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[timtonymanu]

Barnes is dangerously close to acquiring "unplayable" status. He feels like another guy who the team collectively passed by. Too much of a defensive liability

If he’s back next year, it better be on a much cheaper contract and 3rd string vet role. No reason to keep him in the main rotation especially with CB making strides.

 

[tearsofmorningdew]

Barnes is dangerously close to acquiring "unplayable" status. He feels like another guy who the team collectively passed him by. Too much of a defensive liability

He’s been unplayable the entire calendar year. Get this idiot off the team

 

[BatManu20]

John Collins needs to be priority #1 in Free Agency this offseason as a Barnes replacement tbh. Might be time to take HB out to pasture.

 

[Quentin_Compson]

I for one am glad we have Barnes available for the upcoming playoffs. Young players, especially in their first like two years, tend to get really overrated by fan bases. It's natural, we see all the potential that might be. But who knows how playable Carter Bryant really will be in the postseason after having played maybe something like 850 minutes in the NBA? We should be thankful we have Barnes as an option - and I bet he will average more minutes in these playoffs than CB (doesn't necessarily have to mean this will be the right descision).

 

[tearsofmorningdew]

I for one am glad we have Barnes available for the upcoming playoffs. Young players, especially in their first like two years, tend to get really overrated by fan bases. It's natural, we see all the potential that might be. But who knows how playable Carter Bryant really will be in the postseason after having played maybe something like 850 minutes in the NBA? We should be thankful we have Barnes as an option - and I bet he will average more minutes in these playoffs than CB (doesn't necessarily have to mean this will be the right descision).

How playable is Barnes now? We had a running play by play where he was getting cooked in one way or another for multiple straight possessions on offense and defense.

He is a smart and thoughtful guy and probably good for the locker room but his play necessitates lindy waters type minutes.

 

[Quentin_Compson]

How playable is Barnes now? We had a running play by play where he was getting cooked in one way or another for multiple straight possessions on offense and defense.

He is a smart and thoughtful guy and probably good for the locker room but his play necessitates lindy waters type minutes.

I agree his defense is often problematic - but he will be someone who will provide spacing in the playoffs, and I doubt CB will do the same. Anyway, it will be situational, hopefully, how Mitch uses the two of them.

 

[spurraider21]

John Collins needs to be priority #1 in Free Agency this offseason as a Barnes replacement tbh. Might be time to take HB out to pasture.

 

[spursistan]

Don't really care, but this guy has fucked up our airtight team defense ever since he came back..Mitch Johnson need to sit his ass especially when our shooters are doing fine..He is leaking too much in penetration and rebounding..

 

[spurs3223]

I was just mentioning on another post that I could see Barnes having a playoff-redemption arc where he sinks some big buckets and doesn't make mistakes in high stakes moments. But tbh I can also see him becoming virtually unplayable if that 3 isn't sizzling. He's become a bit of a Schrodinger's Falcon as we enter the playoffs.

 

[Ice009]

I don't know what team should do. First HB, and now Julian is not providing anything in the starting 5.

No one really wants to start CB (fans or coaches from the looks of it). I think CB should have been given a shot at the starting slot back in January. I know it's more sensible as I remember reading earlier today or yesterday Scott mention that they're bringing him on at just the right pace. Not giving him too much, not giving him too little. I don't want to start him just because. I guess I agree with Scott and the other guys that say you don't want to break his confidence by throwing him into the fire as if he doesn't do well, it could hurt him in the long run, but I don't see any alternative as the other guys ahead of him are faltering. I believe he's better than both (better defense, better hustle, brings more energy, can shoot from the outside and can get some buckets inside etc.).

I just wish HB or Julian took a grip on the spot so I wouldn't even have to be thinking about this, but unfortunately they haven't outright claimed it.

 

[LeBowen]

and now Julian is not providing anything in the starting 5

???

36 game sample size is more than enough.
That's about as good as it gets for the 5th option in the starting lineup.

 

[Ice009]

Yeah, OK, that is 100% correct when looking at that sample size, but will Julian recover? He's looking pretty bad to me. Not sure if he is carrying a nagging injury or if teams are just trying to focus on him a little more (not letting him get hot), but take HB for example, he just kept sliding and never got back to his baseline. I hope the same doesn't happen to Julian. If it's just an Icyhot thing like Danny Green where he's hot and cold that's fine, but what if it's more like a HB thing where he's sliding and doesn't get back up to that baseline? I hope I am completely wrong, but that is what it looks like to me.

