Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[scott]

This was one of the best threads from the old site, so thought I'd fire it up again... especially because no matter how you feel about Devin, it seems more and more to me (based on the Cap Projections in this thread: https://baselinebums.com/threads/spurs-draft-assets-cap-situation-and-future-projections.33/) that we'll need to offload his salary in the next two years.

I'd do this now, if the Wizards would go for it:

Spurs Receive: Kris Middleton, some SRPs
Wizards Receive: Devin Vassell

I'm not sure if picks going the Spurs way is proper considering Middleton is expiring and Devin has 4 years left... but I do feel like Devin does offer some long term value to a team like WAS... although they just drafted Tre Johnson and have Kyshawn George who was a pretty good looking rookie. 4 years of Devin might be more than the Wizards would want to commit to.

Damnit, looking at WAS roster they have such a glut of young and/or mid SGs and SFs that I'm sure they'd love to dump Middleton but they probably definitely wouldn't want Devin crowding the rotation either.

SG: Tre/Kyshawn/AJ Johnson/Malaki BranHIM
SF: Bilal/Cam Whitmore/Justin Champagnie/Kispert/Dillon Jones

I will not give up in trying to find a home for Devin that isn't in the 210 area code.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Gotta keep going to the well that is the Sacramento Kings:

SAC: Vassell
SAS: some used rubbers and a pic of that bridge in Sac autographed by Brotha Lynch Hung

 

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t view Vassell as purely a salary dump. I’d be more interested in seeing if he can accept a 6th man role. Especially with Fox and Castle emerging. If he gets past the idea that he has to be an offensive 2nd or 3rd option he could be impactful. Scoring and shooting off the bench is valuable. But that’s beside the point of this thread. However I’d rehab his value in that context.

I think Vassell has more value attached to a 1st as partial matching salary for a legitimate player.

 

[scott]

I don’t view Vassell as purely a salary dump. I’d be more interested in seeing if he can accept a 6th man role. Especially with Fox and Castle emerging. If he gets past the idea that he has to be an offensive 2nd or 3rd option he could be impactful. Scoring and shooting off the bench is valuable. But that’s beside the point of this thread. However I’d rehab his value in that context.

I think Vassell has more value attached to a 1st as partial matching salary for a legitimate player.

I actually think Vassell has a chance to be quite useful going forward, and rehabbing his value is possible, but I am concerned about the potential for him continuing to decline in value and becoming a dump... and I don't think using him as matching salary for a legit player is going to to be in the cards any longer, at least not one who requires any kind of long term money. Once Wemby's max kicks in, it kind of locks that out until Fox rolls off.

 

[TDomination]

We need rebounding. I hate our rebounding efforts.

I heard some fake rumors about bam adebayo was someone the spurs were interested in and it got me interested in that idea.

I’d take Bam and give them vassell and some picks. Not sure if that would work but I would be interested in that for sure.

 

[dn0774]

I'm far from a Vassell guy; the offensive trajectory he was on going into last year didn't just stagnate, it regressed. I also understand defense is a young mans game but considering his age he should be way better and more competitive at it than he is. He is always dinged up, too. That being said, I have some slim hope that his foot injury/surgery last summer set him back and that he can get on track this season.

His current contract puts him at basically neutral value in an outgoing trade. It just seems that the usual Spurs trade partners (victims?) all have a glut of empty calorie guards already which makes Devin even less enticing to them. Vassell's archetype (score first, meh or worse defense guards) is the least valuable it has ever been. May as well keep him and hope he can simplify his offense to be more catch and shoot and less dribble drive. Perhaps his value can be rehabbed if he can get off to a hot start.

 

[dn0774]

We need rebounding. I hate our rebounding efforts.

I heard some fake rumors about bam adebayo was someone the spurs were interested in and it got me interested in that idea.

I’d take Bam and give them vassell and some picks. Not sure if that would work but I would be interested in that for sure.

I think Fox and Bam have good history going back to college, I just don't see Riley letting Bam go without getting a king's ransom back. Riley seems to be unwilling to ever pull the cord completely and tank (probably due to being a preferred free agent/trade request destination).

 

[Corso]

Gotta keep going to the well that is the Sacramento Kings:

SAC: Vassell
SAS: some used rubbers and a pic of that bridge in Sac autographed by Brotha Lynch Hung

Dude... BLH. Putting the headphones on.

