Game Thread Spurs (25-9) vs Trailblazers (15-20) (Sat 01/03/26) [7:00 PM CDT]

Deni Avdija has real star power. I was hopeful this summer when WSH was letting him go that maybe Spurs could get him. Played well tonight. Seems like he botched some FTs last game so he paid us back in this one. The Nov 26 game he went 2-8 in the 4th including 4 straight misses I think. Can not afford an L in such winnable games like tonight. Imagine if they had the 7 inactives including Grant, Jrue, etc.
 
That was depressing and the schedule gets 100 times worse soon
It really does and at the end of the day not being healthy is just a killer. It’s impossible to truly unlock the potential of a team that is always missing players. We have to get whole and stay whole. If we do that, I think this team can win 60 games and lock in that 2 seed.
 
It really does and at the end of the day not being healthy is just a killer. It’s impossible to truly unlock the potential of a team that is always missing players. We have to get whole and stay whole. If we do that, I think this team can win 60 games and lock in that 2 seed.
They had players out. They were on back to back too. We just can defend the three. Its scheme. We have the athletes for it.Spencer has improved it some from prior years but not enough.
 
The closeouts are horrible, we're terrified of them blowing past, but I'd much rather run them off the line and guide them inside than give up open threes. The coaching staff apparently disagree, because it's the scheme.
The great Dick Sweeny
 
The bench was a let down. Keldon, Kelly and Harper were like a combined 5-28 fg. Honestly, if just one bench player shoots better we probably survive that game. Going to need a Dylan's dad attendance W-L stat tracker at this point because it's like 0-2 right now, I think?
 
The bench was a let down. Keldon, Kelly and Harper were like a combined 5-28 fg. Honestly, if just one bench player shoots better we probably survive that game. Going to need a Dylan's dad attendance W-L stat tracker at this point because it's like 0-2 right now, I think?

Yes, 0-2.

Spurs definitely need to ban Ron Harper for the playoffs :st-lol:
 
That was one of the games where the difference in 3 PT volume and makes was, well, the difference maker. The Spurs' "headless chicken zone defensive scheme" didn't help matters in that regard, either. Also, Castle, Harper, Keldon and Co. clearly had trouble finishing against Clingan around the rim.
Fox only taking 14 shots in a game like this won't cut it, but then again, as @LeBowen has pointed out, it seems like the coaching staff wants him to take a back seat and let Castle run the show early on in games. While that strategy might be great for the posters here whose main objective seems to be maximizing Castle('s stats), it's not always great for people who want to see the Spurs maximizing team success.
 
Will happen when we expect him to take the back seat early on and always be able to turn it on when needed in the second half.
No other team does that to their best perimeter scorer.
This has nothing to do with the Spurs or their younger guards. Fox has been doing this for years now, just waiting to be the hero in the fourth quarter and being extremely passive before then - especially after he won clutch player of the year in 2023. It's very very frustrating as a big fan of his
 
This has nothing to do with the Spurs or their younger guards. Fox has been doing this for years now, just waiting to be the hero in the fourth quarter and being extremely passive before then - especially after he won clutch player of the year in 2023. It's very very frustrating as a big fan of his
I'm not going to pretend I followed him closely in Sacramento, but this season it's obvious Castle is on the ball more because he can't space the floor.
We're not an organization that would let players decide gameplan things by themselves, Fox plays off the ball early on in most games.

Before the season started, most of us were afraid of how our spacing will work because none of our guards are good shooters.
Then Fox started shooting almost 40%, Barnes was mr. 100% and Devin is also at 40%.

Then Devin goes down, Barnes, Fox and Champ regress to the mean outside of Champ's career game against the Knicks and both of our young guards are as bad as advertised from 3pt line.

I'm not going to take away the things we've done so far, but a lot of our wins don't happen if everyone was shooting on their expected level instead of overperforming.
There's also Keldon at 43%, what's going to happen when he also regresses to the mean?

This looks like a full doomer mode post now, but modern NBA is all about 3pt shooting and our shooting has been horrible ever since the last OKC game.
Expect teams to dare us to shoot even more over the next few week and we're in for a lot more Ls if above mentioned players can't find their shot again.

Back to the initial point, it's a really difficult situation with Castle.
I'm the first one to say that a lot of his struggles come from being the protagonist on both ends of the floor.
Physical game on offense with constant drives into the paint, getting bumped and falling down, then having to defend the best perimeter players on the other end.
Wears you down and if you ask me that's the reason for Castle's struggles.

But we can't have him off the ball because opponents will defend us 4v5.
Fox can always get going against average teams like the Blazers, but we decided to prioritize Castle's development.
We'll see where it gets us.
In reality, we just need our franchise player back, did well enough without him, but at some point you can't expect to keep winning at .750 rate without your best player.

