Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[Ice009]

I dont really care for Yabu, but if we can use Sochan to get a distant protected FRP or SWAP from the Knicks I'd jump on it.

I'm not sure about him anymore. I wanted his last offseason and the one before that, but I don't know what has happened in NY. Is he not good enough to stay on the court? Can he not play defense or fit into their defensive and offensive schemes. Is it just an attitude thing where he wants more minutes, but isn't getting them. The Spurs would have to defer to Victor and ask Victor what he thinks of him. If they attach a first round pick I'd may do it, though. Not sure if it's worth it for a second round pick if he can't help the team at all and might makes things worse and cause chemistry issues. Really tough call as I don't know what's happened in NY to put him on the trade block.

Also, what happened to Topic? I thought he was supposed to play this season for the Thunder? Edit: Just read he had testicular cancer, so don't worry about basketball. Hope he is alright and gets past it. Sounds like he's doing good and on the way back.

 

[O_V]

Can we trade for a time machine and keep Barlow and Mamu?

 

[Ice009]

Didn't Barlow want to leave? I thought he was a good prospect, but I thought he asked out for whatever reason (don't know why), so no choice in the matter.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

„Rival scouts in the West believe the Pelicans will instead look to make smaller moves involving Jose Alvarado, Saddiq Bey, Jordan Hawkins, and Jordan Poole for draft picks. All four players are listed in the order of how likely they are to be traded this season.“
- via Clutchpoints

They are also saying the Cavs will move Dean Wade.

 

[BacktoBasics]

I think they'd be justified asking for an FRP from a playoff team (or a protected FRP from a fringe team)... but I agree with you, they really don't have anything to gain by trading him unless they get an FRP.

I really wonder what the Dumars-Hawks negotiation was like. Did NOP just offer an unprotected pick straight away? Could they have still gotten the deal by offering Top 4 protection? Even as good as Queen looks, still just a shocking trade. The outlook on the Pelicans would be so much different if they even had a 50% chance at a Top 4 pick.

But with that said... even if Bey moves to the bench with Zion back...

Fears
TMIII
Herb
Zion
Queen

Is exciting on paper.

I’d have to put string consideration into leaving Zion on the bench and continue playing him 25 minutes a night. At least statistically he hasn’t seemed bad off the bench.

A healthy Zion for 25 minutes is better than no Zion.

I guess

 

[scott]

I’d have to put string consideration into leaving Zion on the bench and continue playing him 25 minutes a night. At least statistically he hasn’t seemed bad off the bench.

A healthy Zion for 25 minutes is better than no Zion.

I guess

Zion v Wemby for 6MOY!

 

[Ariel]

„Rival scouts in the West believe the Pelicans will instead look to make smaller moves involving Jose Alvarado, Saddiq Bey, Jordan Hawkins, and Jordan Poole for draft picks. All four players are listed in the order of how likely they are to be traded this season.“
- via Clutchpoints

They are also saying the Cavs will move Dean Wade.

OK, let's compile a list of role players rumored / likely to be available that could fit the Spurs and wouldn't break the bank (Olynyk / Sochan / SRPs): Dean Wade, Keon Ellis, Saddiq Bey, Jarace Walker... who else?

EDIT: John Collins?

 

[scott]

OK, let's compile a list of role players rumored / likely to be available that could fit the Spurs and wouldn't break the bank (Olynyk / Sochan / SRPs): Dean Wade, Keon Ellis, Saddiq Bey, Jarace Walker... who else?

EDIT: John Collins?

I'll say upfront that I really like Keon Ellis... but I'd like to know what the vision is for him that fits the Spurs? I don't see how he ever gets minutes ahead of Fox, Castle, Harper or Vassell. I suppose he'd be a very nice insurance policy should one of those guys need to miss games. Seems a little disrespectful and ineffective utilization of Keon... but then again, that's what SAC is currently doing to him anyway.

 

[Ariel]

I'll say upfront that I really like Keon Ellis... but I'd like to know what the vision is for him that fits the Spurs? I don't see how he ever gets minutes ahead of Fox, Castle, Harper or Vassell. I suppose he'd be a very nice insurance policy should one of those guys need to miss games. Seems a little disrespectful and ineffective utilization of Keon... but then again, that's what SAC is currently doing to him anyway.