 

[BacktoBasics]

We need rebounding. I hate our rebounding efforts.

I heard some fake rumors about bam adebayo was someone the spurs were interested in and it got me interested in that idea.

I’d take Bam and give them vassell and some picks. Not sure if that would work but I would be interested in that for sure.

Bam would be a great addition. But I think that would cost you 3 firsts.

 

[Ariel]

If Spurs want to move Vassell from the books, they're not going to get a lot right now. Some basic frameworks I could think of that need some adjustment (but not a lot) in terms of assets and salary filler:

• Vassell + Keldon to Brooklyn for MPJ (2y)?
• Vassell to Orlando for Jonathan Isaac (1y gtd) + Goga Bitadze (2y) / M. Wagner (1y) + Tristan Da Silva / Noah Penda?
• Vassell to Miami for Andrew Wiggins (2y) / Norman Powell (1y) + Jaquez?
• Vassell to Chicago for Huerter (1y) + asset?
• Vassell to Cleveland for DeAndre Hunter (2y) / Struss (2) + filler?
• Vassell to Milwaukee for Kuzma (2y) + asset?
• Vassell to LA Clippers for John Collins (1y) ?
• Vassell to Toronto for RJ Barrett (2y) + asset?
• Vassell to Portland for RWIII (1y) + Thybulle (1y) + asset?
• Vassell + Sochan to Sacramento for DeRozan (1y) + Keon Ellis (1y) + asset?

Beware these are not sexy deals, it's just trying to shake off the last 2 years of Vassell's deal in case he becomes a big negative. If he can turn it around, he'll get more. But right now, I doubt it.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Dude... BLH. Putting the headphones on.

You know what the siccness is?

 

[scott]

• Vassell to Chicago for Huerter (1y) + asset?
• Vassell to Cleveland for DeAndre Hunter (2y) / Struss (2) + filler?

I'm way into these two.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Dude... BLH. Putting the headphones on.

Was just checking if you remembered the line from Siccmade

Bumped the shit outta Season of da Siccness in high school since one of my boys grew up with Brotha Lynch (and got a shoutout on the tape)

 

[Ariel]

I'm way into these two.

I'm not so sure it's so easy to find a taker for Vassell right now, which is why I think casting a broad net to poll interested teams is probably what they'd need to do, and work from there. These are some underwhelming but more realistic outcomes I could think of, for sure these are not what you hope for. I'd call NO first and ask for a swap for Trey Murphy if the delta is not too large, or try to include him for a star... but if it doesn't work and he doesn't pick up the pace, come February I'm calling these teams one by one.

 

[ambchang]

We need rebounding. I hate our rebounding efforts.

I heard some fake rumors about bam adebayo was someone the spurs were interested in and it got me interested in that idea.

I’d take Bam and give them vassell and some picks. Not sure if that would work but I would be interested in that for sure.

Can’t say I’m too excited about that spacing. I know bam has shot more and better from 3 last year but it’s still pretty meh, and his effectiveness took a step back.

If it’s only players I’d swap sochan for bam, but no way Miami will ever even think about that. Even sochan, Vassell and a bunch of picks likely won’t get it done.

Then there’s the salary. I don’t see the spurs being able to afford it.

 

[Arguendo]

We need rebounding. I hate our rebounding efforts.

Hopeful it was largely addressed this offseason, although the Spurs were tied for 7th in league in Adjusted Reb Chance %, so its not one of the biggest areas of concern and that's with Vic missing 1/2 the season and Barnes playing 82 games.

Kornet is elite being Top 25 overall in Reb%, top 5 in O%. Olynyk is very good Top 40 overall, Top 25 in O%. Vic is Top 5 on D%, but bad on O% being camped out at the 3 line. Sochan is Top 30 overall, Top 15 in O% to balance Wemby. Biyambo is Top 25 overall. We will have have 1 excellent rebounding big on the court at all times.
If Olynyk can play 15-20mpg over 65ish games a lot of our hypothetical issues problems are solved. He's shot 39.6% on 2.5/attempts over the past 3 yrs, taking 40% of his shots from deep and is above 50% from the corners in that time. Epitome of hussle guy. I think him and Kornet really help change the culture.

