Player The Uncertainty Realm of the Improved Jumpshot of Jeremy Sochan

Sochan got no minutes. I think the resurgence of Castle and Harper just means Mitch has to play players to cover their weaknesses. And Sochan doesn't help.
 
Damn, It looks so over for him. Not just about his Spurs future, but his very place in the league might be in real jeopardy. Sochan is going to be at the mercy of a bad, rebuilding team "taking a flyer on him" scenario (Nets, Jazz etc)
 
scott said:
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Such copium. When your only excuse is that he has to be spoon fed by Wemby to play well shows he’s not good to begin with. Meanwhile, the other two in the friendship crew, Keldon and Dev despite their limitations, have figured out their roles on the team. Sochan just sucks and I can’t wait to be rid of his delusional fans even more than the thought of getting rid of him.
 
Have to give credit for daring to DNP Sochan :st-lol:
Last year Mitch also DNP Wesley and Makalai lol.

These 3 might still be getting rotation mins if Pop is the coach
 
Couldn't risk playing him I guess. I think he could have helped on defense, but the offense might not have gone well, so that's probably why Mitch didn't play him.
 
JEREMY SOCHAN THE POSTMORTUM

- Big 12 backup big men should never be lottery picks.
- The Hall of Fame coach who drafted him was not in his prime; he was more of a teacher than a dominant coach at that point. AKA, Professor Pop, Dean of Pfizer College Distance Education for Citizenship and Political Social Justice. AKA, "it’s only basketball".
- A poor shooter joined the Spurs organization just as they parted ways with elite shooting coach Chip Engelland.
The coach gets hired by OKC, which became the champions and a dominant force in the NBA, thanks in no small part to their above-average shooting.
- He Never Stood a Chance

Jeremy Sochan never should have been drafted in the lottery. He was a one-and-done backup on a questionable Big 12 team, not a blue-chip prospect by any stretch. Brian Wright completely missed on that entire draft class, though the two non-lottery picks have ended up in a good spot with their new teams after leaving the Spurs, as they are better than Sochan in every meaningful basketball metric. What the scouting team was thinking on this one, we’ll never know.

Pop wasn’t anywhere near the coach he was when he had the Big 3. He was deep into one of the strangest phases of his life, its a mystery how he got there. Was it just aging? Losing his wife at such an advanced age? Was it TRUMP? Who knows. The result was PROFESSOR POP, not GIVE ME some NASTY POP. This is a man who, despite his “it’s only basketball” rhetoric, fired a head coach who had essentially back-to-back 60-win seasons and deep playoff runs. THIS POP was a competitive, chip-on-his-shoulder guy who believed he was better suited to lead an NBA franchise as both head coach and GM? That’s ambition. "Its only basketball"? MY ASS!!!

Jeremy, a backup big on a Big 12 team, was a terrible shooter in college. When he arrived at the Spurs Chip Engelland was in the midst of working with the so-called “PAFTO” on his future, ultimately realizing that whatever he wanted, PATFO wasn’t willing to provide. They parted ways, and it’s been reported that POP was never entirely sure what Chip actually did. Maybe that was part of Pop’s humor? In retrospect, it seems like he didn’t understand Chip or his purpose with the Spurs, crediting Parker’s and Kawhi’s shooting improvements to other factors. When Jeremy came in and couldn’t shoot at all, and with no shooting coach around, Pop and his loyal assistant Brown tried to fix his shot by having him practice one-handed free throws, which ended up permanently ruining any chance he had of developing NBA-level shooting mechanics.

Oh, OKC, the team that brought in CHIP, turned into a lights-out shooting squad, which played a huge role in propelling them to new heights and ultimately an NBA title.

When you think about Coach Pop deciding in Victor’s rookie year to turn Sochan into a point guard, there wasn’t much that could be done to turn a decent athletic bench big from Baylor into a strong NBA player. He was basically a victim of circumstances out of his control. On top of that, he liked to dye his hair, earning the nickname “Rodman 2.0.” Rodman, of course, was the guy with the drive and heart to make the Hall of Fame, win five rings, be named Defensive Player of the Year twice, lead the league in rebounding seven times, and become a pop culture icon of the ’90s. He did this as a REBOUNDER.
Jeremy never stood a chance. Expectations were never going to be realized by reality. But hey, he’s the valedictorian of Pops Pfizer Distance Education College of Good Citizenship and Political Social Justice.
 
