Player The Uncertainty Realm of the Improved Jumpshot of Jeremy Sochan

[spurraider21]

his defense isn’t even good anymore and he’s never been an event creator on that end to begin with

Rebounding has fallen off

He’s toast

 

[2centsworth]

That we passed on Jalen Duren for this guy is still dumbfounding till this day. Of course Sam Presti added Jalen Williams 3 picks later.

 

[Kick-Stand]

If Sochan can't earn his way back into the rotation I hope the Spurs trade him before the deadline. I think there's a good junkyard dog kind of player in there who could show he's worth a real contract if he gets to a team he fits better on.

 

[Kick-Stand]

his defense isn’t even good anymore and he’s never been an event creator on that end to begin with

Rebounding has fallen off

He’s toast

Backcourt turnover leading to a dunk isn't an event?

 

[spurraider21]

If Sochan can't earn his way back into the rotation I hope the Spurs trade him before the deadline. I think there's a good junkyard dog kind of player in there who could show he's worth a real contract if he gets to a team he fits better on.

There’s an nba player in there somewhere. Hes playing worse right now than any point in his career

 

[spurraider21]

Backcourt turnover leading to a dunk isn't an event?

everyone has made a play at some point. Those strips off harden were awesome.

Just never with any regularity like Dejounte or something. Even when Murray was no longer clamping guys he would consistently force turnovers

 

[Kick-Stand]

everyone was made a play at some point. Those strips off harden were awesome.

Just never with any regularity like Dejounte or something. Even when Murray was no longer clamping guys he would consistently force turnovers

Sorry I meant Point Sochan backcourt turnover leading to the dunk

 

[Shmurs]

Dude, there's just no way a player with Sochan's physical tools isn't a draft pick at all. He's got the height, physical frame, and basic qualities to be a draft prospect, and that's not very arguable (which exactly of his metrics is not even "second-rounder" quality?).

Jeremy is about the billionth young player drafted for physical tools with the ever-pressing asterisk of "if he ever learns to shoot......", except he spectacularly failed at that portion, much more so than similar prospects who at least learn to be serviceable at it over time. Does that mean none of the prospects had business being drafted? Of course not - it just means you can't predict human progress or development in a linear, objective, or conclusive fashion.

You should also factor in that his looking worse this season isn't only his play in a vacuum -- the team around him has elevated, the expectations are higher, leashes are shorter and timelines accelerated. He could absolutely contribute to a team like last night's Atlanta, or tomorrow's Washington teams.

He was a plausible pick at the time but we have seen over a long sample that it was fool’s gold and he actually was never at any point a viable prospect.

You guys can parse this all you want but he was a guy who had no skills or talent 4 years ago and he’s still a guy with no skills or talent. Having no dignity and running around on D can give you good advanced metrics if you’re on a shitty tanking team. And here’s where we see the flaws in those metrics.

He’s not athletic, he’s one of the least intelligent players in the league, he has no basketball skills. This is not an NBA player. Again you can disagree but clutching pearls about it as if he obviously belongs in a league that has been wedging him out…go for it, fellas. I’m sure he’ll improve when he’s on the bulls for 50 games before he’s in China.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

the biggest red flag is that he's doing all of this in a contract year. How do you say you really want that second contract and then go M.I.A. like that?

 

[Ariel]

That we passed on Jalen Duren for this guy is still dumbfounding till this day. Of course Sam Presti added Jalen Williams 3 picks later.

Spurs really shot themselves in he foot in the 2021 (Primo) and 2022 (Sochan, Branham, Wesley) drafts, but as horrendous as that stretch was it's hard to envision the 2023, 2024 and 2025 drafts going better, so all I'll happily take that.

 

[koriwhat]

Sad to see it because I thought Sochan would have advanced over the years but the dude is nothing but an end of bencher with little value at this point. He looks lost when given even garbage minutes.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

 

[RC_Drunkford]

let's go shopping

https://twitter.com/x/status/2002484182824726769

 

[k....]

The Spurs should forget "if he ever learn to shoot". Last time they had Chip to teach Nephew. Now it is a gamble for the players themselves to train until they develop a reliable jumper

We just drafted stephon castle? If castle were known as even a passable shooter he goes number 1 to the hawks

 

[LeBowen]

We just drafted stephon castle? If castle were known as even a passable shooter he goes number 1 to the hawks

The difference between a bad shooter and a non shooter is bigger than the difference between a bad shooter and an elite shooter.

 

[Shmurs]

Castle hasn’t needed to “learn how to shoot” though. His mechanics are roughly the same as they were in college and they’re overall pretty sound. Sochan has literally had to learn shooting 101…and failed the course.

 

[dn0774]

If Sochan can't earn his way back into the rotation I hope the Spurs trade him before the deadline. I think there's a good junkyard dog kind of player in there who could show he's worth a real contract if he gets to a team he fits better on.

I felt that as well for awhile. I coped by telling myself if all else fails with his shooting and rim running/dunker spot possibilities at least he could fill a small niche role as a capably sized defensive stalwart who makes life hell for the other team with hustle and maybe offensive rebounding etc.

