Player The Refurbished Budget Wine Cellar of Julian Champagnie

[SpursBills]

Is there a maximum amount that a contract can be frontloaded? With his continued development and his valuable archetype, I'm starting to wonder whether it might be a better idea just to frontload the shit out of his new contract next year while the Spurs still have cap room rather than try and get an expensive free agent who might not get playing time with the roster sort of locked in for next year.

 

[LeBowen]

Is there a maximum amount that a contract can be frontloaded? With his continued development and his valuable archetype, I'm starting to wonder whether it might be a better idea just to frontload the shit out of his new contract next year while the Spurs still have cap room rather than try and get an expensive free agent who might not get playing time with the roster sort of locked in for next year.

We talked about it many times already. Decline his option and get his frontloaded extension started early while we don't have cap issues.
I think 8% is the number.
As in the salary can't be lowered by more than 8% from the first year salary in each subsequent year.
100%-92%-84%-76% of the 1st year salary for a 4 year contract.

Champ has probably played himself into that $13M to $16M range.
But he also hasn't made any serious money and I think his priority is to secure the bag. And he said multiple times he'd like to stay.

Something like $50M/4 frontloaded deal seems fair.
$14-13-12-11M per year sounds fair considering his improved consistency and rebounding ability.


He got the permanent starting role exactly 30 games ago.
13/6, 42% from 3pt on 7 attempts.

 

[pad300]

I think you chuck quite a bit more money at him than that - the projected MLE is $15.1M ...

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I figure that between Champ and Barnes, there's about $22-23 million tied up (~19M to Barnes and ~3M to Champ, this year). I'd be try to get both of them in that $22M space next year. Champ on $19M -17.5 - 16 - 14.5, and Barnes on $3M - 3 - 3 (team option).

 

[Mugen]

We talked about it many times already. Decline his option and get his frontloaded extension started early while we don't have cap issues.
I think 8% is the number.
As in the salary can't be lowered by more than 8% from the first year salary in each subsequent year.
100%-92%-84%-76% of the 1st year salary for a 4 year contract.

Champ has probably played himself into that $13M to $16M range.
But he also hasn't made any serious money and I think his priority is to secure the bag. And he said multiple times he'd like to stay.

Something like $50M/4 frontloaded deal seems fair.
$14-13-12-11M per year sounds fair considering his improved consistency and rebounding ability.


He got the permanent starting role exactly 30 games ago.
13/6, 42% from 3pt on 7 attempts.

I think he'll probably push for a 3 year so he can hit the market during his absolute prime years. But the above is in line with Isiaha Joe's deal which is fair value for him, maybe a slight raise. Something like 42mil over 3 years frontloaded.

 

[LeBowen]

I think he'll probably push for a 3 year so he can hit the market during his absolute prime years. But the above is in line with Isiaha Joe's deal which is fair value for him, maybe a slight raise. Something like 42mil over 3 years frontloaded.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm hoping for a 4 year deal since he said he really wants to stay and compete with these guys.
Since you mention Joe, it's hillarious that both of them were cut by the Sixers.

 

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[Silver&Black Warrior]

THIS IS A GREAT NAME FOR THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE OF THE BEST OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Quentin_Compson]

Another really good game from Champagnie last night against the Rockets. Shot the ball well, rebounded and defended adequately and even threw in 4 assists without turning the ball over once.

 

[CGD]

This was interesting:

“As Gozlan writes, the maximum the 24-year-old could receive on an extension would be $87MM over four years. Gozlan suggests a four-year deal in the $75-76MM range could be a reasonable compromise for both sides.”

And-Ones: Extensions, Draft Sleepers, Edwards, Partizan

What could a veteran extension look like for Spurs wing Julian Champagnie? That + more from around the basketball world.

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[DAF86]

This was interesting:

“As Gozlan writes, the maximum the 24-year-old could receive on an extension would be $87MM over four years. Gozlan suggests a four-year deal in the $75-76MM range could be a reasonable compromise for both sides.”

And-Ones: Extensions, Draft Sleepers, Edwards, Partizan

What could a veteran extension look like for Spurs wing Julian Champagnie? That + more from around the basketball world.

www.hoopsrumors.com

So, around 19 millions per year. I have no idea what % of the cap that would be, but it sounds expensive. If we want to pay all of Wemby, Harper and Castle, I don't know how much we can afford to pay the role players. I'm sure the Front Office already did the math, projecting the max to our guys in rookie contracts. Finding cheap role players is the key in this new NBA, tbh.

 

[DAF86]

I did some research and apparently the cap is at around 155 millions.

-Wemby is expected to make around 50 to 60 millions per year.

-I don't know about Castle and Harper but I suppose it will be around 40 to 50.

So, resigning all those 3 guys would already have us fucked. Somebody that knows more about these things, please tell me if I'm right or way off.

 

[Splits]

I did some research and apparently the cap is at around 155 millions.

-Wemby is expected to make around 50 to 60 millions per year.

-I don't know about Castle and Harper but I suppose it will be around 40 to 50.

So, resigning all those 3 guys would already have us fucked. Somebody that knows more about these things, please tell me if I'm right or way off.

you need to be looking at the luxury tax, not salary cap. Next year the luxury tax is project to be around $200m with ~9% increases each year. So while keeping Fox is probably unlikely past 27-28 season, otherwise it will be manageable if Castle/Harper average $45m/year.