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Sochan issue on offense is he never developed a mid range game. His 3pt shooting is never going to be respectable, but if he had spent more time working on his mid range and inside game he would have value on the court on offense. As of right now he is only good for handoffs, and cuts to the basket. You feed him the ball and ball movement stops, he picks up his dribble players have to adjust and the whole offensive rhythm gets F'd up. It's no surprise the offense has taken a step up with his minutes reduced.

His defense is good enough to be out on the floor, his contribution on the other side is what is keeping him off.

Him getting minutes isn't going to turn the team defense to elite to compensate for his offense otherwise you play him.

He just isn't a good fit with this team unless he can find better ways to contribute on offense that requires teams not to sag off of him to be help defenders
 
Physically, he could have turn into something like KJ....attack the rim with his strength and big body and shoot the 3s when open. Play with heart on defense

But not sure what he has been doing this past 4 years
 
CrustyCoastBendFan said:
JEREMY SOCHAN THE POSTMORTUM

- Big 12 backup big men should never be lottery picks.
- The Hall of Fame coach who drafted him was not in his prime; he was more of a teacher than a dominant coach at that point. AKA, Professor Pop, Dean of Pfizer College Distance Education for Citizenship and Political Social Justice. AKA, "it’s only basketball".
- A poor shooter joined the Spurs organization just as they parted ways with elite shooting coach Chip Engelland.
The coach gets hired by OKC, which became the champions and a dominant force in the NBA, thanks in no small part to their above-average shooting.
- He Never Stood a Chance

Jeremy Sochan never should have been drafted in the lottery. He was a one-and-done backup on a questionable Big 12 team, not a blue-chip prospect by any stretch. Brian Wright completely missed on that entire draft class, though the two non-lottery picks have ended up in a good spot with their new teams after leaving the Spurs, as they are better than Sochan in every meaningful basketball metric. What the scouting team was thinking on this one, we’ll never know.

Pop wasn’t anywhere near the coach he was when he had the Big 3. He was deep into one of the strangest phases of his life, its a mystery how he got there. Was it just aging? Losing his wife at such an advanced age? Was it TRUMP? Who knows. The result was PROFESSOR POP, not GIVE ME some NASTY POP. This is a man who, despite his “it’s only basketball” rhetoric, fired a head coach who had essentially back-to-back 60-win seasons and deep playoff runs. THIS POP was a competitive, chip-on-his-shoulder guy who believed he was better suited to lead an NBA franchise as both head coach and GM? That’s ambition. "Its only basketball"? MY ASS!!!

Jeremy, a backup big on a Big 12 team, was a terrible shooter in college. When he arrived at the Spurs Chip Engelland was in the midst of working with the so-called “PAFTO” on his future, ultimately realizing that whatever he wanted, PATFO wasn’t willing to provide. They parted ways, and it’s been reported that POP was never entirely sure what Chip actually did. Maybe that was part of Pop’s humor? In retrospect, it seems like he didn’t understand Chip or his purpose with the Spurs, crediting Parker’s and Kawhi’s shooting improvements to other factors. When Jeremy came in and couldn’t shoot at all, and with no shooting coach around, Pop and his loyal assistant Brown tried to fix his shot by having him practice one-handed free throws, which ended up permanently ruining any chance he had of developing NBA-level shooting mechanics.

Oh, OKC, the team that brought in CHIP, turned into a lights-out shooting squad, which played a huge role in propelling them to new heights and ultimately an NBA title.

When you think about Coach Pop deciding in Victor’s rookie year to turn Sochan into a point guard, there wasn’t much that could be done to turn a decent athletic bench big from Baylor into a strong NBA player. He was basically a victim of circumstances out of his control. On top of that, he liked to dye his hair, earning the nickname “Rodman 2.0.” Rodman, of course, was the guy with the drive and heart to make the Hall of Fame, win five rings, be named Defensive Player of the Year twice, lead the league in rebounding seven times, and become a pop culture icon of the ’90s. He did this as a REBOUNDER.
Jeremy never stood a chance. Expectations were never going to be realized by reality. But hey, he’s the valedictorian of Pops Pfizer Distance Education College of Good Citizenship and Political Social Justice.
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I can’t understand how anyone, after watching the film and checking the stats, could think he was lottery-worthy. To me, he’s more of a late-20s pick, maybe slipping into the early second round. Even Jeremy’s athleticism was inconsistent—north, south, east, west—was A+ but even this guy admits he lacked verticality or explosiveness. He cherry-picked a “catch-and-shoot” stat to argue he could hit threes, but his mechanics might only have been fixable if Chip was on the team. Grabbing rebounds and running a decent fast break in the Big 12 doesn’t mean he had the handles to be a point forward or point guard. Comparing him to Boris Diaw shows he never actually understood Diaw’s game and lumping in Aaron Gordon as a comp makes me wonder what he was even looking at. Gordan is the very definition of verticality.

