Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[Neuromancer]

Evan Sidery reporting the Bulls, Hornets, Knicks, Lakers, and Suns have interest in Sochan

Let's rev up the trade machine

 

[Neuromancer]

Though I find it odd the Lakers have interest when they already have their own defense only PF that can't score for shit in Vanderbilt

 

[Exstatic]

Maybe, but I don't think the 2027 pick is as valuable to the Spurs as it is to other teams.

It’s literally our best chance at a lottery pick until Wemby retires.

 

[LeBowen]

It’s literally our best chance at a lottery pick until Wemby retires.

We have those Kings and Timberwolves swaps.
20131 will be a perfect time to give 27 year old Wemby his next co-star, tbh.

 

[Neuromancer]

We have those Kings and Timberwolves swaps.
20131 will be a perfect time to give 27 year old Wemby his next co-star, tbh.

We also have swaps from Dallas and Boston. All it takes is one Achilles to implode for those to be incredibly valuable also

 

[Exstatic]

We have those Kings and Timberwolves swaps.
20131 will be a perfect time to give 27 year old Wemby his next co-star, tbh.

Further out is harder to project. I thought that Minny swap would be gold, that they would go the way of those Memphis and Sacto squads that plucked high seeds for a year, then fizzled. Instead, they’ve been to the WCFs two years in a row. Sacto swap might be better,but all of their bloated contracts will be off the books by summer of 2028, giving them 3 seasons to tank and rebuild. They own all of their FRPs during that time.

 

[Exstatic]

We also have swaps from Dallas and Boston. All it takes is one Achilles to implode for those to be incredibly valuable also

Don’t be surprised if Dallas magically draws another high pick this year, and Boston doesn’t look to be anywhere near as cooked as people thought. They’re dangerous this year.

 

[LeBowen]

Further out is harder to project. I thought that Minny swap would be gold, that they would go the way of those Memphis and Sacto squads that plucked high seeds for a year, then fizzled. Instead, they’ve been to the WCFs two years in a row. Sacto swap might be better,but all of their bloated contracts will be off the books by summer of 2028, giving them 3 seasons to tank and rebuild. They own all of their FRPs during that time.

As you say, it's hard to project, but it's the Kings and they're basically guaranteed to be perma-bad.
Timberwolves already blew they load, don't have much assets left to rebuild around Edwards since Randle and Gobert aren't long term pieces.

 

[Maddog]

He's playing on a team that needs defenders, here he'd be on a team that needs shooters.

He's really bad defensively. Also offensively all he does is shoot.

 

[PocketMonger]

He's really bad defensively. Also offensively all he does is shoot.

How's that any different from Klay Thompson at this point.

Knecht needs a change of scenery. Spurs are a good spot for that.

 

[mo7888]

It’s literally our best chance at a lottery pick until Wemby retires.

I think this year is our best chance. There are to many variables on the pick next year

 

[Maddog]

How's that any different from Klay Thompson at this point.

Knecht needs a change of scenery. Spurs are a good spot for that.

Wouldn't want Klay either
Knecht does have a few pluses to consider I'll admit. He can shoot. And he's cheap and no long term commitment. I'm not optimistic he can help the Spurs, but a half season try out probably not going to hurt.

 

[scott]

When I'm looking through the player pool of these teams, Sochan for LaRavia wouldn't be a bad deal I guess.

Don't play with my emotions like this

 

[scott]

Last year before the deadline we got sad Keldon who responded with a 24 point game against MIL and followed it up with a 19 point performance against MIA.

Who will be our Sad Keldon this year?

 

[LeBowen]

Last year before the deadline we got sad Keldon who responded with a 24 point game against MIL and followed it up with a 19 point performance against MIA.

Who will be our Sad Keldon this year?

Castle will go for an efficent 8-20 tonight, tbh.

 

[Raven_]

pretty sure whoever we trade sochan for, will be a massive downgrade

 

[LeBowen]

pretty sure whoever we trade sochan for, will be a massive downgrade

It literally can't be a downgrade because Sochan isn't in the rotation even when we're missing players.
It can only be another DNP player, which wouldn't surprise me.

