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[NotoriousHOP]

One of the subplots for the season relates to Black Falcon. Will he make it through the entire season or will he be traded at the deadline? He's a valuable locker room presence, a good shooter, and has length at a position of need but does he fall victim to "the timeline" train of thought?

Your thoughts? Trade, stay or extend?

 

[Shmurs]

Barnes fits on any timeline. I’d like to see a reduction in his next contract, though. And I’d prefer him as a 7/8 but he’s our best wing at the moment so he needs to keep starting.

But increasing wing depth, decreasing his pay…that’s the sweet spot.

 

[Kick-Stand]

I'd like to extend him two more years to ensure the team will always get some shooting out of the SF/PF position without hurting their ability to sign Castle or Harper when their paydays come.

 

[LeBowen]

As I said when he joined, I want him to be Finley 2.0.
Give him a let's say 24/3 extension next summer. He isn't even that old, those would be his age 34-36 seasons.
One of the best locker room presences in the league and a model professional. If we let him go, we'll need to find someone similar to lead this bunch of kids for a couple more years.

 

[spurs10]

I'm grateful for HB and think he's our best wing. Hope he sticks around!

 

[Ariel]

The skill set and off court presence is probably more valuable to the Spurs than anything they can get for him, so yeah, the more likely outcome is re-signing (not extending) for a much reduced salary. Especially with this roster construction, you need off ball forwards and wings who can stretch the floor. However, if his contract is necessary in any trade for a long term difference maker, Spurs should do it. Barnes isn't going to be the difference between winning a title or not, and you can get a replacement for a lot of what he does without much difficulty (in fact Olynyk probably could do a lot of that as well). In short: probably stays long term, but Spurs shouldn't overvalue his role.

 

[LeBowen]

you can get a replacement for a lot of what he does without much difficulty

Can we?
Barnes just shot 6% better from 3pt than any other regular rotation member, he was our only elite shooter. Everyone else was inconsistent.
Not to mention that second and third most efficent 3pt shooters, CP3 and Mamu, left.
We made serious improvement at C, but I don't think 34 year old Olynyk has the legs to play at PF unless we're up against big lineups.
Harper and Bryant aren't coming as reliable shooters, the less said about Keldon's and especially Jeremy's shooting, the better.

To put things into perspective, if we look at 24-25 totals for wings (6'6-6'10) with at least 2000 minutes played and 3pt% higher than 40% the list is:
Taurean Prince
Harrison Barnes
KD
Hachimura
Dort
DFS
O'Neale

That's 7 wings in the entire league.

 

[Ariel]

Can we?
Barnes just shot 6% better from 3pt than any other regular rotation member, he was our only elite shooter. Everyone else was inconsistent.
Not to mention that second and third most efficent 3pt shooters, CP3 and Mamu, left.
We made serious improvement at C, but I don't think 34 year old Olynyk has the legs to play at PF unless we're up against big lineups.
Harper and Bryant aren't coming as reliable shooters, the less said about Keldon's and especially Jeremy's shooting, the better.

To put things into perspective, if we look at 24-25 totals for wings (6'6-6'10) with at least 2000 minutes played and 3pt% higher than 40% the list is:
Taurean Prince
Harrison Barnes
KD
Hachimura
Dort
DFS
O'Neale

That's 7 wings in the entire league.

His 3 pt shooting numbers last season were a career high but his average is 38.5% and, more generally, you can't assume he's going to be as productive going forward as he was last season, he'll be about 33 and a half years by the start of the season so if anything he should be trending down (probably mildly), not up.

Bottom line, valuing something at its all time high is not a good practice and not even 25/26 Barnes guarantees 24/25 Barnes production, but I think you can probably get comparable production (to what you can reasonably assume he'd provide next season) if you had to. If the right deal comes along where you need expiring salary filler, yeah, I'm willing to use Barnes if I have to.

 

[scott]

He's been a model teammate and has given so much to the community in his short time with the team. A Spur in every sense of the word. I hope he'll be willing to extend on a modest deal to finish out his career, and if he is interested in coaching/FO roles, the Spurs are probably able and willing to facilitate that kind of long term goal for him, as we have with other guys in the past.

I think he'll still be a contributor for us this year, this man takes care of his body and while he has his limitations on the boards and defensive end, I don't necessarily see him slowing down for now. At some point, however, he'll need to transition to a bench role and then eventually move further down the bench. Kind of like Dougy McBuckets when he was here (though his transition to end of bench guy and then to trade fodder was a rapid one).

I could definitely see Black Falcon, Lunch Lady, Swipa and KornDog forming a modern version of the Coffee Gang.

 

[LeBowen]

His 3 pt shooting numbers last season were a career high but his average is 38.5% and, more generally, you can't assume he's going to be as productive going forward as he was last season, he'll be about 33 and a half years by the start of the season so if anything he should be trending down (probably mildly), not up.

Bottom line, valuing something at its all time high is not a good practice and not even 25/26 Barnes guarantees 24/25 Barnes production, but I think you can probably get comparable production (to what you can reasonably assume he'd provide next season) if you had to. If the right deal comes along where you need expiring salary filler, yeah, I'm willing to use Barnes if I have to.

Don't get me wrong, I'm trading him if it needs to be done to get a serious upgrade, it's just that I'd rather trade Keldon because even at his age Barnes offers what Keldon can't, consistency.

