Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[scott]

Good post @Ariel.

This is why I brought up Deni as a thought experiment. He's 4 years older than Steph, but is on a similar contract both in duration and salary (Steph's rookie deal actually makes more than Deni in the 4th and final year of their deals which both end in 2027-28). So it's not like acquiring Deni would change the cap calculus anymore than Steph would.

Which team works better on paper?

Team A	Team B
Fox/Harper	Fox//Harper
Castle	Vassell
Vassell/Keldon	Advija/Keldon
Barnes/Champ	Champagnie/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet	Wembanyama/Kornet

I'm positive that Advija is valued pretty significantly above Castle right now... by how much I don't know. 1 pick? 2 picks?

But if POR would do a straight swap... would the community here be up for that? I think I would...

What about at Castle + 1 pick? I think I'm still in. At +2 picks it gets a tougher conversation for me.

But IMO, Team B is a much more complete team. Advija is a 35.5% 3P shooter on high volume (3.1 M/100, 8.7 A/100) with size, rebounding and playmaking. Honestly it kind of pisses me off that Portland got him for as cheap as they did

We'd still need Bryant to develop and to look for legit PF depth in the offseason, but Advija at the 3 makes Champ playable at the 4, IMO.

If we were going to move Castle, this is the kind of move I would do it for.

 

[Exstatic]

You can add guys like Bam and Lauri to the list as well and Paulo last season.

It also in some ways makes Trea Young's Atlanta run more impressive. A lot of top 30 players can't consistently lift their teams to the playoffs even in a dog water eastern conference but somehow an under sized guard with bad defense and no rebounding managed to do so.

Eastern conference is crap.

 

[mo7888]

Good post @Ariel.

This is why I brought up Deni as a thought experiment. He's 4 years older than Steph, but is on a similar contract both in duration and salary (Steph's rookie deal actually makes more than Deni in the 4th and final year of their deals which both end in 2027-28). So it's not like acquiring Deni would change the cap calculus anymore than Steph would.

Which team works better on paper?

Team A	Team B
Fox/Harper	Fox//Harper
Castle	Vassell
Vassell/Keldon	Advija/Keldon
Barnes/Champ	Champagnie/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet	Wembanyama/Kornet

I'm positive that Advija is valued pretty significantly above Castle right now... by how much I don't know. 1 pick? 2 picks?

But if POR would do a straight swap... would the community here be up for that? I think I would...

What about at Castle + 1 pick? I think I'm still in. At +2 picks it gets a tougher conversation for me.

But IMO, Team B is a much more complete team. Advija is a 35.5% 3P shooter on high volume (3.1 M/100, 8.7 A/100) with size, rebounding and playmaking. Honestly it kind of pisses me off that Portland got him for as cheap as they did

We'd still need Bryant to develop and to look for legit PF depth in the offseason, but Advija at the 3 makes Champ playable at the 4, IMO.

If we were going to move Castle, this is the kind of move I would do it for.

I don't think Deni is valued more than castle right now. Castle is coming off ROY and, right or not, his upside potential makes him a more valuable asset, even if Deni is the better player today. Deni is very good, but he's a known quantity.

 

[BacktoBasics]

Good post @Ariel.

This is why I brought up Deni as a thought experiment. He's 4 years older than Steph, but is on a similar contract both in duration and salary (Steph's rookie deal actually makes more than Deni in the 4th and final year of their deals which both end in 2027-28). So it's not like acquiring Deni would change the cap calculus anymore than Steph would.

Which team works better on paper?

Team A	Team B
Fox/Harper	Fox//Harper
Castle	Vassell
Vassell/Keldon	Advija/Keldon
Barnes/Champ	Champagnie/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet	Wembanyama/Kornet

I'm positive that Advija is valued pretty significantly above Castle right now... by how much I don't know. 1 pick? 2 picks?

But if POR would do a straight swap... would the community here be up for that? I think I would...

What about at Castle + 1 pick? I think I'm still in. At +2 picks it gets a tougher conversation for me.

But IMO, Team B is a much more complete team. Advija is a 35.5% 3P shooter on high volume (3.1 M/100, 8.7 A/100) with size, rebounding and playmaking. Honestly it kind of pisses me off that Portland got him for as cheap as they did

We'd still need Bryant to develop and to look for legit PF depth in the offseason, but Advija at the 3 makes Champ playable at the 4, IMO.

If we were going to move Castle, this is the kind of move I would do it for.

Adv is nearing AS level play.

But with the way we sit people out unless you have a super strong 3 primary ball handlers deep you’re asking for trouble.

But I jmake that trade. Hate the idea of breaking up a potential long term backcourt like ours but it’s a good trade.

I’m not super hot on adding a bunch of picks to that but I agree he has more value than castle.