Also, welcome to the forum. :D
 
I'm not going to pretend I followed him closely in Sacramento, but this season it's obvious Castle is on the ball more because he can't space the floor.
We're not an organization that would let players decide gameplan things by themselves, Fox plays off the ball early on in most games.

Before the season started, most of us were afraid of how our spacing will work because none of our guards are good shooters.
Then Fox started shooting almost 40%, Barnes was mr. 100% and Devin is also at 40%.

Then Devin goes down, Barnes, Fox and Champ regress to the mean outside of Champ's career game against the Knicks and both of our young guards are as bad as advertised from 3pt line.

I'm not going to take away the things we've done so far, but a lot of our wins don't happen if everyone was shooting on their expected level instead of overperforming.
There's also Keldon at 43%, what's going to happen when he also regresses to the mean?

This looks like a full doomer mode post now, but modern NBA is all about 3pt shooting and our shooting has been horrible ever since the last OKC game.
Expect teams to dare us to shoot even more over the next few week and we're in for a lot more Ls if above mentioned players can't find their shot again.

Back to the initial point, it's a really difficult situation with Castle.
I'm the first one to say that a lot of his struggles come from being the protagonist on both ends of the floor.
Physical game on offense with constant drives into the paint, getting bumped and falling down, then having to defend the best perimeter players on the other end.
Wears you down and if you ask me that's the reason for Castle's struggles.

But we can't have him off the ball because opponents will defend us 4v5.
Fox can always get going against average teams like the Blazers, but we decided to prioritize Castle's development.
We'll see where it gets us.
In reality, we just need our franchise player back, did well enough without him, but at some point you can't expect to keep winning at .750 rate without your best player.

Also, welcome to the forum. :D
Thank you for the welcome and insight. I was on ST for years since the 2006 playoff series with the Kings so I already love it here and feel like I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the members. Not saying Fox has say in terms of gameplan and such, just that he's formed the habit of not even looking for his shot in an aggressive way until the 4th quarter and it can be pretty infuriating at times because we all know what he can do when he's laser focused. Sometimes he just has to be pissed off to really rip a teams head off but now that he's playing with a player like Wemby, some of those faults won't stand out as much. As far as Castle goes, I wouldn't worry too much about his shot or development in that area. I think he'll gradually improve, especially as the years go by - It's just that folks are a bit more impatient than usual because of how quickly things have gone from no playoffs to legit contender because of Wemby's trajectory and the added depth to the roster.
 
I think these are the kind of growing pains that any team trying to be a contender will go through. The Spurs have some fascinating ingredients for contention but they also have weaknesses that are part of what makes the ingredients strong and fascinating. Getting Castle and Harper to develop jumpers is the easy answer to the weaknesses but it is only easy on paper.

I think the Spurs will have to continue to trust the wings/forwards to bail out the bad shooting by contributing - Champs has exceeded expectations and still remains competent, Barnes is going through a slump, Keldon is over performing and Devin is injured and will be away for some weeks. So the Spurs will go through ups and downs.

The guards - Fox, Castle and Harper will continue to be the centrepieces of the offense and how the Spurs will continue to be in contention while Wemby will be the defensive ace and the offensive wildcard. Fox, despite some hiccups has been an All Star all season. Castle carries a massive workload and has exceeded expectations and Harper already has crossed rookie limits in terms of doing the difficult things well. He will have ups and downs like any rookie and requires patience for further development, especially the ability to play a long season and develop consistency.

I think the Spurs can mitigate some of their weaknesses by getting one more good three point shooter by trading Sochan who as things stand is a lost cause. I thought the same of Keldon last year but there wasn't anything structurally problematic about his jumper unlike Sochan's. So we just have to hope that the Spurs will try harder to get a movement shooter and a big wing like say Sam Hauser or a decent 3 and D option like Herb Jones or Derrick Jones Jr for Sochan and change.

When Wemby returns healthy ..some of the weaknesses will dissolve on their own too. I am not that concerned about the backup C issue. A third string C like Bassey can be easily picked up if and when necessary.
 
I'm not going to pretend I followed him closely in Sacramento, but this season it's obvious Castle is on the ball more because he can't space the floor.
We're not an organization that would let players decide gameplan things by themselves, Fox plays off the ball early on in most games.

Before the season started, most of us were afraid of how our spacing will work because none of our guards are good shooters.
Then Fox started shooting almost 40%, Barnes was mr. 100% and Devin is also at 40%.

Then Devin goes down, Barnes, Fox and Champ regress to the mean outside of Champ's career game against the Knicks and both of our young guards are as bad as advertised from 3pt line.

I'm not going to take away the things we've done so far, but a lot of our wins don't happen if everyone was shooting on their expected level instead of overperforming.
There's also Keldon at 43%, what's going to happen when he also regresses to the mean?