OKC is a team that has problems next year, no way they can bring back Hartenstein/Dort/Kenrich Williams (all have team options) without blowing through the 2nd apron and paying 1/2 a billion in tax

 

[DAF86]

you need to be looking at the luxury tax, not salary cap. Next year the luxury tax is project to be around $200m with ~9% increases each year. So while keeping Fox is probably unlikely past 27-28 season, otherwise it will be manageable if Castle/Harper average $45m/year.

OKC is a team that has problems next year, no way they can bring back Hartenstein/Dort/Kenrich Williams (all have team options) without blowing through the 2nd apron and paying 1/2 a billion in tax

If the top is 200, with Wemby at 60 and Castle/Harper combined at 90, that leaves you with 50 millions to fill out the rest of the roster. No way you can pay Champ 19 millions per year under that scenario.

It really seems like this new CBA makes you choose between 2 max guys and decent role players, or 3 max guys and a bunch of rookies/vet minimum players.

 

[Mugen]

19mil/year would likely be too rich for Champ. If he can get that in the open market then good for him (it's definitely possible) tbh.

 

[Splits]

If the top is 200, with Wemby at 60 and Castle/Harper combined at 90, that leaves you with 50 millions to fill out the rest of the roster. No way you can pay Champ 19 millions per year under that scenario.

It really seems like this new CBA makes you choose between 2 max guys and decent role players, or 3 max guys and a bunch of rookies/vet minimum players.

It increases 9% per year, so in 27-28 it will be around 220, then around 240 the next season, etc. Wemby won't start his max until 27-28, Castle the next year, Harper the year after when it will be at least 260. CBA expires after the 2030 season, so impossible to say where we'll be by then

 

[Exstatic]

I did some research and apparently the cap is at around 155 millions.

-Wemby is expected to make around 50 to 60 millions per year.

-I don't know about Castle and Harper but I suppose it will be around 40 to 50.

So, resigning all those 3 guys would already have us fucked. Somebody that knows more about these things, please tell me if I'm right or way off.

You’re probably a little high on those numbers.we can probably keep all three,but putting and keeping players around them is going to be a problem

 

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2034628135019331656

 

[Seventyniner]

Julian and Devin getting their flowers here, though this video is over a week old. The post ASB 3PT% stats for those two are insane.

The first comment is something I never knew.

Fun fact: the league always wanted McClung in the dunk contest. To do that, they wanted him on someone’s 15 man roster, and he’s barely a borderline NBA player. He’s played 10 NBA games, ever.Julian Champagnie was cut to make roster room for McClung to be in the 2023 dunk contest.

The Process must include giving away good players even when the deliberate tanking is over!

 

[Exstatic]

Julian and Devin getting their flowers here, though this video is over a week old. The post ASB 3PT% stats for those two are insane.

The first comment is something I never knew.



The Process must include giving away good players even when the deliberate tanking is over!

They waived Julian so they could help out the NBA by signing Mac McClung so he could be on an NBA roster for that year’s dunk contest.

 

[dn0774]

Any guesses on what Champs contract could look like coming up? Think we tear up his team option for next year and get him real money earlier but on a slightly team friendly deal? If he makes some noise in the playoffs that could impact it as well.

 

[spurraider21]

Any guesses on what Champs contract could look like coming up? Think we tear up his team option for next year and get him real money earlier but on a slightly team friendly deal? If he makes some noise in the playoffs that could impact it as well.

he is owed 3 mil next year. assume for sake of argument market rate is 3/40. you tear up his deal and pay him 4/45 instead or something like that

so you bake the 3mil team option into negotiations on the new contract

 

[buttsR4rebounding]

I used to think the same way. In fact I really wanted them to decline the 4th year option last summer and sign the extension before this season which I felt would be a breakout season. However, with the likelihood of an expansion draft in 2 years you would likely be guaranteeing the Champ gets taken by Vegas or Seattle. I don’t see that he will be one of the protected 8. So as I see it the only way to keep him is to let him play out his contract and become a FA. As I understand the expansion draft rules only players currently under contract can be exposed to the expansion draft. Then sign him to a deal approximating FMV. Quite honestly I think Champ is going to be a victim of the Spurs success. If the Spurs do work a deal this year I believe it indicates that they plan to leave Fox unprotected figuring an expansion team will see better value elsewhere or as a way to move Harper into the SL.

 

[buttsR4rebounding]

Another strategy that is more risky and much less likely because of the Kawhi/Balmer salary cap circumvention is to agree to the total money of the extension, decline his final year and sign him to a 1 year deal for a huge raise then after the ED sign him to the remainder of the agreed upon total. Of course, this risks him not honoring the deal or the NBA saying it was being done to circumvent the rules. Although I don’t know if expansion draft circumvention is against the rules.

 

[Ice009]

They waived Julian so they could help out the NBA by signing Mac McClung so he could be on an NBA roster for that year’s dunk contest.

Wow, that's crazy. So the Spurs only got him because the NBA wanted McClung on a roster and Philly waived him to make room? I wonder if Philadelphia thought he'd be a good player or didn't have a problem waiving him. I haven't looked at Julian's stats, wonder if he gets up for the games against Philadelphia.

Has it been said when the expansion draft is supposed to be? It's not set yet when that will happen, is it?

 

[Exstatic]

Wow, that's crazy. So the Spurs only got him because the NBA wanted McClung on a roster and Philly waived him to make room? I wonder if Philadelphia thought he'd be a good player or didn't have a problem waiving him. I haven't looked at Julian's stats, wonder if he gets up for the games against Philadelphia.

Has it been said when the expansion draft is supposed to be? It's not set yet when that will happen, is it?

He played 7 minutes in two games, missed one three pointer and had a steal. I think he would hold no grudge for them releasing him, and creating his opportunity here.