Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[scott]

Welp, i meant to post this weeks ago. The LA Flamers might not have gone for it anyways.

Drew Timme. Ex Gonzaga. Lit it up very well in the G League. Got traded from Brooklyn to LA. They stashed him for a while.
Very good team player, rebounder. Passing for a big is outstanding.
Damn i hope he doesn't pan out for the Riggers.
I think he could very well be a Bassey type hound dog.

Is working dilligently on his treys. Has upped it from very crusty 25% to 34%.

Good call out. Timme was a guy I liked in his draft class as a second round prospect, he ended up going undrafted. Just one of those older guys who dominate at the college level and never get considered for the NBA, but end up managing to carve out a career as a bench contributor (kind of like our old friend, Drew Eubanks, now in his 8th NBA season).

 

[SpursBills]

Anybody have interest in trading a couple mediocre second rounders for Julian Philips out of Chicago? 6'8" in shoes, almost 7' wingspan, high level athlete, already a decent defensive player. I liked him decently well coming out of college, I think he's improved every year. His main issue is that he can't' shoot - yet, but he's improved his FT% up to >80% and he's still only 22. He can barely get minutes in Chicago, but seems like a buy-low candidate if he makes the shooting leap like a some of the Boston wings (Walsh, Minott, etc.). Might be worth taking a bet on if he can become bigger Derrick Jones Jr, who is a nice rotation piece.

 

[OK Computer]

Anybody have interest in trading a couple mediocre second rounders for Julian Philips out of Chicago? 6'8" in shoes, almost 7' wingspan, high level athlete, already a decent defensive player. I liked him decently well coming out of college, I think he's improved every year. His main issue is that he can't' shoot - yet, but he's improved his FT% up to >80% and he's still only 22. He can barely get minutes in Chicago, but seems like a buy-low candidate if he makes the shooting leap like a some of the Boston wings (Walsh, Minott, etc.). Might be worth taking a bet on if he can become bigger Derrick Jones Jr, who is a nice rotation piece.

Any defensive player is a yes for me.

 

[scott]

Anybody have interest in trading a couple mediocre second rounders for Julian Philips out of Chicago? 6'8" in shoes, almost 7' wingspan, high level athlete, already a decent defensive player. I liked him decently well coming out of college, I think he's improved every year. His main issue is that he can't' shoot - yet, but he's improved his FT% up to >80% and he's still only 22. He can barely get minutes in Chicago, but seems like a buy-low candidate if he makes the shooting leap like a some of the Boston wings (Walsh, Minott, etc.). Might be worth taking a bet on if he can become bigger Derrick Jones Jr, who is a nice rotation piece.

I don’t know much about Phillips, but there was a good conversation on the latest Game Theory pod about finding guys and it aligns with my general point of view. Basically, find the guys that fit what you need and the style you are trying to play (duh) but you can’t just look for the guys who are fully actualized and the idealized version of what you think you need. Guys like TM3 or Lauri will cost a ton, because they are already fully actualized. Instead, look for the guys who have some flaw that you think your system can help you overcome, or that you feel can be fixed.

They used the example of Mark Williams, who is a horrible defender. But PHX saw a guy who fit with their good perimeter defenders (after they got Brooks) who can funnel traffic to him to take advantage of what he can do (block shots). All of a sudden, Williams looks like a more capable defender.

Is Phillips that guy who can play D and maybe shoot in the right role? If so, then (as Vecenie says) don’t be afraid to “overpay” for him (which in the context of a guy like that, give up more SRPs than his perceived value might be). Vecenie made the point that too many times teams are overly concerned with “winning the trade” when they really should only be concerned with getting their guy.

 

[SpursBills]

I don’t know much about Phillips, but there was a good conversation on the latest Game Theory pod about finding guys and it aligns with my general point of view. Basically, find the guys that fit what you need and the style you are trying to play (duh) but you can’t just look for the guys who are fully actualized and the idealized version of what you think you need. Guys like TM3 or Lauri will cost a ton, because they are already fully actualized. Instead, look for the guys who have some flaw that you think your system can help you overcome, or that you feel can be fixed.

They used the example of Mark Williams, who is a horrible defender. But PHX saw a guy who fit with their good perimeter defenders (after they got Brooks) who can funnel traffic to him to take advantage of what he can do (block shots). All of a sudden, Williams looks like a more capable defender.

Is Phillips that guy who can play D and maybe shoot in the right role? If so, then (as Vecenie says) don’t be afraid to “overpay” for him (which in the context of a guy like that, give up more SRPs than his perceived value might be). Vecenie made the point that too many times teams are overly concerned with “winning the trade” when they really should only be concerned with getting their guy.