This looks like a full doomer mode post now, but modern NBA is all about 3pt shooting and our shooting has been horrible ever since the last OKC game.
Expect teams to dare us to shoot even more over the next few week and we're in for a lot more Ls if above mentioned players can't find their shot again.

Back to the initial point, it's a really difficult situation with Castle.
I'm the first one to say that a lot of his struggles come from being the protagonist on both ends of the floor.
Physical game on offense with constant drives into the paint, getting bumped and falling down, then having to defend the best perimeter players on the other end.
Wears you down and if you ask me that's the reason for Castle's struggles.

But we can't have him off the ball because opponents will defend us 4v5.
Fox can always get going against average teams like the Blazers, but we decided to prioritize Castle's development.
We'll see where it gets us.
In reality, we just need our franchise player back, did well enough without him, but at some point you can't expect to keep winning at .750 rate without your best player.

Also, welcome to the forum. :D
we knew going into the season that we were lacking shooting, two of our young stars (Castle and Harper) are pretty bad 3-point shooters, Fox and Wemby are just average so we rely on Barnes and Champagnie who seem to be streaky even when open. We need one player who makes pretty much all of them when wide open
 
While the details are very different, overall it seems like we’re where ORL and HOU were a year ago. A really good team with some glaring weaknesses, but too good to tinker with in season so you wait to “see what we have” in the playoffs before addressing your concerns in the summer.

That is what both the Magic and Rockets did, and they’re both worse for it, honestly. Hopefully we don’t go down that same road.
 
While the details are very different, overall it seems like we’re where ORL and HOU were a year ago. A really good team with some glaring weaknesses, but too good to tinker with in season so you wait to “see what we have” in the playoffs before addressing your concerns in the summer.

That is what both the Magic and Rockets did, and they’re both worse for it, honestly. Hopefully we don’t go down that same road.
I think the issue with Houston they swung big and when they lost Vanfleet they have no real PG when needed plus apron issues now; Orlando swung big as while I am of the opinion we have to improve at the margins and it should start now before the trade deadline why I was against all the Gannis trade talk.
Thats my view I think stay away from star level players
 
I think the issue with Houston they swung big and when they lost Vanfleet they have no real PG when needed plus apron issues now; Orlando swung big as while I am of the opinion we have to improve at the margins and it should start now before the trade deadline why I was against all the Gannis trade talk.
Thats my view I think stay away from star level players
Agree with you 100%

We don’t need more star power, which is also why I don’t like TMIII ideas either. Herb Jones sounds more our flavor of ice cream right now
 
While the details are very different, overall it seems like we’re where ORL and HOU were a year ago. A really good team with some glaring weaknesses, but too good to tinker with in season so you wait to “see what we have” in the playoffs before addressing your concerns in the summer.

That is what both the Magic and Rockets did, and they’re both worse for it, honestly. Hopefully we don’t go down that same road.
I'd say we're where they were a year ago because Wemby can't stay healthy.

If that calf injury hadn't happened, we would've been chasing OKC right now, imo.
First we had to integrate Fox, then Wemby went down, then we played him off the bench and struggled to incorporate him back into the offense as a starter and the shooting slump happened.

We clearly have way more firepower than the Rockets had last season, but only if Wemby is healthy and gets back to playing ~32mpg.
It's really frustrating that it already looks like we're on the verge of greatness at times, but then disaster strikes over and over again and we just don't have enough opportunities to play with the full roster.
 
I disagree. I think we have some pretty obvious and glaring holes that needed patched, and until we do we aren’t going to be true title contenders. Wemby isn’t going to be able to drag us past our shortcomings anymore than Jokic or Giannis has been able to drag DEN past theirs. DEN and MIL won when they finally put together coherent teams. We need to do the same.
 
I disagree. I think we have some pretty obvious and glaring holes that needed patched, and until we do we aren’t going to be true title contenders. Wemby isn’t going to be able to drag us past our shortcomings anymore than Jokic or Giannis has been able to drag DEN past theirs. DEN and MIL won when they finally put together coherent teams. We need to do the same.
In some other seasons we wouldn't stand a chance, but other than OKC that seems to be a good matchup for us, everyone has glaring flaws as big, if not bigger than ours.

Rockets have had their Sengun/KD/Amen core available in almost every game and their offense grinds to a halt in a lot of game because of their non-existant guard play.
Amen is a playmaking wing and Sheppard is a shooting guard in point guard's body.

Nuggets are probably the team that would deal with us the easiest, but they can't stay healthy. 4/5 starters and Valanciunas are out.
The only legit threat to OKC in full sense of that word, imo.

Timberwolves don't have a point guard and are just a strange team. Streaky, inconsistent, moody, call it what you will.
Randle is back to his usual level of being a detriment in a lot of games.