Keon Ellis doesn't compete for playing time with Fox, Harper or Castle, I see him as short term insurance policy for Vassell and Champagnie with the possibility to grow into more, cheap 3&D wing whose skill set could be of use in the playoffs as a NAW of sorts, so that you have options if anyone is hurt or going through a slump. If he works out, you have the inside track to re-sign him, if not, no biggie as he didn't cost you too much. I don't think Spurs have filled their quota of his archetype, considering you probably will have to go through the Lakers, OKC, etc.

 

[scott]

Keon Ellis doesn't compete for playing time with Fox, Harper or Castle, I see him as short term insurance policy for Vassell and Champagnie with the possibility to grow into more, cheap 3&D wing whose skill set could be of use in the playoffs as a NAW of sorts, so that you have options if anyone is hurt or going through a slump. If he works out, you have the inside track to re-sign him, if not, no biggie as he didn't cost you too much. I don't think Spurs have filled their quota of his archetype, considering you probably will have to go through the Lakers, OKC, etc.

Keon is 6'3". He has a long wingspan, but he's still a guard. I don't see how he competes with Vassell or Champ for rotation minutes at all, especially for a Spurs team who is already size challenged at forward.

 

[SpursBills]

OK, let's compile a list of role players rumored / likely to be available that could fit the Spurs and wouldn't break the bank (Olynyk / Sochan / SRPs): Dean Wade, Keon Ellis, Saddiq Bey, Jarace Walker... who else?

EDIT: John Collins?

I think that of these, the asking price for Dean Wade is probably lowest as the Cavs seem to be pretty low on him. A straight Wade for Sochan plus maybe a second works. Sochan is a disaster this year, but the player he was supposed to be (i.e. the player he was at the beginning of last season) still provides value - a connective 6'8-6'9 guy who takes a few shots and is really a plus defender 3-5, like the inverse Harrison Barnes. I don't think the Spurs actually have anybody like that on the roster right now. I don't harbor any delusions of Wade becoming a full time starter, but if you can get him cheap for like a second or two, he might be able to be someone you can throw onto Durant or Julius Randle for 10 minutes a night in the playoffs. He's also having a bad shooting season and the Cavs are very down on him, but he's been decent in the past hovering around 36% on medium volume 3s in the past. If he sucks, he expires at the end of the year anyway so you're not committing any additional cap space to him.

 

[scott]

I think that of these, the asking price for Dean Wade is probably lowest as the Cavs seem to be pretty low on him. A straight Wade for Sochan plus maybe a second works. Sochan is a disaster this year, but the player he was supposed to be (i.e. the player he was at the beginning of last season) still provides value - a connective 6'8-6'9 guy who takes a few shots and is really a plus defender 3-5, like the inverse Harrison Barnes. I don't think the Spurs actually have anybody like that on the roster right now. I don't harbor any delusions of Wade becoming a full time starter, but if you can get him cheap for like a second or two, he might be able to be someone you can throw onto Durant or Julius Randle for 10 minutes a night in the playoffs. He's also having a bad shooting season and the Cavs are very down on him, but he's been decent in the past hovering around 36% on medium volume 3s in the past. If he sucks, he expires at the end of the year anyway so you're not committing any additional cap space to him.

Dean Wade has long been my realistic backup PF target... I'd be over the moon if we got him.

Bey seems like as big of a "big move" as the Spurs are likely to even consider this year, and even then I'd put it on the fringes of the range of possibilities, even if I'd like that move.

 

[Ariel]

Keon is 6'3". He has a long wingspan, but he's still a guard. I don't see how he competes with Vassell or Champ for rotation minutes at all, especially for a Spurs team who is already size challenged at forward.

Keon Ellis is 6'3.5" barefoot with a 6'8.5" wingspan, for reference these are players in his ballpark:

Marcus Smart 6'2" / 6'9.25"
Cason Wallace 6'2.5" / 6'8.5"
Lou Dort 6'2.75" / 6'8.5"
Derrick White 6'3" / 6'7.5"
Josh Hart 6'4" / 6'8.5"
NAW 6'4.25" / 6'9.5"
Alex Caruso 6'4.5" / 6'6"
Dillon Brooks 6'5" / 6'6"
Devin Vassell 6'5" / 6'9.5"

I don't think labeling him as a guard based on height is appropriate, on offense he's a primarily off-ball, low usage player who won't be expected to create much for himself of others, you don't really need a lot from him other than be a catch and shoot threat and space the floor and no one is going to leave him open when he's shot almost 42% from 3 on a sample upwards of 500 attempts.

