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Spurs are going to tread carefully this offseason to *add* to the chemistry of this locker room, not disrupt it.
Lame. Now watching Peterson and Kansas instead. And I'll def be keeping an eye on the Florida game, even though I personally don't think Haugh will be the pick tbh. Still like him as a prospect though.Ament’s not playing, I forgot he got injured as well. Watch the JJ vs Diop game instead
Also you gotta watch the Haugh game with me at 3.
You have to get past the age thing. The Spurs have drafted older prospects before. If age was treated as some hard filter, players like Tim Duncan or Manu probably would’ve been passed on. They’ve never been strictly locked into drafting the youngest possible player.Lame. Now watching Peterson and Kansas instead. And I'll def be keeping an eye on the Florida game, even though I personally don't think Haugh will be the pick tbh. Still like him as a prospect though.
It's not just the age thing though. If we do keep the pick, I think they'll go for a higher-upside player with more positional size, especially given our lack of interior beef on this team. Like I think they'd take Steinbach over Haugh if they were both on the board as Steinbach has the frame to add another 20 lbs of muscle comfortably. I think they'd prob take Karim Lopez over Haugh too honestly (assuming he interviews well) based on his frame. They might even take Quaintance over Haugh if it were between the two (though I wouldn't bank on this one). The only guy I'm confident they'd take Haugh over right now is Yaxel. A lot will depend on the combine and pre-draft workouts too obv. So while I like Haugh and would be happy with the pick, I'm predicting what MATFO will do, not what I'd do tbh.You have to get past the age thing. The Spurs have drafted older prospects before. If age was treated as some hard filter, players like Tim Duncan or Manu probably would’ve been passed on. They’ve never been strictly locked into drafting the youngest possible player.
They could just as easily lean toward players who are more ready to contribute instead of prospects who require several years of development. It’s also possible that in previous drafts the older prospects simply weren’t as talented, while this year’s group might be stronger in that range. The main point is that age alone probably isn’t the deciding factor.
And even if it was something they leaned toward in the past, the situation the Spurs are in now is different. The roster timeline, the competitive window, and the presence of Wemby all change the context of what types of players might make sense to bring in.
I think this is a good example of how people can fall in love with the idea of a player archetype instead of looking at the full picture. The argument keeps coming back to size. Because someone like Karim Lopez or Hannes is a few inches taller or carries a little more weight, the assumption becomes that they’re the better pick (Hannes isn’t even the same type of player as Haugh). Meanwhile a player like Thomas Haugh gets dismissed early because he doesn’t check that exact size box.It's not just the age thing though. If we do keep the pick, I think they'll go for a higher-upside player with more positional size, especially given our lack of interior beef on this team. Like I think they'd take Steinbach over Haugh if they were both on the board as Steinbach has the frame to add another 20 lbs of muscle comfortably. I think they'd prob take Karim Lopez over Haugh too honestly (assuming he interviews well) based on his frame. They might even take Quaintance over Haugh if it were between the two (though I wouldn't bank on this one). The only guy I'm confident they'd take Haugh over right now is Yaxel. A lot will depend on the combine and pre-draft workouts too obv. So while I like Haugh and would be happy with the pick, I'm predicting what MATFO will do, not what I'd do tbh.
Personally the problem I have with Haugh is that I don't trust his shooting from 3: in college he shot 25.5% (12/47), 34% (35/103), 33.85 (52/154), total 32.6% (99/304). The high school stats I found are worse, 24% (17/72) in 19-20 and I couldn't find the rest. The relatively large sample, mechanics and age (23 by draft day) do not scream untapped potential and his free throw shooting is in the low 70s, which is good but not great. There's a lot to like in terms of off ball play and motor, but given his on ball and shooting limitations I'd be a lot more inclined to take him with a pick in the 20s than one in the lottery.Karim Lopez is a good example of that dynamic. His body of work leading up to the draft has been sub-par, yet a lot of the discussion centers around the flashes or highlights people have seen. Because he fits the size profile people want, the gaps start getting filled in with imagination about what he might eventually become. Meanwhile a player like Haugh, who actually shows a lot of the things people say they want from a Spurs-type player, ends up getting overlooked because he’s a few inches shorter or lighter… which is not totally confirmed, by the way, until the NBA Combine.
Yeah, just made one a little while after I started watchingHaugh looking mighty confident from 3… 3-5 from 3 so far.
Personally the problem I have with Haugh is that I don't trust his shooting from 3: in college he shot 25.5% (12/47), 34% (35/103), 33.85 (52/154), total 32.6% (99/304). The high school stats I found are worse, 24% (17/72) in 19-20 and I couldn't find the rest. The relatively large sample, mechanics and age (23 by draft day) do not scream untapped potential and his free throw shooting is in the low 70s, which is good but not great. There's a lot to like in terms of off ball play and motor, but given his on ball and shooting limitations I'd be a lot more inclined to take him with a pick in the 20s than one in the lottery.