Lakers defense is an absolute joke, they'll get shredded by everyone. Lebron is washed, Luka is out of shape and can't stop complaining to the refs.

Warriors are scary because Curry can still go supernova, but we're surely a better team when everyone is healthy.

Others aren't worth a mention, imo.

Then I guess it depends on what's your definition of a contender?
Can we get past the Nuggets and OKC if everyone is healthy? I don't think so.
But I think we should be beating every other team if Wemby/Fox are on their best level.
Then, who knows, maybe OKC and Nuggets get matched up in the second round? Injuries dictate everything and I think that even with those flaws we're a legit playoff team that can hurt anyone.

Also, everyone talks about inexperience which I agree with and it will probably be the reason for our elimination, but on the other hand it's really difficult to play against teams that have no pressure on them.
Nuggets have to win, so does OKC to an extent. We steal a game, shooters get hot and we're on Pacers trajectory.

Third best team in the West with nothing to lose. I don't think anyone wants to face Wemby in the playoffs if he's healthy, despite our team's glaring flaws in some areas.
 
Agree with you 100%

We don’t need more star power, which is also why I don’t like TMIII ideas either. Herb Jones sounds more our flavor of ice cream right now
I also like Jones, but I wish they could take a bigger swing. At 6’7”, Jones doesn’t help with rebounding or really any inside the lane deficiencies the Spurs have. I like Toppin more. He’s set to return from injury next month and I don’t know why the Pacers would want to help their winning percentage this year. He’s on a cheaper contract than Jones, shoots about the same, rebounds better and they’re the same age. Just throwing in my 2 cents.
 
In some other seasons we wouldn't stand a chance, but other than OKC that seems to be a good matchup for us, everyone has glaring flaws as big, if not bigger than ours.

Rockets have had their Sengun/KD/Amen core available in almost every game and their offense grinds to a halt in a lot of game because of their non-existant guard play.
Amen is a playmaking wing and Sheppard is a shooting guard in point guard's body.

Nuggets are probably the team that would deal with us the easiest, but they can't stay healthy. 4/5 starters and Valanciunas are out.
The only legit threat to OKC in full sense of that word, imo.

Timberwolves don't have a point guard and are just a strange team. Streaky, inconsistent, moody, call it what you will.
Randle is back to his usual level of being a detriment in a lot of games.

Lakers defense is an absolute joke, they'll get shredded by everyone. Lebron is washed, Luka is out of shape and can't stop complaining to the refs.

Warriors are scary because Curry can still go supernova, but we're surely a better team when everyone is healthy.

Others aren't worth a mention, imo.

Then I guess it depends on what's your definition of a contender?
Can we get past the Nuggets and OKC if everyone is healthy? I don't think so.
But I think we should be beating every other team if Wemby/Fox are on their best level.
Then, who knows, maybe OKC and Nuggets get matched up in the second round? Injuries dictate everything and I think that even with those flaws we're a legit playoff team that can hurt anyone.

Also, everyone talks about inexperience which I agree with and it will probably be the reason for our elimination, but on the other hand it's really difficult to play against teams that have no pressure on them.
Nuggets have to win, so does OKC to an extent. We steal a game, shooters get hot and we're on Pacers trajectory.

Third best team in the West with nothing to lose. I don't think anyone wants to face Wemby in the playoffs if he's healthy, despite our team's glaring flaws in some areas.
Could we possible win a title this year? Maybe. But our team has zero playoff experience to carry us to that kind of run. Do you want to go all in with future assets and cap inflexibility to take a chance that we buck history and make a championship run with this inexperienced squad? That's not a bet I'd personally make at this juncture.

I think you're just too impatient. We're on the right path, let's let it play out. This FO has demonstrated they have a plan, and right now the plan is ahead of schedule. No need to make rash moves like HOU and ORL did. I'd rather stay patient and follow Spurs-protege Sam Presti's approach. They figured out what they needed after they got bounced by DAL, and went out and got iHart and Caruso. We have our core, we just need those fringe moves. It one appears now, I'm sure the team will jump on it... but if it doesn't, the only way to force it is by overpaying. I'll pass on that.
 
I also like Jones, but I wish they could take a bigger swing. At 6’7”, Jones doesn’t help with rebounding or really any inside the lane deficiencies the Spurs have. I like Toppin more. He’s set to return from injury next month and I don’t know why the Pacers would want to help their winning percentage this year. He’s on a cheaper contract than Jones, shoots about the same, rebounds better and they’re the same age. Just throwing in my 2 cents.
I brought up Jones not as a specific target, but just a tier of player who more fits what we need (in contrast to the TMIII tier of player). If Obi Toppin is what you mean by big swing, I'm on board (because I'd put him in the same tier as Herb Jones). If you mean big swing in terms of a higher tier of player (like TMIII or Lauri), then I don't agree, but that's just my opinion.
 
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