Okongwu will be the type of player we're looking for in the draft.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I hope they do trade for AD as I think it would make them worse. They'd be giving up some real rotation pieces for a guy who's likely to get injured within his first 3 games of playing for them.

 

[LeBowen]

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I hope they do trade for AD as I think it would make them worse. They'd be giving up some real rotation pieces for a guy who's likely to get injured within his first 3 games of playing for them.

Yeah, but the Pelicans suck and if they get a top3 pick they'll be solid enough.

As you often like to say, we can't expect to get high end players from late lottery or worse picks every time and I'm kind of done with gambling.
Okongwu is a sure thing and would be a really nice fit for us.

 

[scott]

Yeah, but the Pelicans suck and if they get a top3 pick they'll be solid enough.

As you often like to say, we can't expect to get high end players from late lottery or worse picks every time and I'm kind of done with gambling.
Okongwu is a sure thing and would be a really nice fit for us.

I'm more thinking of this year's swap. If they get AD this year, I'm not worried about it devaluing the swap in fact it might make it even better. The last team that traded for AD ended up with the #1 pick

The 27 pick, yeah I don't care so much about that one.

If we give ATL their '26 swap back, then they should hard tank. They aren't too far out from the #5 draft spot. If they could have #2 and #5 pre-lottery in this draft it would be pretty huge.

If we were doing '26 swap and '27 back for Okongwu, I think we'd be justified in asking for a later swap back (like '29 or something). That '26 swap has a lot of value for them.

 

[mo7888]

I'm more thinking of this year's swap. If they get AD this year, I'm not worried about it devaluing the swap in fact it might make it even better. The last team that traded for AD ended up with the #1 pick

The 27 pick, yeah I don't care so much about that one.

If we give ATL their '26 swap back, then they should hard tank. They aren't too far out from the #5 draft spot. If they could have #2 and #5 pre-lottery in this draft it would be pretty huge.

If we were doing '26 swap and '27 back for Okongwu, I think we'd be justified in asking for a later swap back (like '29 or something). That '26 swap has a lot of value for them.

I still think the Atl 27 and a couple 2nd's are enough to get Okongwu if we're essentially getting him from Dallas in a 3 team deal. We can't get him dealing directly with Atl for value, but Dallas will entertain moving him or PJ for that pick.

 

[PocketMonger]

Hawks pick currently has 4.8% chance of hitting top 4 with the 13th best odds.. If they move up to 10th best odds (only two games back) they would have a 11.7% chance of the pick hitting top 4. The combined odds of a top 4 pick with the Pels selection would be 63.8%.

Forget AD and tank.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

He can, but the issue is that Hawks haven't had a legit C in years, just washed Capela and injured Porzingis.

If Okongwu was actually available, I'd offer them to basically undo the Dejounte trade.
Cancel this year's swap and give them back their '27 pick in exchange for our '27 pick back.

I'd offer them their 27 and second rounders. We don't own our 27 and there's no need to overpay. This years swap being around the 15th pick is perfect for us to get a role player on a low contract. Giving the Hawks 27 back gives them a lot more flexibility to include picks in an AD trade.

Man I wish we could get this done. Okongwu has been one of my dream targets for the PF role.

 

[Ice009]

He can, but the issue is that Hawks haven't had a legit C in years, just washed Capela and injured Porzingis.

If Okongwu was actually available, I'd offer them to basically undo the Dejounte trade.
Cancel this year's swap and give them back their '27 pick in exchange for our '27 pick back.

I thought Sacramento has the Spurs' '27 pick? I'm confused. Where has the Spurs' 2027 first round pick ended up?

Edit : Just saw on this page it's protected 1-16 OKC and 17-30 SAC. So who actually gets it? If it falls between 17-30, does that mean OKC gets it?

Can he play the 4, because it looks like he hardly does. Bbref isn’t always accurate,but they,list 96% at the 5, and 4% at the 4. That’s kind of definitive.

I didn't know you could check this. Just found the option now under play-by-by. Is it known to be accurate?

 

[Splits]

I thought Sacramento has the Spurs' '27 pick? I'm confused. Where has the Spurs' 2027 first round pick ended up?

Edit : Just saw on this page it's protected 1-16 OKC and 17-30 SAC. So who actually gets it? If it falls between 17-30, does that mean OKC gets it?



I didn't know you could check this. Just found the option now under play-by-by. Is it known to be accurate?

yes OKC traded this year's #24 pick (Nique Clifford) to SAC for the Spurs pick top-16 protected. We traded the pick to SAC in the Fox deal