Player The "It's My Time" Busted Clocktower of Devin Vassell

[onechance87]

think the castle-fox pairing isn't helping him and kj. ball is a bit stagnant and schemes predictable.

The excuses for vassell gotta stop.Hes just not a good player.Hes just being asked to hit open shots and play good d.
Pretty much easy stuff every player should do.

 

[Raven_]

The excuses for vassell gotta stop.Hes just not a good player.Hes just being asked to hit open shots and play good d.
Pretty much easy stuff every player should do.

he is not a spot up shooter and the two pg + french vanilla lineup is a killer for his D. Same for KJ, he is currently being asked to be more of the lanky sf type instead of his bullyball self, and i don't think it suits him either. Maybe they will figure it out during the season, but I see a slight change in their usage since fox showed up, and i don't think it is helping the team tbh.

 

[PanameSpur]

His hype is at its lowest, only fans who don't watch the Spurs seem interested...

Salary filler is his destiny

 

[ambchang]

He was looking ok for a while. And I know people will nail me to the tree of woe, but for what I recall (all memory and eye tests) both Vassell and keldon (even Barnes) look much better when wemby is parking his butt in the paint. wemby on the perimeter takes up so much space and the other players are lost without it. If we are to have wemby playing out at the 3 pt line we should be looking at players who do awesome pick and rolls or can score in the post.

The entire offence falls apart when wemby is out in the perimeter because spacing is difficult to work.

Now of course, they look bad (Vassell and keldon), or at least not that great, when wemby isn’t on the court at all.

 

[onechance87]

His hype is at its lowest, only fans who don't watch the Spurs seem interested...

Salary filler is his destiny

This guy described vassell perfect.He knows ball.

 

[scott]

If the Spurs sent Devin to the Lakers that would really tell you the Spurs do not think highly of Devin at all

 

[LeBowen]

If the Spurs sent Devin to the Lakers that would really tell you the Spurs do not think highly of Devin at all

I'd do Devin for Hachimura+filler right away, but they're not idiots.

I'd even do Devin for Vincent+Kleber just to clear cap space.

 

[spursparker9]

If we win....he is barely tolerable.

If we lose....he usually contribute to it.

 

[k....]

man giving vassel to luka , the best PG of the game by a long shot, would be a sure fire way to give Spursfans heartburn ff not bloody wrists.

 

[Shmurs]

He was looking ok for a while. And I know people will nail me to the tree of woe, but for what I recall (all memory and eye tests) both Vassell and wemby (even Barnes) look much better when wemby is parking his butt in the paint. wemby on the perimeter takes up so much space and the other players are lost without it. If we are to have wemby playing out at the 3 pt line we should be looking at players who do awesome pick and rolls or can score in the post.

The entire offence falls apart when wemby is out in the perimeter because spacing is difficult to work.

Now of course, they look bad (Vassell and keldon), or at least not that great, when wemby isn’t on the court at all.

Strange how this thread has everyone calling him low IQ. Don’t you find this strange? Isn’t it something how they aren’t providing statical evidence? What are we going to do about this. Certainly it cannot stand. Can you please bring some sanity to these people.

 

[ambchang]

Strange how this thread has everyone calling him low IQ. Don’t you find this strange? Isn’t it something how they aren’t providing statical evidence? What are we going to do about this. Certainly it cannot stand. Can you please bring some sanity to these people.

Yeah, he definitely is. Not more so than other role players around the league though. In fact I’ve been on the trade Vassell train for a year now.

He’s not dumber than MPJ though. And hachimura is not that smart either. But that’s basically the norm for role players, something you, despite claiming to be a long time watcher of the league, couldn’t figure out for some reason

 

[LeBowen]

He’s not dumber than MPJ though. And hachimura is not that smart either.

This is what gets me.
When listening to his interviews Devin seems like a smart enough guy for NBA player standards. More than smart enough to realize what's his current role and what he needs to do.
But it's like all of that evaporates as soon as he steps on the floor and a Kobe demon from his tattoo takes over.