Regardless, even the most positive aspects of this cherry-picked Video are no longer whatever game Jeremy has after 4 years in CITIZENSHIP U under mostly Professor POP. When Victor arrived, Pop vowed to give him every chance to show his game. With Jeremy, though, it was like watching someone force a square peg into every round hole in sight—topping it all off with the bold, avant-garde decision to make him the starting point guard in Victor’s rookie season. That’s not coaching; that’s interpretive theater with a basketball.
 
Some have speculated that Sochan must've done something in practice to get benched, I have no idea if this is true. His play on the court has been very descriptive as to why he was benched in my mind. He doesn't seem to know what's going on on either side of the ball and is obviously being coached. When players are benched it's either a matchup/talent issue or an accountability issue. I'm sure that Jeremy has gotten many chances to play his role and there's no way that the coaches have not made their expectations clear. Maybe it wakes him up, but, I doubt it.
 
Man, this stinks. Looking back at his rookie year, I had high hopes for Jeremy. Even if he wasn't a star, I thought he'd at least be a very good role player. Hopefully he can somehow turn this around.
 
He just hasn't looked the same this year in the little that he has played. Its like he hesitates on every move, almost like he is trying to process the game but it happens too quickly for him to process. Maybe part of that is the speed at which we are playing this year. No room for slow processing when you have 3 guards that read the floor so quickly, gums up the offense.
 
At this rate he’ll be lucky to be in the NBA next season on a vet minimum. I’m shocked to see his game regress so dramatically. He was never a good player, but at least the defense looked really good at times in the past. Even that is gone now. This season he has been worse in almost every measurable way. I hope for his sake that he finds a path forward. It probably won’t be in San Antonio. We need to add a usable big forward or two.
 
Hopefully Clan the Spurs fan becomes Clan the Flying Tigers fan when Sochan eventually signs with the Xinjiang Flying Tigers after not getting any NBA offers. Sochan will average 10 points and 5 rebounds with them and Clan will declare victory on how the Spurs were misusing Sochan.
 
All the blame goes 100% on Sochan. Anyone bringing up Pop in any way shape or form is just full of shit. Sochan came to Pop having absolutely no idea how to play basketball. He had no idea how to shoot a basketball or dribble a basketball or even where to be on the floor.

Pop played him at the 4 bc where else could he play. Then Pop decided the best way for Sochan to learn the game is to study the game like a point guard. Bc Sochan had literally no idea how to play basketball. So put Sochan in the PG room, have him film study, have him learn how to dribble, have him recognize defenses and soft spots in zones and how to run pick n rolls and where everyone should be on the court at all times.

Any positive play is 100% bc of Pop. It’s not his fault that Sochan has the bball IQ of a rock. Did Pop rush it a bit? Sure. But that’s only bc he knew his own time was limited. He gave Sochan tools only for Sochan to collapse his own building when it was time for him to run the project instead of Pop. Pop can’t hold guys hands and be like okay Sochan here’s what you have to do on offense when you see this switch every fucking play for Sochan in every fucking game he screws up in. At some point Sochan needs to accept accountability and with his goofy personality is it any wonder he didn’t?
 
the cope in this thread is quite heavy. There is no reason to overcomplicate things, Mitch can't coach so he will play the guys that perform in the safest manner. Mitch fully understands that his job depends on being a safe losing option instead of a high risk visionary attempting to build the best defensive team of all time. He has enough offensive talent at his disposal that he can coast his way to the WCF as long as wemby is healthy when the time comes. Just like for mamu, malaki and wesley the franchise has enough draft assets to address flaws, and doesn't need to work in players with questionable contract perspectives. Sochan's supposed lack of improvement as an excuse is quite ridicolous.
 
scott said:
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This can't be a real take. Even if Jeremy provides descent D, he's such a negative in other aspects that anybody else on the floor will provide more net value. Besides maybe chasing Luka around (who'll prob score at will anyway), what does jeremy offer over Harper, Castle, Keldon, Vassell, Champs, Barnes? Even Olynyk being the defensive lamp post he is provides necessary floor spacing for our slash first guards. Bryant can do the same chasing, is more athletic, and there's still hope in my heart when he lets a 3 fly that it may go in.

There's just no home for Jeremy here anymore, him + picks is a natural trade for another piece, though wonder if he even has any legitimate stock anymore given his performances this year.
 
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