 

[scott]

pretty sure wherever sochan gets traded to, he still won't be a good nba player

 

[spursistan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016374521268207845

I know we are the "do good by him" kings even if it is a scrub-tier player in question, but Sochan is still a former Top 10 pick who is only 22, so they better wring something out of his impending move even in the form of facilitation to a transaction of their own to shore up this year's roster (marginally so, that is)..Wright (and his crew) should be aware the 2022 draft turning into a total wipeout for them is not a good look.

 

[Exstatic]

I think this year is our best chance. There are to many variables on the pick next year

There are even more variables on the future swaps.

I wasn’t including this years pick, because the chances of trading it approach zero.

 

[scott]

I know we are the "do good by him" kings even if it is a scrub-tier player in question, but Sochan is still a former Top 10 pick who is only 22, so they better wring something out of his impending move even in the form of facilitation to a transaction of their own to shore up this year's roster (marginally so, that is)..Wright (and his crew) should be aware the 2022 draft turning into a total wipeout for them is not a good look.

2022 draft cratered as a sacrifice to the lottery gods... said gods responded by giving us Wemby, Castle and Harper. I'm not gonna lose much sleep over 2021 or 2022...

But for fun, here is what I believe the Optimal 2021 and 2022 drafts would have been for the Spurs (ignoring the fact that if we did this, maybe we don't land Wemby, Castle, Harper) if he go by highest career VORP players available

2021 #12 - Alperen Sengun
2022 #9 - Jalen Williams
2022 #20 - Walker Kessler
2022 #25 - Jaylin Williams

Taking more into account fit if you had a crystal ball and knew you would get Wemby, Castle, Harper... I think this would have been optimal:

2021 #12 - Trey Murphy III
2022 #9 - Jalen Williams
2022 #20 - Christian Braun
2022 #25 - Nikola Jovic

Current team would be:

PG - Fox/Harper
SG - Castle/Vassell/Braun
SF - Murphy/Keldon/Champ
PF - Williams/Barnes/Jovic
C - Wembanyama/Kornet

Obviously this is fantasy land stuff....

 

[scott]

There are even more variables on the future swaps.

I wasn’t including this years pick, because the chances of trading it approach zero.

Just from a probability point of view, I'd say next year's ATL pick is a lot more predictable than any of those far out swaps. I think we can comfortably count on it being in that 12-18 range, with some fringe probability higher or lower than that (kind of like this year's pick). The ATL27 definitely has a well defined bell curve around a normal distribution centered around pick 14-15 IMO. Whereas those picks 5+ years away have a flat probability distribution that tails off at the edges.

I whipped up a quick little chart...



(This post not disputing anything you're saying, ex, just quoting you to make it clear what conversation I'm referencing)

 

[JJSPUR]

As i see it Biyombo and Sochan aren't adding much value to our team so basically we're down to 13 players (not counting the G-league guys). So what can we do ? My hope is that the spurs can trade Sochan and Biyombo plus a second rounder or two to the lakers for LaRavia and Dalton Kenect. The lakers get defense, we get offence - which we need badly sometimes.

Another team I'd look at would be the bulls. They're going nowhere fast and we've done business with them before, so maybe we can help each other one more time. Its been a slow trade market so far, lets start something. The longer the spurs wait the less value they will probably get. We'll soon see.

I just hope they don't trade Sochan for some top 55 protected pick in 2042 and some rolls of tape. If they do that, he might as well go back to Poland.

 

[Bruno]

I don't expect Spurs to get a quality player back for Sochan. The trade will likely be Sochan for a random expiring contract and maybe some cash to offset salaries.
Given teams interested in him, Jevon Carter, Maxi Kleber and Pat Connaughton could be the random expiring contract Spurs get.

 

[Exstatic]

Just from a probability point of view, I'd say next year's ATL pick is a lot more predictable than any of those far out swaps. I think we can comfortably count on it being in that 12-18 range, with some fringe probability higher or lower than that (kind of like this year's pick). The ATL27 definitely has a well defined bell curve around a normal distribution centered around pick 14-15 IMO. Whereas those picks 5+ years away have a flat probability distribution that tails off at the edges.

I whipped up a quick little chart...

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(This post not disputing anything you're saying, ex, just quoting you to make it clear what conversation I'm referencing)

I felt great about the 2030 and the two swaps two years ago. Now? Not so much. The Luka trade reset Dallas too soon. Minny didn’t fade like some of the other sudden top seeds. They established, with two WCF trips, and probably won’t crater in time.

Stuff changes, and the further out the item in question, the more things will change.