I was onboard with giving friendship crew a chance in their first season with a competent roster, but it's already obvious we need to move on. I don't really believe in miracles that 4th/5th/6th year players will suddenly figure it out.
Keldon and Jeremy aren't negative assets because we can easily get rid of them, but with each passing game of stinking it up Devin is getting closer to negative asset territory and soon enough we'll be discussing how many picks we have to attach to get rid of him.

 

[Shmurs]

Yeah, he definitely is. Not more so than other role players around the league though. In fact I’ve been on the trade Vassell train for a year now.

He’s not dumber than MPJ though. And hachimura is not that smart either. But that’s basically the norm for role players, something you, despite claiming to be a long time watcher of the league, couldn’t figure out for some reason

Every national analyst would have Hachimura as higher IQ than all of these players. You are the only one who sees the truth. Because of your research. It’s a good thing you’re around.

 

[mikec]

And I know people will nail me to the tree of woe

A "tree of woe" reference. Excellent.

 

[ambchang]

This is what gets me.
When listening to his interviews Devin seems like a smart enough guy for NBA player standards. More than smart enough to realize what's his current role and what he needs to do.
But it's like all of that evaporates as soon as he steps on the floor and a Kobe demon from his tattoo takes over.

I was onboard with giving friendship crew a chance in their first season with a competent roster, but it's already obvious we need to move on. I don't really believe in miracles that 4th/5th/6th year players will suddenly figure it out.
Keldon and Jeremy aren't negative assets because we can easily get rid of them, but with each passing game of stinking it up Devin is getting closer to negative asset territory and soon enough we'll be discussing how many picks we have to attach to get rid of him.

I think there’s always be a market for someone like Vassell, someone who can somewhat create his shot (albeit inefficiently) and put the ball in the basket while leading your team to a 17-65 record. Now to your point, it’s likely not a $27 or even $24M Market. Vassell can theoretically be a very good bench scorer or 4th wheel on a decent team, but he just wants to take over at the most inopportune of times.

I’ve wanted him gone for a while and ate some crow early on, but he seems to have reverted back even before the two games vs the warriors.

The coaches have to put these players in their roles and make sure they adhere to them. If they don’t they are out.

Every national analyst would have Hachimura as higher IQ than all of these players. You are the only one who sees the truth. Because of your research. It’s a good thing you’re around.

So it’s generalities time now! Which national analyst saw hachimura as higher iq than Vassell, keldon and sochan? Was there a survey? I find it incredibly specific to have a comparison of these particular players where the national media wouldn’t give two shits over this much thought. I would love to see how the national media talks about hachi being smarter players than Vassell. Quote them.

I also heard from Mitch’s high school girl friends brothers babysitters uncles coworker that every GM would rate MPJ as having a higher bball iq than Jason Kidd.

 

[scott]

I think there’s always be a market for someone like Vassell, someone who can somewhat create his shot (albeit inefficiently) and put the ball in the basket while leading your team to a 17-65 record. Now to your point, it’s likely not a $27 or even $24M Market. Vassell can theoretically be a very good bench scorer or 4th wheel on a decent team, but he just wants to take over at the most inopportune of times.

I’ve wanted him gone for a while and ate some crow early on, but he seems to have reverted back even before the two games vs the warriors.

The coaches have to put these players in their roles and make sure they adhere to them. If they don’t they are out.


So it’s generalities time now! Which national analyst saw hachimura as higher iq than Vassell, keldon and sochan? Was there a survey? I find it incredibly specific to have a comparison of these particular players where the national media wouldn’t give two shits over this much thought. I would love to see how the national media talks about hachi being smarter players than Vassell. Quote them.

I also heard from Mitch’s high school girl friends brothers babysitters uncles coworker that every GM would rate MPJ as having a higher bball iq than Jason Kidd.

You have to use the BBIQ/36 metric on BBRef. Per game averages are skewed.

 

[NASpurs]

Tonight is the type of game where MC gets 24 and is "turning the corner"... while DeRozan gets 36 on him.