On defense I can easily envision him on most 1-3 on-ball creators / scorers you might run into in the playoffs, like Reaves, Jamal Murray, Ant, SGA, Jalen Williams, Ajay Mitchell, Brunson, Booker, etc. It's never a bad thing to have options in the playoffs in case of injury, foul trouble, slump, etc.

Also Spurs are a conservative organization who err on the side of caution, Vassell and Champagnie are playing on average 30 mpg and haven't missed a game, you can't assume that is going to be the case the rest of the way. All in all I think he's got a skill set that could be very handy at a time of need, I wouldn't go crazy overpaying for him but would definitely take him if he's available at the right price.

 

[scott]

Keon Ellis is 6'3.5" barefoot with a 6'8.5" wingspan, for reference these are players in his ballpark:

Marcus Smart 6'2" / 6'9.25"
Cason Wallace 6'2.5" / 6'8.5"
Lou Dort 6'2.75" / 6'8.5"
Derrick White 6'3" / 6'7.5"
Josh Hart 6'4" / 6'8.5"
NAW 6'4.25" / 6'9.5"
Alex Caruso 6'4.5" / 6'6"
Dillon Brooks 6'5" / 6'6"
Devin Vassell 6'5" / 6'9.5"

I don't think labeling him as a guard based on height is appropriate, on offense he's a primarily off-ball, low usage player who won't be expected to create much for himself of others, you don't really need a lot from him other than be a catch and shoot threat and space the floor and no one is going to leave him open when he's shot almost 42% from 3 on a sample upwards of 500 attempts.

On defense I can easily envision him on most 1-3 on-ball creators / scorers you might run into in the playoffs, like Reaves, Jamal Murray, Ant, SGA, Jalen Williams, Ajay Mitchell, Brunson, Booker, etc. It's never a bad thing to have options in the playoffs in case of injury, foul trouble, slump, etc.

Also Spurs are a conservative organization who err on the side of caution, Vassell and Champagnie are playing on average 30 mpg and haven't missed a game, you can't assume that is going to be the case the rest of the way. All in all I think he's got a skill set that could be very handy at a time of need, I wouldn't go crazy overpaying for him but would definitely take him if he's available at the right price.

I mean you just listed a bunch of guards, and couple guys who aren't guards but also play nothing like Keon Ellis (who plays like a guard, and who's has played the vast majority of his minutes in this league at, you guessed it, guard. To that point, an estimated 87% of Keon's minutes in his entire career have come at guard, and 99% of them this season). You go on to list all the guards he would possibly defend. Sounds like he's a guard... not someone who is going to take minutes from our SFs (especially since two of guards can already do that).

Would it hurt to have more guard depth that is better than JMac, Lindy and DJG? Sure. But I don't envision a the Spurs trading for guard depth, and I definitely don't see them trading for a guard to displace SF minutes.

 

[Ariel]

I mean you just listed a bunch of guards, and couple guys who aren't guards but also play nothing like Keon Ellis (who plays like a guard, and who's has played the vast majority of his minutes in this league at, you guessed it, guard. To that point, an estimated 87% of Keon's minutes in his entire career have come at guard, and 99% of them this season). You go on to list all the guards he would possibly defend. Sounds like he's a guard... not someone who is going to take minutes from our SFs (especially since two of guards can already do that).

Would it hurt to have more guard depth that is better than JMac, Lindy and DJG? Sure. But I don't envision a the Spurs trading for guard depth, and I definitely don't see them trading for a guard to displace SF minutes.

I listed guys proven to be able to hang on defense with the best of the league at comparable height / wingspan, that what the list was supposed to exemplify, most whom play off ball (except for White and Smart). I don't think the label "guard" is of much use when evaluating who he can or cannot play with. Will he ever come into a game substituting Fox, Harper or Castle being expected to provide anything they do, like say a Jones Garcia might? If not, then it doesn't make much sense to me to lump him in that group or calling him "a guard", when he basically will do nothing on ball, just because of height.