 

[spurraider21]

he's the only legit corner sniper on the roster right now, and has still shown the ability to get the occasional tough bucket with the shot clock winding down. can put the ball on the floor and pull up from short-midrange. he's limited defensively but at least he's not typically just unattentive and way out of position.

also just a great teammate and leader. i'd love to extend him as others have said. with that said, his contract is very tradeable if they go star shopping

 

[Ariel]

Don't get me wrong, I'm trading him if it needs to be done to get a serious upgrade, it's just that I'd rather trade Keldon because even at his age Barnes offers what Keldon can't, consistency.

Moving Keldon's contract would be much preferable and I value Barne's contributions especially to this flawed core, but Keldon is not expiring and sometimes that's what you need. If you need to come up with, say, 35M/40M in expiring matching salary, then Harrison Barnes is a must. It's him, Olynyk, and a few vet mins (I'm not counting Sochan as salary ballast, I'm not there yet).

 

[NotoriousHOP]

I think he is necessary this entire year, not only because of his professionalism and shooting, but also because we have two lotto picks coming in and they could benefit from a veteran who knows how to conduct himself. I think this especially true for Carter Bryant who could learn some of Barnes' combo forward tips and tricks.

 

[Ariel]

I think he is necessary this entire year, not only because of his professionalism and shooting, but also because we have two lotto picks coming in and they could benefit from a veteran who knows how to conduct himself. I think this especially true for Carter Bryant who could learn some of Barnes' combo forward tips and tricks.

Probably more necessary for Castle and Harper than Bryant, TBH. Fox too. Too many downhill guards, so losing the few spacing wings/forwards you have for sure would hurt. Carter Bryant sounds like a great kid and there's other character vets on the team, Barnes would certainly help but I don't think it'd be an issue even if he's gone (in terms of mentoring Carter Bryant).

 

[Shmurs]

I would pump the breaks on commenting on how helpful CP and Barnes were, as far as mentorship goes. The entire team except for Vic looked just as bumbling as they did the year before. There aren’t really any indicators that they made any kind of cultural impression. Still a very immature and unreliable group.

 

[spurs10]

He's been a model teammate and has given so much to the community in his short time with the team. A Spur in every sense of the word. I hope he'll be willing to extend on a modest deal to finish out his career, and if he is interested in coaching/FO roles, the Spurs are probably able and willing to facilitate that kind of long term goal for him, as we have with other guys in the past.

I think he'll still be a contributor for us this year, this man takes care of his body and while he has his limitations on the boards and defensive end, I don't necessarily see him slowing down for now. At some point, however, he'll need to transition to a bench role and then eventually move further down the bench. Kind of like Dougy McBuckets when he was here (though his transition to end of bench guy and then to trade fodder was a rapid one).

I could definitely see Black Falcon, Lunch Lady, Swipa and KornDog forming a modern version of the Coffee Gang.

Who is KornDog?

 

[scott]

Who is KornDog?

The Green Kornet
UniKornet
Luke Skyblocker
Block Godfather
Lucy the Bucktooth Beaver
BigShin32

our man... Luke Kornet

 

[Exstatic]

One of the subplots for the season relates to Black Falcon. Will he make it through the entire season or will he be traded at the deadline? He's a valuable locker room presence, a good shooter, and has length at a position of need but does he fall victim to "the timeline" train of thought?

Your thoughts? Trade, stay or extend?

No extension. I see him staying the year, and rolling off. That’ll happen a lot as the top picks get closer to contract #2.

 

[Exstatic]

Can we?
Barnes just shot 6% better from 3pt than any other regular rotation member, he was our only elite shooter. Everyone else was inconsistent.
Not to mention that second and third most efficent 3pt shooters, CP3 and Mamu, left.
We made serious improvement at C, but I don't think 34 year old Olynyk has the legs to play at PF unless we're up against big lineups.
Harper and Bryant aren't coming as reliable shooters, the less said about Keldon's and especially Jeremy's shooting, the better.

To put things into perspective, if we look at 24-25 totals for wings (6'6-6'10) with at least 2000 minutes played and 3pt% higher than 40% the list is:
Taurean Prince
Harrison Barnes
KD
Hachimura
Dort
DFS
O'Neale

That's 7 wings in the entire league.

I haven’t considered HB a wingin a couple of years. He’s a straight up PF in my mind,and even has trouble staying in front of quicker PFs. There’s also this thing called regression to the mean.

 

[TDomination]

I hope we are able to keep him and when the time comes to having to extend him that we do it at around 10mil/year.
He's an asset to the team, his BBIQ is the highest of the team i believe. As the team gets better, i believe his role will get better too.

Its like Diaw. He just needed the right group of players around him for him to really grow into his role. Hopefully HB can do that.

 

[spurs10]

Not that it will factor 'should I stay or should Igo,' but Harrison and his wife have done some wonderful things in the SA community. All the more reason I like him along with those buckets!

 

[Neuromancer]

Bro is going to get extended, retire here, and eventually join the organization's front office imo. He's just has *that* Spurs guy vibe to him

 

[jeebus]

Keep him. I know some dipshits over on reddit think to get rid of him and get a shooter, which makes zero sense given how well he shot, but he's a fucking stallion. Plays 82 games, keeps warmed up all game, shoots lights out, and should be even more comfortable as they wouldn't need him to help carry the offense at times like last year. Throw in the fact that he's a Spurs guy, and you can't lose him.

 

[bozhemoi]

Unc is gonna start. I wish we could do another year with him and Paul but there's no place for CP.

 

[Exstatic]

He’ll shoot under 40% this year. It’s not an accident that his career year coincided with the one year visit by the Point God.