Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

They're gonna give SGA the MVP again so the point is moot but Wemby not finishing runner-up would be criminal.

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Sugus said:
Thanks! It's been a VERY welcome sight, because there's just no other play I want them to run heavily in the post-season.

I think many of us had that tantalizing "can you imagine a PnR with Wemby?!?" idea ever since he was drafted, and it really hasn't disappointed one bit ever since Fox and Wemby built up their chemistry. I've also seen some crazy reverse PnRs with Wemby as the ball-handler...... We're spoiled as fuck tbh :st-lol:
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I love that play, in concept, but Vic doesn’t set solid picks. I’ll bet at least 1/2 of those were pick slips,
 
Exstatic said:
I love that play, in concept, but Vic doesn’t set solid picks. I’ll bet at least 1/2 of those were pick slips,
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I used to want Vic to set stronger picks, but tbh, having watched teams hack the shit out of him off-ball all season long, I've grown to be content with his slipping, as it's seemingly a very conscious strategy to preserve his knees/legs healthy. We'll have to live with that, I guess, unless it somehow becomes a very exploitable flaw in a playoff series. I sure don't want to see assholes like Dort mauling Victor like he "fights through screens" on Jokic.

In any case, I don't think the strength of the pick is the key to a powerful Wemby PnR (though everything helps obviously); the combination of his rim-running threat and all our guards' ability to drive but also step back into a 3 makes it deadly enough as-is. If Fox can keep his floater game sharp through the postseason, it should be a pretty unstoppable weapon, which is why I was so eager for them to use it earlier in the season.

The only variable I'm really concerned about is our hot shooting going cold in the POs, allowing defenders to sag (knowing we'll gladly chuck and shoot ourselves out of games, like the game against the Knicks) and rendering the PnR much harder to execute. But I guess every team nowadays has that "weakness" potentially with the meta-reliance on 3's...
 
BatManu20 said:
They're gonna give SGA the MVP again so the point is moot but Wemby not finishing runner-up would be criminal.

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Look at luka’s numbers. Wemby had a great numbers but Luka’s numbers dwarfed wemby. I understand your opinion and its hard to accept it as a spurs fan, what more for a wemby fan like me, its really hard.

I thinking of conceding in the mvp race now. Maybe losing in the MVP race this season might put a fire to victor and make him go for it next season and more MVP’s in the future.
 
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Again, the MVP is a moving target, and it really depends on how the media wants to define it. If you are talking strictly valuable, Wemby has as strong a case as anyone. He is the entire Spurs offence and defence and it shown time and again that without him on the floor, the Spurs crumbles, despite having a reasonable backup in Kornet.

Jokic is another person who fits that, but he is not good on defence (great on offence though). His offence is once again all time great, but then I don't think he will hit the 65-game cut off.

Luka is coming on strong lately, and their team is incredibly weak outside of him. Lebron is miraculously coming alive close to the playoffs like he always does (*ahem* juice *cough*) but outside of them, the team is pretty weak. That said, the Lakers, despite being the 3rd seed in the West, is ranked 13th in Net Rating at +1.5, and they would be 38-32 if they were any other team that is not incredibly history-defyingly clutch that they are +7 in wins vs. expected wins, going 8-3 in games decided by 5 points or less. Pretty incredible. They were also on the wrong side of blowouts 9 times this year (20 or more points) and has an incredible +5.2 in FTA this year (only team to be top 3 in both FTA and OFTA).

SGA is doing great, and the Thunder are an incredible +11 in NetRtg. that said, the Thunder has a strong team, and the Net On/Off shows it.
 
I'm obviously biased but if Vic meets the 65 game threshold he is the MVP and the DPOTY to me.. His 2 way impact is bordering on unprecedented if it isn't already.. But SGA will get it.. OKC has the best record and while I don't love his game with the flopping he's putting up over 30 PPG.. That will be enough for the media to hand SGA his 2nd MVP with Vic getting a lot of votes. But still 2nd..
 
ambchang said:
Again, the MVP is a moving target, and it really depends on how the media wants to define it. If you are talking strictly valuable, Wemby has as strong a case as anyone. He is the entire Spurs offence and defence and it shown time and again that without him on the floor, the Spurs crumbles, despite having a reasonable backup in Kornet.