 

[scott]

I listed guys proven to be able to hang on defense with the best of the league at comparable height / wingspan, that what the list was supposed to exemplify, most whom play off ball (except for White and Smart). I don't think the label "guard" is of much use when evaluating who he can or cannot play with. Will he ever come into a game substituting Fox, Harper or Castle being expected to provide anything they do, like say a Jones Garcia might? If not, then it doesn't make much sense to me to lump him in that group or calling him "a guard", when he basically will do nothing on ball, just because of height.

Comparing him to Josh Hart or Dillon Brooks or even Devin Vassell doesn't mean much to me, other than they are similarly sized, because those guys play nothing like Keon Ellis. Ellis plays like a guard, whether you want to label him one or not.

I think Cason Wallace and NAW are great comps for him... but Cason Wallace and NAW are also guys who I'd otherwise love to have on our team but I don't think there is any room for.

Will he ever come into a game substituting for Fox, Harper or Castle? No, probably not. Will he ever come into the game to play alongside two of those guys? Also probably not... so what would he do here?

But, I'm not an expert by any means and perhaps the Spurs would want to play him alongside two of guards. I just don't think they would.

 

[MannyIG]

Man I am not fucking with this team at all. At this point the only player I’m trading is sochan but I don’t think you get any value there so I’m just rolling with what we have. I will be shocked if the Spurs make a meaningful trade this season.

 

[scott]

Man I am not fucking with this team at all. At this point the only player I’m trading is sochan but I don’t think you get any value there so I’m just rolling with what we have. I will be shocked if the Spurs make a meaningful trade this season.

Sochan for Dean Wade is all I’m interested in at this point (or some SRPs for a 3rd string C I guess, but I’d rather just get Micah Potter on a two-way).

Even Saddiq Bey is too distributive at this point

 

[JJSPUR]

Unless Olynk is involved in a trade, I don't see the spurs trading for anyone making more than 10 million. Sochan is the most likely play to get moved. What you get for him anyone's guess. Try Sacramento, they're possibly having a fire sale, plus they suck at trades.

 

[Robz4000]

Man I am not fucking with this team at all. At this point the only player I’m trading is sochan but I don’t think you get any value there so I’m just rolling with what we have. I will be shocked if the Spurs make a meaningful trade this season.

I'm the opposite at this point tbh. Not that I want a huge trade but I want this team to get a legit starting option at PF so Barnes can come off the bench with Harper/Champ/Keldon. Would also be fine with getting a legit third big and starting Kornet with Wemby.

 

[Robz4000]

That said, I'm also fine just waiting for the buyout market. Said it a few days ago, but Kevin Love would be an interesting cheap option. Would also be on board with bringing back CP3 if he's fine with extremely limited minutes tbh; if this team is serious about contending this year they need all the playoff experience they can get and those two have it in spades.

 

[Hoopdreams11]

Probably won’t bring Love in, if we still have Olynk.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003619342106476892

 

[RC_Drunkford]

That said, I'm also fine just waiting for the buyout market. Said it a few days ago, but Kevin Love would be an interesting cheap option. Would also be on board with bringing back CP3 if he's fine with extremely limited minutes tbh; if this team is serious about contending this year they need all the playoff experience they can get and those two have it in spades.

I don't want any 39-year olds on this team. Warriors and Clippers have a bunch of those and look where they are at. Those old guys don't fit our playstyle.

Sochan for Dean Wade is all I’m interested in at this point (or some SRPs for a 3rd string C I guess, but I’d rather just get Micah Potter on a two-way).

Even Saddiq Bey is too distributive at this point

Cavs wouldn't want Sochan, they want to get out the second apron. Biyombo + Waters works or a 3-team deal with Sochan going somewhere else.

 

[Shmurs]

The Sochan thing is beating a dead horse, but ultimately the real crime was wright not realizing he was hopeless until 100% of his value was gone. He could have fetched something nice once if we sold him once Vic went down last year, and we still get Harper. Now he’s got negative juice.