I hope you watch the entire second half and drool at the possibility of having CB and Haugh out on the perimeter at the same time and straight up harassing opposing players next season. Notice how active Haugh is with his feet - it’s reminiscent of CB last night. It would be terrifying for other teams to have these two hound them. I just don’t know many other prospects other than Haugh who is capable of doing what he’s doing. Haugh is a freak athlete… that’s not an “upside” thing.Yeah, just made one a little while after I started watching![]()
When an older player is shooting that percentage on high volume, it at least shows he’s taken shots in a wide range of situations, movement, late clock, contested looks, different coverages. That gives a clearer picture of what the shot really is. With a younger player posting similar percentages on low volume, like Morez (@Ariel), there’s a lot more projection because they simply haven’t been tested as much. Because of that, it can actually be easier to envision the higher-volume shooter maintaining or improving than assuming a low-volume shooter will scale up successfully. Not to mention that Haugh has taken his “sub-par” shooting all the way to the NCAA Championship before so it’s proven that it’s not a hindrance to his team.Exactly. If Haugh weren't white, he'd be thought of as the sub par shooter he's always been, which is even more damning considering he's already 23. He also lacks strength.
It doesn't mean he can't become a rotation player in the league, but I don't see a fit here.
When an older player is shooting that percentage on high volume, it at least shows he’s taken shots in a wide range of situations, movement, late clock, contested looks, different coverages. That gives a clearer picture of what the shot really is. With a younger player posting similar percentages on low volume, like Morez (@Ariel), there’s a lot more projection because they simply haven’t been tested as much. Because of that, it can actually be easier to envision the higher-volume shooter maintaining or improving than assuming a low-volume shooter will scale up successfully. Not to mention that Haugh has taken his “sub-par” shooting all the way to the NCAA Championship before so it’s proven that it’s not a hindrance to his team.
I think that’s a pretty simplistic way to frame it, mainly because the word “old” gets used in two very different ways when people talk about prospects. One is about timeline fit with the core of the team, and the other is about perceived upside. In this case we’re clearly talking about the second one. Calling someone “old” is basically shorthand for saying people think there’s less growth left compared to younger prospects who might develop further.He's still old, scrawny and not a good shooter, which is not a good fit for this team at PF.
I'm not overly familiar with Florida's level of shooting/spacing from '25, but I do know the baseline of it is not the same as the NBA.
I think that’s a pretty simplistic way to frame it, mainly because the word “old” gets used in two very different ways when people talk about prospects. One is about timeline fit with the core of the team, and the other is about perceived upside. In this case we’re clearly talking about the second one. Calling someone “old” is basically shorthand for saying people think there’s less growth left compared to younger prospects who might develop further.
Also, I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but your proposed idea of what the Spurs need goes against a lot of the signals they’re actually sending out.
First, I think it’s worth clarifying that Haugh isn’t some Jeremy Sochan level shooter. He’s a capable one. The shot isn’t his defining skill, but it’s also not a glaring weakness where defenses can just completely ignore him.You're reading too much into it. It's fact that Haugh, at 23, has less runway and is therefore less likely to become a spacer than if he were 19-21.
After this season, this team will be in championship or bust mode. They have specific needs and should be looking to address them at this point.
First, I think it’s worth clarifying that Haugh isn’t some Jeremy Sochan level shooter. He’s a capable one. The shot isn’t his defining skill, but it’s also not a glaring weakness where defenses can just completely ignore him.
Second, I’m actually glad the Spurs’ evaluation process seems to go beyond just looking for a big body who can shoot. Historically they’ve tended to move away from players who mainly provide one skill. You can see it in the types of players they’ve moved on from over time. Doug McDermott is a good example, an elite shooter but limited in other areas. The same goes for players like Patty Mills later in his tenure when his role became mostly scoring, immobile tweener bigs like Zach Collins, or guards like Tre Jones whose defensive value is mostly limited to guarding other point guards.
The pattern for the past several years has been a clear emphasis on versatility. Almost every move they’ve made and almost every comment coming out of the organization points in that direction. They’ve prioritized players who can defend multiple actions, move the ball, read the floor, and stay active within the system. When you look at it through that lens, what the Spurs “need” becomes a lot broader than simply finding a player with size who can shoot.
What do you view as the current biggest needs for the team that can be addressed via draft and who do you like within the spurs range (or can be reasonably obtained with draft capital) to address those needs?I didn't say he was. Sochan is a non shooter, Haugh is a poor one.
I also didn't suggest they should focus on a McDermott like specialist.
That was before they had a championship contender. Now they do, so the focus should and probably will shift to filling specific needs.