Jokic is another person who fits that, but he is not good on defence (great on offence though). His offence is once again all time great, but then I don't think he will hit the 65-game cut off.

Luka is coming on strong lately, and their team is incredibly weak outside of him. Lebron is miraculously coming alive close to the playoffs like he always does (*ahem* juice *cough*) but outside of them, the team is pretty weak. That said, the Lakers, despite being the 3rd seed in the West, is ranked 13th in Net Rating at +1.5, and they would be 38-32 if they were any other team that is not incredibly history-defyingly clutch that they are +7 in wins vs. expected wins, going 8-3 in games decided by 5 points or less. Pretty incredible. They were also on the wrong side of blowouts 9 times this year (20 or more points) and has an incredible +5.2 in FTA this year (only team to be top 3 in both FTA and OFTA).

SGA is doing great, and the Thunder are an incredible +11 in NetRtg. that said, the Thunder has a strong team, and the Net On/Off shows it.
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I have to push back on that a little:

Reaves is a 24/5/5 guy and Lebron is 21/7/6. In terms of numbers/efficiency they both easily eclipse the Spurs best players after Wemby (Fox & Castle). I am not saying I would rather have AR/LBJ (I like what we have), but they have both had awesome stretches this season.

Now that Lebron seems to be embracing a different role (becoming the most overqualified role player of all time) they look a lot better. If the defense can even be league average (a big ask) they will actually be a tough out.

I don't like their roster fit at all, it is definitely top heavy, but to say there isn't good talent after Luka is inaccurate imo. They have underachieved this season from my perspective and this recent stretch only proves that. Funny thing is, I actually think if you replaced Luka with Wemby on that roster they would've won a shit load more games. Wemby immediately makes their defensive metrics skyrocket (still lots of perimeter defense issues tho) and Luka's massive usage gets spread to Wemby & AR & Lebron who are all pretty efficient.
 
SGA is going to get MVP. Hopefully it will be a Robinson/olajuwon moment. SGA gets the MVP ceremony g1 of WCF Wemby then proceeds to destroy the Thunder and carries us to the Finals
 
ambchang said:
Luka is coming on strong lately, and their team is incredibly weak outside of him. Lebron is miraculously coming alive close to the playoffs like he always does (*ahem* juice *cough*) but outside of them, the team is pretty weak. That said, the Lakers, despite being the 3rd seed in the West, is ranked 13th in Net Rating at +1.5, and they would be 38-32 if they were any other team that is not incredibly history-defyingly clutch that they are +7 in wins vs. expected wins, going 8-3 in games decided by 5 points or less. Pretty incredible. They were also on the wrong side of blowouts 9 times this year (20 or more points) and has an incredible +5.2 in FTA this year (only team to be top 3 in both FTA and OFTA).
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A #3 seed that's much weaker than their record would indicate would be a great second round matchup for the Spurs.
 
i'm giving SGA 5% change to win the award. He's simply too far behind in terms of skill and performance. Yes he has the top team in the league, but nobody with a brain considers him the best player in the league.
 
Raven_ said:
i'm giving SGA 5% change to win the award. He's simply too far behind in terms of skill and performance. Yes he has the top team in the league, but nobody with a brain considers him the best player in the league.
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You should take that sentiment to Vegas, you could win a lot of money.
 
dn0774 said:
I have to push back on that a little:

Reaves is a 24/5/5 guy and Lebron is 21/7/6. In terms of numbers/efficiency they both easily eclipse the Spurs best players after Wemby (Fox & Castle). I am not saying I would rather have AR/LBJ (I like what we have), but they have both had awesome stretches this season.