Oly, Kornet, Sochan, and Biyambo will bring the effort. I expect Castle will too, and Devin if he wants to get any touches.
I don't want Keldon to get any PT, but he puts in effort on the boards too, Top 50 overall, Top 30% on O.

The only problem player is Barnes and its not effort. Fox & Castle rebounded at the same rate as Barnes, that's solid for a guard, terrible for a PF. If Oly can take 15 minutes from Barnes/Sochan/KJ the rebound/3% balance is much much better overnight.

 

[koriwhat]

I don’t view Vassell as purely a salary dump. I’d be more interested in seeing if he can accept a 6th man role. Especially with Fox and Castle emerging. If he gets past the idea that he has to be an offensive 2nd or 3rd option he could be impactful. Scoring and shooting off the bench is valuable. But that’s beside the point of this thread. However I’d rehab his value in that context.

I think Vassell has more value attached to a 1st as partial matching salary for a legitimate player.

I too want to see if he accepts his role off the bench but he'll probably be a starter of ours. He'd be great off the bench but I don't think he sees himself as a reserve or a 6th man unfortunately. I hope the contrary though.

 

[koriwhat]

Bam would be a great addition. But I think that would cost you 3 firsts.

Not sure the amount of firsts but def a big haul. I have no takes on whether bam would be great as a Spur or not. I haven't seen enough of his play unfortunately.

 

[mo7888]

I'm not sure the timing is right to move Devin. Of the options Ariel mentioned i like the one with us getting Keon Ellis the best though. I think there could be better trades before the deadline than right now.

 

[Shmurs]

At this point, there’s nothing to do. Friendship squad is locked in until at least February and then maybe a real starting wing will be available.

How about Keldon for Mamu?

 

[Kick-Stand]

At this point, there’s nothing to do. Friendship squad is locked in until at least February and then maybe a real starting wing will be available.

How about Keldon for Mamu?

Kelon's two remaining years dosn't hurt the Spurs balance sheet the way Vassell's four remaining do so dumping him isn't a priority. His trade value has already tanked to zero anyways so no rush to get off him. But Vassell's trade value hasn't bottomed out yet so might be able to still get off him without having to give up firsts. One big reason I was wishing hard to pry John Collins out of Utah with that contract. Get a positive value player who fits the roster's needs while dumping a guy owed long term money who is pretty useless with Castle and Harper here.

 

[Shmurs]

Kelon's two remaining years dosn't hurt the Spurs balance sheet the way Vassell's four remaining do so dumping him isn't a priority. His trade value has already tanked to zero anyways so no rush to get off him. But Vassell's trade value hasn't bottomed out yet so might be able to still get off him without having to give up firsts. One big reason I was wishing hard to pry John Collins out of Utah with that contract. Get a positive value player who fits the roster's needs while dumping a guy owed long term money who is pretty useless with Castle and Harper here.

Devin, Jeremy, the ATL picks. It’s tough to say which has declined in value the most over the last 12 months.

 

[spurraider21]

Kelon's two remaining years dosn't hurt the Spurs balance sheet the way Vassell's four remaining do so dumping him isn't a priority. His trade value has already tanked to zero anyways so no rush to get off him. But Vassell's trade value hasn't bottomed out yet so might be able to still get off him without having to give up firsts. One big reason I was wishing hard to pry John Collins out of Utah with that contract. Get a positive value player who fits the roster's needs while dumping a guy owed long term money who is pretty useless with Castle and Harper here.

fine, no more collins trade. guess we just have to package Vassell and Kelon for Lauri

 

[Exstatic]

fine, no more collins trade. guess we just have to package Vassell and Kelon for Lauri

Lauri went from a great value to albatross in one contract. You cannot get him, and keep either,of our young guards.

 

[spurraider21]

Lauri went from a great value to albatross in one contract. You cannot get him, and keep either,of our young guards.

i mean he was always going to get an extension. trading for him 1 season earlier didnt suddenly mean he was going to agree to continue playing at 24mil per year or whatever he was getting at the time. if you were willing to deal for him then, you should be willing to do so now. the difference is with his bigger contract its harder to make the money work, but the spurs are equipped with contracts to get it done if they wanted to