Yeah I completely agree with this. I think the Spurs are going to try and emulate a lot of what made OKC successful - with 2 jumbo creators, what you probably need are a bunch of cheap interchangeable wings who can defend and shoot at minimum, and probably dribble/pass ideally. The other thing is that the rangy 3 and D wing is the lowest friction archetype in basketball, so you don't get diminishing returns as quickly by stacking them compared to if you stacked, say, short guard creators with iffy defense. The other issue is that Vassell at some point will probably be traded, so the sooner you have someone in the pipeline who can develop and provide a portion of his role at a fraction of the salary, the easier it'll be to stomach his loss when the time comes. Maybe a 22 year old raw wing isn't ready to contribute now, but 2-3 years from now when a hard decision needs to be made re Vassell, that raw wing might be 24-25 and be more ready to step into a bigger role.

I don't know if Phillips is that guy, but he might have the potential to be. Normally I'd say just try and sign Sochan to a cheap contract to see if he can turn things around, but I think that not getting extended this past year might have broken something in him mentally given his complete dogshit play this year. In general for stacking useful wings on the cheap, I'm looking at draft picks from 3-5 years ago with decent dimensions and college statistical indicators of goodness that just haven't panned out for one reason or another. Josh Minott was probably the most obvious one of these guys who I picked up on a year too late - 3.1 STL%, 5.4 BLK%, 13% OREB%, and a 1:1 AST:TO as a freshman in a guy with a good frame is a guy worth taking a flyer on to see if his shooting translates. Phillips isn't that, but he's just another buy-low candidate that has the potential to return good value in a low-friction mold.

 

[scott]

To your point about emulating OKC, @SpursBills, much of this discussion on the Game Theory pod was about OKC. One thing they do that I sure as hope we emulate is that they don’t punt in any aspect of their 15 man roster. The end of their bench is still pounding people because they draft the guys that fit what they want to do and they don’t just punt SRPs or roster spots.

I’m willing to give the FO a pass up to now, but if we’re going to get serious we have to take SRPs seriously and not have guys like Bismack taking up roster spots or even waste 2 ways on bums like Minix or Ingram. DJG is the right idea there. Even when we had Bassey and Champ on 2-ways that was a strong use of them… IDK why we’ve decided to punt on them this year.

 

[SpursBills]

To your point about emulating OKC, @SpursBills, much of this discussion on the Game Theory pod was about OKC. One thing they do that I sure as hope we emulate is that they don’t punt in any aspect of their 15 man roster. The end of their bench is still pounding people because they draft the guys that fit what they want to do and they don’t just punt SRPs or roster spots.

I’m willing to give the FO a pass up to now, but if we’re going to get serious we have to take SRPs seriously and not have guys like Bismack taking up roster spots or even waste 2 ways on bums like Minix or Ingram. DJG is the right idea there. Even when we had Bassey and Champ on 2-ways that was a strong use of them… IDK why we’ve decided to punt on them this year.

I hated the Ingram pick as soon as it happened, as much as someone can hate a second round pick. A 6'7 "forward" who shoots <50% at the rim as a junior and with a career FT% of 62 is such a low probability swing that it was basically like burning a pick.

Ultimately, making use of roster spots 10-13/15 has a couple benefits - yes it allows you to develop young guys so that in case injuries hit those guys can step up and keep your season afloat, but it's always an economical way of accumulating more draft picks. If a couple of your undrafted / second rounders really hit and you have confidence in your scouting department, you can sell them off for more picks. Ajay Mitchell today is probably worth at minimum a mid-first rounder and possibly more if they wanted to sell him off. That's one other way of keeping the cupboard replenished for a dynastic run and to ensure that you consistently get multiple bites at the apple every year while your core players have to be let go due cap constraints.

 

[STAT88]

I feel Devin has upped his trade value quite a bit so far this season. Averaging 16-4-2.5 with 1.5 stocks and shooting 44-40-86 splits. Advanced numbers are all very good. While showing he can play a role on a winning team.

You could probably get Murphy for Vassell + FRP + couple of SRPs. The FRP might be the 2027 Hawks pick or 2029 Spurs. Salaries are almost identical, Pels would need to throw in a small filler like Hawkins who they have pretty much given up on.

They could want to take a flyer on Sochan in that case you throw him in and take back Saddiq Bey and Hawkins.

Getting Matkovic would be nice but I think the Pels still view him as a positive asset so less willing to part with him.

Would be great to get Herb too but that complicates things due to contract and injury history and diminishing performances the last couple of years.

Brian Wright offering Joe Dumars Vassell + 1 FRP for Trey Murphy.

 

[Ice009]

Yeah, Trey Murphy is much better to DV in my opinion . No chance the Spurs get him for what we'd offer.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I'll throw in Saddiq Bey. 6'8'', can shoot the 3, makes 6.6 million with another year on his deal.

 

[spursfanfromafar]

Anybody have interest in trading a couple mediocre second rounders for Julian Philips out of Chicago? 6'8" in shoes, almost 7' wingspan, high level athlete, already a decent defensive player. I liked him decently well coming out of college, I think he's improved every year. His main issue is that he can't' shoot - yet, but he's improved his FT% up to >80% and he's still only 22. He can barely get minutes in Chicago, but seems like a buy-low candidate if he makes the shooting leap like a some of the Boston wings (Walsh, Minott, etc.). Might be worth taking a bet on if he can become bigger Derrick Jones Jr, who is a nice rotation piece.