 

[Shmurs]

Devin is a talented player who is also a smart player. When you pair the talent with his IQ you are seeing the payoff with his counting stats and overall impact.

The best thing about Devin is his ability to process the game in ways that bring about his talents. He uses his raw ability to create separation allowing him to see the court and make the smart play. Often throwing precise lobs and eschewing a good shot for a great shot. Because Devin does not have issues with how he thinks.

Devin’s an obviously skilled player. His shooting, handle and athletic ability mean that he only needs to be mildly intelligent to have the impact on a game that you want from someone of his pedigree and pay. But it’s his IQ that makes him really go to the next level as a player I think we all agree is extracting all of the talent he was born with. Super smart. No issues processing. Everyone agrees and the stats back it up.

 

[Ariel]

I don't know how long we're going to keep telling ourselves that Vassell is necessary because of the spacing he provides, when he's a career 36.8% shooter from 3 and only once he shot better than 38%. Also, he's mediocre everywhere else and he makes 27 million. B-b-but he's on a descending contract!!! I swear the Spurs' FO needs a mountain of evidence before daring to make a decision, it's like their neurons move at a snail's pace when it comes to accepting reality, like some fans here. Hopefully an opportunity to move him comes across before everyone else in the league catches up.

 

[CrustyCoastBendFan]

He and his dent-headed short bus twin Keldon both went 0-for-4 from three tonight… and somehow still strutted off the court like they’d just won the championship.

 

[PanameSpur]

This is what gets me.
When listening to his interviews Devin seems like a smart enough guy for NBA player standards. More than smart enough to realize what's his current role and what he needs to do.
But it's like all of that evaporates as soon as he steps on the floor and a Kobe demon from his tattoo takes over.

I was onboard with giving friendship crew a chance in their first season with a competent roster, but it's already obvious we need to move on. I don't really believe in miracles that 4th/5th/6th year players will suddenly figure it out.
Keldon and Jeremy aren't negative assets because we can easily get rid of them, but with each passing game of stinking it up Devin is getting closer to negative asset territory and soon enough we'll be discussing how many picks we have to attach to get rid of him.

It's about character more than IQ sometimes.

I recall Jeff Teague keeping it 100 and telling what we rarely hear from former players, it's the jungle out there, even if they all smile and do PR.

Players from the same roster see each other's as competition, not a teammate you want to see shine. That's why Vassell will always call his number rather than pass it... when he can manage to make it llook like he had no choice bc risk of TO blabla

Only Pop managed to force him the 2nd part of Wemby's rookie season. I naively though he'd stay the same and work on his connection with Vic, but it just disappeared at the start of the following season.

Vassell strikes me as fake and cynical, he says the right thing but his body language says another.

He needs to be traded asap beyond basketball reasons.

 

[onechance87]

Now its really your time vassell

 

[gilmor2002]

It's about character more than IQ sometimes.

I recall Jeff Teague keeping it 100 and telling what we rarely hear from former players, it's the jungle out there, even if they all smile and do PR.

Players from the same roster see each other's as competition, not a teammate you want to see shine. That's why Vassell will always call his number rather than pass it... when he can manage to make it llook like he had no choice bc risk of TO blabla

Only Pop managed to force him the 2nd part of Wemby's rookie season. I naively though he'd stay the same and work on his connection with Vic, but it just disappeared at the start of the following season.

Vassell strikes me as fake and cynical, he says the right thing but his body language says another.

He needs to be traded asap beyond basketball reasons.

I think the same towards Vassell.. it's all bout himself.. and he lacks the finishing if either Fox or TP

 

[spursparker9]

Assell is now the 2nd option behind Fox... He gonna chuck up at least 18 shots I guess with low efficiency

 

[DAF86]

Why the fuck is this guy always leaning sideways when shooting? He would take the most wide ass open shot ever and he would still lean to the side. Why can't he go straight up like a normal person? It is a miracle he's an above average shooter with that hitch.