 

[Exstatic]

Adv is nearing AS level play.

But with the way we sit people out unless you have a super strong 3 primary ball handlers deep you’re asking for trouble.

But I jmake that trade. Hate the idea of breaking up a potential long term backcourt like ours but it’s a good trade.

I’m not super hot on adding a bunch of picks to that but I agree he has more value than castle.

His defense is for shit.

 

[BacktoBasics]

His defense is for shit.

I bet it would look a lot better on our team than where he currently stands.

 

[scott]

I don't think Deni is valued more than castle right now. Castle is coming off ROY and, right or not, his upside potential makes him a more valuable asset, even if Deni is the better player today. Deni is very good, but he's a known quantity.

Interesting, and you might be right. Castle's defense has been great and that can't be ignored (and there is still plenty of upside to it) though I don't think it is quite as versatile as some give it credit for. But I don't think it's a hot take to say his 90% offensive outcome is still probably below where Deni is right now which is nothing to be ashamed of, Deni is 96th percentile Offensive Actual EPM this season). So I'd say Castle will likely never be the offensive player Deni is, but his defense laps Deni and the question becomes does the elite defender, above average offensive player beat the elite offensive/bad defender? I'm talking myself into agreeing with you...

 

[Kick-Stand]

Good post @Ariel.

This is why I brought up Deni as a thought experiment. He's 4 years older than Steph, but is on a similar contract both in duration and salary (Steph's rookie deal actually makes more than Deni in the 4th and final year of their deals which both end in 2027-28). So it's not like acquiring Deni would change the cap calculus anymore than Steph would.

Which team works better on paper?

Team A	Team B
Fox/Harper	Fox//Harper
Castle	Vassell
Vassell/Keldon	Advija/Keldon
Barnes/Champ	Champagnie/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet	Wembanyama/Kornet

I'm positive that Advija is valued pretty significantly above Castle right now... by how much I don't know. 1 pick? 2 picks?

But if POR would do a straight swap... would the community here be up for that? I think I would...

What about at Castle + 1 pick? I think I'm still in. At +2 picks it gets a tougher conversation for me.

But IMO, Team B is a much more complete team. Advija is a 35.5% 3P shooter on high volume (3.1 M/100, 8.7 A/100) with size, rebounding and playmaking. Honestly it kind of pisses me off that Portland got him for as cheap as they did

We'd still need Bryant to develop and to look for legit PF depth in the offseason, but Advija at the 3 makes Champ playable at the 4, IMO.

If we were going to move Castle, this is the kind of move I would do it for.

I would not trade Castle for Avdija. Avdija being a league average three point shooter doesn't make up for Castle projecting to be a much better defender. In a conference with SGA, Ant, and Luka I'd much rather have a guy who projects to be a bigger Alvin Robertson type. Avdija is also in his prime and probably as good as he'll ever be in a role that makes him look a lot better than he'd be as a second or third option in San Antonio. While Castle is four years younger with crazy upside. Avdija will also cost more to retain in 2029 as he'll be eligible for a 30% max while Castle probably costs a 25% max. If I'm trading Steph it has to be for an absolute sniper kind of 3&D guy you slot into the SF or PF as that's the only kind of player who could be as deadly a fit on this roster as the athletic playmaking strong as an ox 6'7" defensive stopper with a lot of untapped potential that Steph is. He's in a bad slump but the grass is still green as fuck in San Antonio.

 

[talkspurs]

What about Naji Marshall? He can play PF has a better 3 and would be ok coming off the bench but could start as well. Dont think he would be a good small ball Center though.

 

[Vienna]

Cavs are facing a gigantic tax bill, according to spotrac it's currently estimated 164 Million. no way they don't try to reduce this, they are not a contender anyway.
(I don't see the Spurs interested in any player)
and there are the recidivist teams, some could save a lot of money, even with minor moves. (like GSW and BOS)

the Warriors could save a lot of money just by moving Al Horford with no money back. best for them will be a trade for a TE, but there is something that would also work:
Warriors send Horford to Spurs, Spurs send Sochan to Nets, Nets send a protected 2nd rounder to Warriors. Warriors save a boatload of money. (might be up to 30 million, but I'm not sure about the number)

 

[Ice009]

I don't think Deni is valued more than castle right now. Castle is coming off ROY and, right or not, his upside potential makes him a more valuable asset, even if Deni is the better player today. Deni is very good, but he's a known quantity.

That's the gamble. Steph could end up being a better player (I believe he will), or he might not even get to where Deni is now. It's a very interesting trade proposal that Scott has brought up.

Steph still has a lot more upside and Deni might not get much better than he is now. Very interesting trade scenario.