I will say it again, but I believe in CB. I believe he's a TP like kid that is up for it and can handle the pressure, will thrive. I didn't really believe in HB much at all (it mostly started with his defense and rebounding, and then when he started missing shots, what little confidence I had in trying to believe he won't be a liability in the playoffs was gone), and JC, I don't really believe in either. What makes me say that about JC? It's not so much the defense or rebounding or any of that, it's those missed free throws in crunch time (he doesn't seem to handle the pressure too well, and the playoffs are going to be loaded with pressure. He seems shaky in those situations and that could cause him to lose confidence in the rest of his game). Again, hope I'm completely wrong and Julian excels and punches me in the face proving me wrong, but those are my thoughts on it so far.

 

[ginobilized]

HB seems to have an arc with teams where he becomes a solid contributor and then falls off and is eventually unplayable and traded. Shooters are always streaky, but, defense is our calling card. The 3/4 is the position that we have lesser talent in the SL. Fox/Castle/Wemby are high on the talent scale. Vassell has become a great role player and fits well and is a great athlete if a bit undersized. CB is talented and likely a year away from being a solid 20-min contributor. Champ/HB are the players that need to be upgraded. The modern PF archetype would fit well here. Neither HB nor Champ are that.

 

[Ice009]

I just hope Champ can turn it around and doesn't tail off like HB has done with his previous teams. We don't know yet what type of player Champ is. Is he a guy that raises it up for the playoffs, or is he a guy that has a similar arc to the one you mentioned with HB? I hope it's the former.

 

[Mugen]

Obviously, we all want to get to the point where CB is ahead of Barnes in the rotation come playoff time. But realistically, that isn't going to happen tbh. I just can't see Mitch completely benching the guy with the most playoff experience on the team until they're in desperation mode. It's going to be a delicate balance to try and get them both minutes when possible. What can't happen are those garbage lineups that have both Barnes and Carter on the floor without Wemby, Castle, and probably even Devin.

Barnes hit two 3s last night while CB was 0fer. As of now, HB will still be the one that defenses will have to close out on when he gets open looks from the perimeter. Just gotta pray that he knocks them down tbh.

 

[Ice009]

Obviously, we all want to get to the point where CB is ahead of Barnes in the rotation come playoff time. But realistically, that isn't going to happen tbh. I just can't see Mitch completely benching the guy with the most playoff experience on the team until they're in desperation mode. It's going to be a delicate balance to try and get them both minutes when possible. What can't happen are those garbage lineups that have both Barnes and Carter on the floor without Wemby, Castle, and probably even Devin.

Barnes hit two 3s last night while CB was 0fer. As of now, HB will still be the one that defenses will have to close out on when he gets open looks from the perimeter. Just gotta pray that he knocks them down tbh.

Yeah, unfortunately, you're probably right that it's too late for CB to end up ahead in the rotation. If Mitch actually tried it back in January, he might have been more confident in him to be more ready for regular playoff role.

 

[dn0774]

I’m very high on CB long term but I just don’t want him touching the SL any time soon. Jules has been solid. Guys who are mostly 3 point shooters just go through feast or famine stretches. He has also been dinged up.

My main concern with CB right now is he is too in his own head about mistakes. Last night he had a play where he got fouled driving to the hoop and he didn’t finish the and 1. He was visibly pissed at himself to the point I thought he was called for an offensive foul. Rough body language on misses as well.

He puts too much pressure on himself in my opinion. I know the stakes are massive (for himself personally and the team) but visibly sulking over every dumb foul or missed 3 is a bit much. Putting him in the SL and then possibly at some point needing to pull him from the SL down the road would crush him.

 

[scott]

I’m very high on CB long term but I just don’t want him touching the SL any time soon. Jules has been solid. Guys who are mostly 3 point shooters just go through feast or famine stretches. He has also been dinged up.

My main concern with CB right now is he is too in his own head about mistakes. Last night he had a play where he got fouled driving to the hoop and he didn’t finish the and 1. He was visibly pissed at himself to the point I thought he was called for an offensive foul. Rough body language on misses as well.

He puts too much pressure on himself in my opinion. I know the stakes are massive (for himself personally and the team) but visibly sulking over every dumb foul or missed 3 is a bit much. Putting him in the SL and then possibly at some point needing to pull him from the SL down the road would crush him.

Great call out. Folks here want to throw him to the wolves, but he's not ready as a basketball player or from a mental standpoint. The way Mitch is handling his development has been great. No need to rock the boat at this point. CB's minutes are steadily increasing (at the expense of HB) as he continues to develop... just keep doing that. This isn't the dark years where we could just force development by playing young guys huge minutes. There are real stakes now.

 

[Raven_]

he's been alright in his bench role tbh. Very happy we made the switch finally.