NBA The Tanking Question

Does Tanking Need Fixing?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 55.6%
  • No

    Votes: 8 44.4%

  • Total voters
    18
Idea makes economic sense / rationality but will be shot down in the first hearing by the players' union. Maybe even by owners of small market teams.

I agree with you that losing in order to improve is a viable strategy across sport. Which is incentivized in the NBA by the draft lottery. But blatant tanking by nearly half the number of teams for a talent rich draft raises integrity questions that affect the image of a sport. What is the point of watching a Utah Jazz game after Feb 6 if all they do every year is to try to maximize their odds by sitting their best players. Multiply that by 14 and we have a severe problem.

So a reform is definitely necessary. Check my idea in the previous post on increasing draft lottery to 18 with some weights for play in teams for the top 4 pick odds. Plus protections not allowed except for top 4 and Top 18. And continuation of flattened odds. What could go wrong?
I kind of like that, because allowing other levels of protection gives the teams two payoffs. They can jump into the top 4 OR slide in under the top 8 or top 10 protection, and keep a pretty good pick. If they know it’s top 4 or bust,they may think twice. Even finishing in the top 4 is only a coin flip, 52%, to stay there, post lottery. How good of a pick do you really want to give the other team? It would also prevent shit like Dallas tanking the last week, and keeping that Top 10 pick that eventually became Lively, plus another pick.
 
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Ainge's plan is perfect if they finally get lucky (Jazz and Pacers are the only teams that never moved up in the lottery) and get a top3 pick.
George-Bailey-Markkanen-JJJ-Kessler is already a .500 team when everyone is healthy, if they get Dybantsa and he's the real deal, they'll be a top4 team in the West by 2028.
They’re already expensive before they’re good.
 
Total HOA President busybody Energy. Great research.
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This season has made clear that the tanking meta has gotten out of control, and absolutely requires addressing. No surprise that it's been Silver's major talking point through the ASG pressers - shit's bad.

But it's also been the league's own doing, so it's hard to feel sorry for them. Flattening the odds was, in hindsight, a terrible move - it both interfered with the "natural flow" of worst teams -> top picks which worked for decades, while also creating an even bigger incentive for middling teams to tank, as the "chance of a jump" increased exponentially. Therefore, teams that yesteryear would've dismissed the difference between a 10-14th pick and played on, are now heavily incentivized to lose games for the chance at a top-4 pick.

The second angular stone that propels the NBA to take hands on the matter is (Silver you spineless, stupid fuck!!) gambling. There is simply too much at stake in terms of "preserving integrity" with so much money on the line each night, you just can't have teams actively throwing games. We used to discuss "what is actually tanking" and this season showed why: the good tank is FO-moves-driven, the bad tank is coach-player driven. There is a big difference (once again, props to the Spurs FO playing their hand perfectly - trading out Dejounte, DWhite, and bottoming out "naturally", as opposed to the Jazz sitting Lauri in the 4th Q of close games).

The solution isn't as simple as reverting the odds... But it's a good start. I wouldn't overhaul the system personally, it's worked plenty well for years. But change is coming - that much is obvious with all this rumbling.

Above all, I'm real thankful the Spurs got it out of the way before this shit-show fully came to be. Change whatever now, we got ours :st-lol::st-tu:
 
Ainge's plan is perfect if they finally get lucky (Jazz and Pacers are the only teams that never moved up in the lottery) and get a top3 pick.
George-Bailey-Markkanen-JJJ-Kessler is already a .500 team when everyone is healthy, if they get Dybantsa and he's the real deal, they'll be a top4 team in the West by 2028.
They'll be a top team NEXT YEAR. Keyonte Markkannen JJJ Ace is already an insane core
 
The version of the NBA that silver promotes is one based on style over substance, highlights over actually watching games, and stars over team play, and in general vibes over any sort of intensity that might generate fan interest. I think the lameness of the All-Star game is a result of this vision of the NBA that the league promotes.


I do think the excessive three-point shooting adds to the lack of interest and intensity.


I also think the tanking contributes to the lack of interest and intensity.

If we're just spitballing ideas, instead of wheels and complicated algorithms, I just like the idea that a team can't be in the lottery 4 years in a row.

As far as the three-point shooting, my dumb idea is just to not have any three-point shooting in the first half and then let people shoot in the second half if they're trying to catch up.
 
You certainly don’t speak for everyone. Some of this tanking is egregious and I don’t care for it.
You don't need to look any further than Silver admitting he's been brought at least 10 different proposals from NBA teams to tackle the tanking epidemic.

It's obviously a big focus of the league, as it should be. The entire league's integrity is at play here - even winning teams'. Who cares about a 70-win season if 30 of those came against teams actively throwing games in the 4th? I wouldn't want Wemby getting his MVPs like that, nor should anyone.
 
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