Now that Lebron seems to be embracing a different role (becoming the most overqualified role player of all time) they look a lot better. If the defense can even be league average (a big ask) they will actually be a tough out.

I don't like their roster fit at all, it is definitely top heavy, but to say there isn't good talent after Luka is inaccurate imo. They have underachieved this season from my perspective and this recent stretch only proves that. Funny thing is, I actually think if you replaced Luka with Wemby on that roster they would've won a shit load more games. Wemby immediately makes their defensive metrics skyrocket (still lots of perimeter defense issues tho) and Luka's massive usage gets spread to Wemby & AR & Lebron who are all pretty efficient.
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Every player that play for the spurs who was traded from the other teams their stats went down playing for the spurs. Looks like they got nerfed playing for tha spurs.lmao
Example Derozan and Fox.
 
wEmBoY said:
Every player that play for the spurs who was traded from the other teams their stats went down playing for the spurs. Looks like they got nerfed playing for tha spurs.lmao
Example Derozan and Fox.
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That’s the price to be paid for having a deep, talented roster. Devin got to be a (nearly) 20 ppg scorer for a couple of years and we had 22 win seasons to show for it.

Fox playing unselfish team basketball for a winning squad is hopefully more rewarding for him than putting up big scoring numbers and making the play in. He is still shedding that Kangz stank.

It is an interesting anecdote that playing for the Spurs does seem to suppress some guys counting stats though.
 
wEmBoY said:
Every player that play for the spurs who was traded from the other teams their stats went down playing for the spurs. Looks like they got nerfed playing for tha spurs.lmao
Example Derozan and Fox.
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What were Fox and Derozan doing before coming here? What has Derozan done since leaving here?

Exactly.
 
wEmBoY said:
Every player that play for the spurs who was traded from the other teams their stats went down playing for the spurs. Looks like they got nerfed playing for tha spurs.lmao
Example Derozan and Fox.
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Derozan was/is a fucking bum before, during, and after his time here lmao
 
dn0774 said:
That’s the price to be paid for having a deep, talented roster. Devin got to be a (nearly) 20 ppg scorer for a couple of years and we had 22 win seasons to show for it.

Fox playing unselfish team basketball for a winning squad is hopefully more rewarding for him than putting up big scoring numbers and making the play in. He is still shedding that Kangz stank.

It is an interesting anecdote that playing for the Spurs does seem to suppress some guys counting stats though.
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Fox had sabonis in sacramento while he had wemby in san antonio thats the difference. If wemby and fox play for the kings for sure they win 50+games in sacramento.
 
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Neuromancer said:
What were Fox and Derozan doing before coming here? What has Derozan done since leaving here?

Exactly.
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Derozan led the raptors to 59 wins , top 8 in mvp and scored 27ppg (2016-2017season) before he was traded to spurs. And become a better player whe he left the spurs and play for the bulls.

The question is what did he achieve playing for spurs?
 
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Mugen said:
Lakers propaganda machine in full effect because Fatso is having a good March tbh.
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They're really trying to turn a 'player of the month' award into the outright MVP :st-lol: As if he didn't have a good March post-trade last season. Also, Lakers fans are getting cocky after this cute little run. Need some humbling but i'll feel dirty rooting for them in the upcoming 2 OKC games.
 
Kornet, poeltl, and diaw all got better stats after joining the spurs. Barnes stayed steady, maybe a bit better.

Conversely dejounte got worse. White got better.

Derozan was an all star before and after the spurs, led the league in 2PM after the spurs, made all nba second team twice and third team once, top 10 in mvp award share twice. 18th all time in points scored (21st when combined with aba stats), 12th all time in free throws made, has a decent chance to make the hall of fame, I’d say he’s top 150 all time all things considered. Nobody would ever call him a bum.
 
In short derozan and fox was nerfed when they join the spurs.lmao

I feel the same way for wemby i think he is being nerfed by the spurs. Maybe We will see the real wemby(stat wise) if he is on a different team.
 
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