Interesting suggestion, @SpursBills.

I took your cue and tried to find out similar low-usage, decent impact (EPM) players who are probably underplayed by their teams. These are some of the names that pop out - (ignoring rookies or rookie contracts who won't be traded) that could help the Spurs (ignoring poor 3P shooters except for Centers). Some are unheralded and some are veterans.

1. Jamison Battle (TOR), 6-7, 220. SF (unguaranteed, less than minimum two year contract), (shooting 59.1% on three, low volume).
2. Duop Reath (POR), 6-9, 245, C (unguaranteed minimum expiring contract)
3. Pat Connaughton (CHO), 6-5, 209, SF/SG (veteran, expiring contact, $9 million). Pretty much consistent 3 pt shooter and good defender for his position
4. Baylor Scheierman (BOS), 6-6, 205, SF/SG (on three year contract, but last two years are team options, $2.6 million). Very good 3 pt shooter and positive impact on defense. Part of a four headed unheralded core who are outperforming their salaries this season along with Jordan Walsh, Josh Minott and Neemias Quetta)
5. Marvin Bagley III (WAS), 6-10, 235 (PF/C) (minimum, expiring). No great shakes but better than Sochan & Biyombo as a PF/C.
6. Jay Huff (IND), 7-1, 240 (C). Very good defensive impact. Has a 3p threat (32% this year on volume - 4 attempts - shooting).
7. Precious Achiuwa (SAC), 6-8, 243 (C) (minimum expiring). Good all round defender, very good rebounder, decent shot blocking threat, athletic. But offers little on offense, and poor shooter, including on FTs (among worst in league). Best, a Biyombo replacement.

(We have already discussed Minott, Walsh and Quetta and I doubt Boston is letting any of them to leave).

 

[spursfanfromafar]

I'll throw in Saddiq Bey. 6'8'', can shoot the 3, makes 6.6 million with another year on his deal.

He could be a good fit for the Spurs. But I doubt if Dumars and his sidekick Troy Weaver will trade him. Apparently Weaver has been recruiting Bey wherever he went (Detroit, Washington and now Pels).

 

[Raven_]

Castle+Barnes+2 firsts for Alphabet. Do it mitch.

 

[LeBowen]

Castle+Barnes+2 firsts for Alphabet.

You do realize we'd be over the luxury line right away and would have to get rid of Devin's contract before the next season, anyway?

Do it mitch.

Mitch has as much authority on these things as the two of us.

 

[Raven_]

You do realize we'd be over the luxury line right away and would have to get rid of Devin's contract before the next season, anyway?


Mitch has as much authority on these things as the two of us.

I take it the meme got old

 

[Ice009]

I'll throw in Saddiq Bey. 6'8'', can shoot the 3, makes 6.6 million with another year on his deal.

I asked about trying to get him before when he was in Atlanta. No one here seemed interested.

He could be a good fit for the Spurs. But I doubt if Dumars and his sidekick Troy Weaver will trade him. Apparently Weaver has been recruiting Bey wherever he went (Detroit, Washington and now Pels).

Have we both screwed up? I thought he also played for Washington and had to recheck and it was DET, ATL, NOP. Edit : The year he missed was with the Wizards, so that is why I didn't see stats for Wizards games/year (that's the year I wanted the Spurs to try and sign him).

 

[Em-City]

4) People who think he's a neutral asset and don't think his contract is a problem for the next year or so.

That's where I'm at.

Yep

 

[CGD]

And just like that, the gap between Vassell and TM3 widened again lol.

 

[Ice009]

And just like that, the gap between Vassell and TM3 widened again lol.

That's one thing that really sucked. We didn't need him doing this again. He played great last time against us, and did it again this time.

 

[Shmurs]

And just like that, the gap between Vassell and TM3 widened again lol.

Vassell is a good player at 18 million. He is a poor player at 27 million. It is always going to be trick or treat with him. But 5th option Devin can lay an egg every once in a while and we live on. It is what it is.

 

[Uncle Oscar]

That's one thing that really sucked. We didn't need him doing this again. He played great last time against us, and did it again this time.

TM3 auditioning for the Spurs?

 

[Ice009]

TM3 auditioning for the Spurs?

I'd love it if he were auditioning for the Spurs, but more likely other teams will see it and maybe want to get him.

 

[NASpurs]

You do realize we'd be over the luxury line right away and would have to get rid of Devin's contract before the next season, anyway?


Mitch has as much authority on these things as the two of us.

It's a Mitch Kupchak joke from yesteryear.

 

[LeBowen]

It's a Mitch Kupchak joke from yesteryear.

Missed that one.

 

[scott]

I'll throw in Saddiq Bey. 6'8'', can shoot the 3, makes 6.6 million with another year on his deal.

I like that name, and makes a lot more sense than some of the pie-in-the-sky names thrown about.