 

[Exstatic]

That's the gamble. Steph could end up being a better player (I believe he will), or he might not even get to where Deni is now. It's a very interesting trade proposal that Scott has brought up.

Steph still has a lot more upside and Deni might not get much better than he is now. Very interesting trade scenario.

People forget, but the Wiz gave up on Deni, and basically salary dumped him to Portland. That’s what happens when you give up too soon on a lottery pick.

 

[Ice009]

Yeah, true. I wouldn't make the trade as Steph's potential and upside is still much higher to go ahead of where Deni is currently. I don't really see Deni getting much better than he is now (maybe a tiny bit.

Steph's shooting is what is making me waver a little bit now. If he were shooting better, I wouldn't have even thought about it for a split second.

 

[Exstatic]

I bet it would look a lot better on our team than where he currently stands.

It’s not like he’s got Vucevic or Choonis or some big offensive hub who is completely immobile on defense behind him. He’s got Donovan Clingan, a pretty damn good defensive C.

 

[BacktoBasics]

It’s not like he’s got Vucevic or Choonis or some big offensive hub who is completely immobile on defense behind him. He’s got Donovan Clingan, a pretty damn good defensive C.

I’ll give you clingan but no one else on that team plays much defense.

 

[pad300]

People forget, but the Wiz gave up on Deni, and basically salary dumped him to Portland. That’s what happens when you give up too soon on a lottery pick.

Wasn't exactly a salary dump - they got a late lottery pick that year, and a 2029 first (that's probably a middling pick; second best of {Portland, Milwaukee and Boston}), and a couple of seconds ... as well as the corpse of Malcolm Brogdon.

 

[gospursgo91]

What would it take to get Kuminga

 

[Exstatic]

What would it take to get Kuminga

Well, you’d have to be brain damaged to start with. He’s not a team guy, constantly breaking off plays to show off his subpar midrange game.

Yet another example of holding an asset too long. He was a terrible fit from the beginning, too young, undisciplined. He was not equipped to operate in a motion offense.

 

[spursfanfromafar]

Well, you’d have to be brain damaged to start with. He’s not a team guy, constantly breaking off plays to show off his subpar midrange game.

Yet another example of holding an asset too long. He was a terrible fit from the beginning, too young, undisciplined. He was not equipped to operate in a motion offense.

Yep. The only thing going for him is athleticism. Otherwise, he is an iso-hunting player who can't gel within the team concept. A very anti-Spurs player and not just an anti-Warriors player.

 

[Kick-Stand]

I’ll give you clingan but no one else on that team plays much defense.

Gotta disagree, Toumani Camara and Jrue Holiday are pretty elite defenders too.

 

[rascal]

I would not trade Castle for Avdija. Avdija being a league average three point shooter doesn't make up for Castle projecting to be a much better defender. In a conference with SGA, Ant, and Luka I'd much rather have a guy who projects to be a bigger Alvin Robertson type. Avdija is also in his prime and probably as good as he'll ever be in a role that makes him look a lot better than he'd be as a second or third option in San Antonio. While Castle is four years younger with crazy upside. Avdija will also cost more to retain in 2029 as he'll be eligible for a 30% max while Castle probably costs a 25% max. If I'm trading Steph it has to be for an absolute sniper kind of 3&D guy you slot into the SF or PF as that's the only kind of player who could be as deadly a fit on this roster as the athletic playmaking strong as an ox 6'7" defensive stopper with a lot of untapped potential that Steph is. He's in a bad slump but the grass is still green as fuck in San Antonio.

Agree

Will be much easier finding perimeter shooting than losing an all around player like Castle.

Add another strong shooter off the bench and shooting at the PF via trade this year for the playoff run and the draft in the off season and the spurs will be better off in the long run having kept the three guards but do not break up the Fox/Castle/ Harper guard rotation which will be the best in the league.

 

[rascal]

What type of player can a Vassell + Sochan trade net in return??

 

[scott]

People forget, but the Wiz gave up on Deni, and basically salary dumped him to Portland. That’s what happens when you give up too soon on a lottery pick.

Portland gave up two FRPs (one was a lotto pick, #14, and the other is kind of mid)

WAS definitely gave up too early, but I wouldn't call that a salary dump (especially since he's actually on a great contract).

 

[scott]

What type of player can a Vassell + Sochan trade net in return??

You'd be sending out $34MM, so if you are looking to use them to return one player, you could go as high as about $43MM and as low as about $26MM (but you wouldn't need to send out Sochan to get that low, you could just send Vassell without Jeremy, so a team would really want to have him).

Here is everyone who fits that range. I went a little lower than the bottom range that you could get to if you took out Sochan (or the other team added some filler on their end)

 

[OK Computer]

Didn’t Deni have years of disappointment equal to or worse than the rough patch Castle is going through now?