The problem is the quality that player archetype needs more than anything is elite effort level/motor. Sochan's effort this season has been shockingly underwhelming. If his agent isn't telling him that his next contract is likely a 1 year "prove it" deal and that he could be out of the NBA in 2-3 years then he should be fired.

I think the "dialog" with the Spurs on a possible extension went so poorly that Sochan is completely anxiety ridden at this point by it all. He probably thought worst case scenario he would get a Keldon type deal, not accounting for the fact that he showed nowhere near what Keldon did nor the new cap environment that teams have adjusted to. For Sochan's sake, I legitimately hope he has been smart with his money these last few years.

 

[Seventyniner]

I was also on the Sochan cope train for a long time. Too bad his improvement last year turned out to be a mirage.

I still think he can stick around the league as a low-end rotational player if he gets his attitude and training right, just not on the Spurs as Mitch has the team rolling without him.

 

[poopbox]

I felt that as well for awhile. I coped by telling myself if all else fails with his shooting and rim running/dunker spot possibilities at least he could fill a small niche role as a capably sized defensive stalwart who makes life hell for the other team with hustle and maybe offensive rebounding etc.

The problem is the quality that player archetype needs more than anything is elite effort level/motor. Sochan's effort this season has been shockingly underwhelming. If his agent isn't telling him that his next contract is likely a 1 year "prove it" deal and that he could be out of the NBA in 2-3 years then he should be fired.

I think the "dialog" with the Spurs on a possible extension went so poorly that Sochan is completely anxiety ridden at this point by it all. He probably thought worst case scenario he would get a Keldon type deal, not accounting for the fact that he showed nowhere near what Keldon did nor the new cap environment that teams have adjusted to. For Sochan's sake, I legitimately hope he has been smart with his money these last few years.

I think it was @scott who mentioned it and I am coming around to it as well. Sochan was a Pop project and isn't a Mitch project. He also isn't a Sweeney project. Pop seemed very vested in Jeremy and Mitch seems to only be as vested as he can help us win games which the majority of the time he can't.

I'm sure he will still get a few 1 or 2 year 5 million dollar salary floor on a bad team type of deals but I'd be shocked if he was ever getting minutes on a winning team.

 

[dn0774]

I think it was @scott who mentioned it and I am coming around to it as well. Sochan was a Pop project and isn't a Mitch project. He also isn't a Sweeney project. Pop seemed very vested in Jeremy and Mitch seems to only be as vested as he can help us win games which the majority of the time he can't.

I'm sure he will still get a few 1 or 2 year 5 million dollar salary floor on a bad team type of deals but I'd be shocked if he was ever getting minutes on a winning team.

Yea, that tracks. Wasn't Sidy Cissoko in that group of Pop's projects? I remember Pop had a quote along the lines of "Sidy's going to be in the Spurs program for a long time". 6 months and 1 unfortunate health event later and he was a throw in to make the math work on a trade.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Yea, that tracks. Wasn't Sidy Cissoko in that group of Pop's projects? I remember Pop had a quote along the lines of "Sidy's going to be in the Spurs program for a long time". 6 months and 1 unfortunate health event later and he was a throw in to make the math work on a trade.

Pop also thought Mason Plumlee was better than Bam Adebayo and Bryn Forbes is Steph Curry 2.0. I'm glad he's not coaching this team anymore.

 

[Kick-Stand]

I think the "dialog" with the Spurs on a possible extension went so poorly that Sochan is completely anxiety ridden at this point by it all. He probably thought worst case scenario he would get a Keldon type deal, not accounting for the fact that he showed nowhere near what Keldon did nor the new cap environment that teams have adjusted to. For Sochan's sake, I legitimately hope he has been smart with his money these last few years.

Oh man if his agent was blowing smoke up his ass that he would get a Keldon level deal under this current CBA he should be fired. Myles Turner, a proven starting level vet in his prime with a super desirable skillset, signed for about 16% of the cap. Keldon's deal was for around 14% of the cap IIRC. Keldon has been playing amazing and if he continues at the same level until summer 2027 he still won't get that kind of offer again.

 

[Splits]

Oh man if his agent was blowing smoke up his ass that he would get a Keldon level deal under this current CBA he should be fired. Myles Turner, a proven starting level vet in his prime with a super desirable skillset, signed for about 16% of the cap. Keldon's deal was for around 14% of the cap IIRC. Keldon has been playing amazing and if he continues at the same level until summer 2027 he still won't get that kind of offer again.

plenty of talking heads on the podcast circuit and many posters here over the summer were predicting 4/$60-80 extension for Sochan, so it wouldn't surprise me if he thought he was in that ballpark

 

[SpursFan86]

Highly doubt we’re able to “net a real difference” maker in exchange for Sochan Unless we attach some actually valuable draft capital along with it.

If some team out there wants to bet on him turning things around then I’d jump all over that…just seems unlikely.

 

[ginobilized]

Yabusele and Sochan might be be an interesting and worthwhile swap? Both could use a fresh start and Sochan is an expiring. Yabu's passing, rebounding and small ball center possibilities might fit. Certainly seems like an upgrade over Sochan.