Player Sochan's Extension Watch

spurfan overreacting to the one game. Teams aren't trying at this stage of the season. fatigue hasn't set in. the playoffs are all about matchups and sweltering defense. sochan will play when the matchups demand it until carter bryant outplays him or the spurs get a all star wing talent (Castle is a tweener )
 
SpursBrazil said:
Johnson said the lack of an extension does not change the coaching staff’s view of how the 22-year-old Sochan fits in the short term.
Sochan missed Wednesday’s opener while recovering from a calf strain.
“Jeremy’s been an integral part of our team for a few years now,” Johnson said. “We view him as someone we are going to look towards as a defensive tone-setter and a guy that can help us in so many different ways.”

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More quotes from coach:
"He's a young kid; he's got talent coming out of his body in every pore. It's just a matter of corralling and channeling in a certain way- He's a young man, he's very committed, focused, wants to be a good player, works hard in practice, so he's going to be a good part of our program for a long time"
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From coach Pop on Sidy Cissoko, a few months before Spurs sent his ass to Sacramento
 
Wemby likes to operate out on the perimeter, folks. I think he'll do his damage all over the court, so clearly you stick a non-shooter like Sochan near the dunker's spot. Or you have him set more picks & operate as the roll man.

See if he & Wemby can work some of the short roll action GSW/Draymond is famous for. He'll never be the level of playmaker that Green, yet I think he can make some of those reads & passes to a 7'5"/7'6" guy.

 
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Why tf would we want Sochan as the roll man when we have a 7’5 monster? Makes no sense. Wemby shouldn’t adjust his role for Sochan. It should be the other way around.

And in short stints they can play together and have Sochan be the Green role but Sochan isn’t that good at it. And Green is only good at it bc of Steph Curry. Have you seen Green play when Steph doesn’t play? He can’t do any of the shit in the video. The defense completely overreacts to Steph shooting a 3 and sends two people at him which frees Draymond to play 4v3.

We don’t have a Steph and teams aren’t going to double team Wemby on the perimeter. They’re going to beg Wemby to take those perimeter shots bc they have no shot of stopping him if he’s close to the basket. So a Sochan/Wemby pick n roll isn’t going to be nearly as effective as you think it is in the long run
 
KobesAchilles said:
Why tf would we want Sochan as the roll man when we have a 7’5 monster? Makes no sense. Wemby shouldn’t adjust his role for Sochan. It should be the other way around.

And in short stints they can play together and have Sochan be the Green role but Sochan isn’t that good at it. And Green is only good at it bc of Steph Curry. Have you seen Green play when Steph doesn’t play? He can’t do any of the shit in the video. The defense completely overreacts to Steph shooting a 3 and sends two people at him which frees Draymond to play 4v3.

We don’t have a Steph and teams aren’t going to double team Wemby on the perimeter. They’re going to beg Wemby to take those perimeter shots bc they have no shot of stopping him if he’s close to the basket. So a Sochan/Wemby pick n roll isn’t going to be nearly as effective as you think it is in the long run
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Cause Wemby doesn't set good screens (high center of gravity) & his gravity away from the ball would create advantages. Wemby also is good at getting the pick set for him & creating mismatches or finding the roller.

Never said to change what Victor is doing well - it's only been one game - to accommodate a role player. That is foolish & wasn't what I meant at all. I'm just thinking of ways they could use Jeremy instead sticking him in the corner on offense.

And I realize we don't have a Steph Curry type, but off-ball cutters and good outside shooting can replace some of that. Cutting & moving without the ball is something that is historically important in Spurs' offenses.

Sochan isn't the first non-shooter in the NBA, so figuring out how to negate that flaw is key (for when he's getting minutes), IMO.
 
J_Posse301 said:
Wemby likes to operate out on the perimeter, folks. I think he'll do his damage all over the court, so clearly you stick a non-shooter like Sochan near the dunker's spot. Or you have him set more picks & operate as the roll man.

See if he & Wemby can work some of the short roll action GSW/Draymond is famous for. He'll never be the level of playmaker that Green, yet I think he can make some of those reads & passes to a 7'5"/7'6" guy.

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Sochan can't make those reads nor those passes when he occasionally makes the reads. I don't understand those comparisons tbh.

He's clumsy with the ball and head down when he gets it. He can't create his own shot in the post bc his ball handling is too weak and he can't matchup vs athletic 4s-5s.

The only way to make Sochan shine is to adapt our whole offense to him, leaving him the offensive rebounds and spoon feeding him in the paint. Why should we sacrifice Wemby for him??

I genuinely think there's an "affection" factor from PATFO and some fans that refuse to admit the obvious. We'd have all loved for it to work, he's a cool kid and has loves defending but he already had +3y and places are limited.
 
PanameSpur said:
Sochan can't make those reads nor those passes when he occasionally makes the reads. I don't understand those comparisons tbh.

He's clumsy with the ball and head down when he gets it. He can't create his own shot in the post bc his ball handling is too weak and he can't matchup vs athletic 4s-5s.

The only way to make Sochan shine is to adapt our whole offense to him, leaving him the offensive rebounds and spoon feeding him in the paint. Why should we sacrifice Wemby for him??

I genuinely think there's an "affection" factor from PATFO and some fans that refuse to admit the obvious. We'd have all loved for it to work, he's a cool kid and has loves defending but he already had +3y and places are limited.
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Affection days are over. Wright is going to start experiencing winning as the top dog in the org. That’s a type of feeling you aren’t going to trade for hair dye and an accent. Jeremy is the ugly girlfriend that you had before you went to the gym, bought nice clothes and started caring about your hair. She’s not going to move the needle when you see what’s out there now.

Your 2nd paragraph is a good nod to those games where he gets his counting stats. They seem to always be at the expense of someone else’s numbers. Wemby can grab his defensive rebounds, for example. And when he’s triple teamed, Jeremy gets his points too. It’s never like Jeremy has his game but Vic also puts up 25 and 10 and whoever the guard is puts up 17 with 9 assists. It’s just feeding the make a wish kid a good box score.
 
J_Posse301 said:
Cause Wemby doesn't set good screens (high center of gravity) & his gravity away from the ball would create advantages. Wemby also is good at getting the pick set for him & creating mismatches or finding the roller.

Never said to change what Victor is doing well - it's only been one game - to accommodate a role player. That is foolish & wasn't what I meant at all. I'm just thinking of ways they could use Jeremy instead sticking him in the corner on offense.

And I realize we don't have a Steph Curry type, but off-ball cutters and good outside shooting can replace some of that. Cutting & moving without the ball is something that is historically important in Spurs' offenses.

Sochan isn't the first non-shooter in the NBA, so figuring out how to negate that flaw is key (for when he's getting minutes), IMO.
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In your video you posted literally every pass Green made was bc two people jumped out on Curry. Green himself isn’t good. He’s a product of Curry.

Nobody is going to jump out on a Sochan/Wemby pick n roll and tbh I don’t want Sochan running my offense at all. Dude isn’t good at it.
 
Shmurs said:
Affection days are over. Wright is going to start experiencing winning as the top dog in the org. That’s a type of feeling you aren’t going to trade for hair dye and an accent. Jeremy is the ugly girlfriend that you had before you went to the gym, bought nice clothes and started caring about your hair. She’s not going to move the needle when you see what’s out there now.

Your 2nd paragraph is a good nod to those games where he gets his counting stats. They seem to always be at the expense of someone else’s numbers. Wemby can grab his defensive rebounds, for example. And when he’s triple teamed, Jeremy gets his points too. It’s never like Jeremy has his game but Vic also puts up 25 and 10 and whoever the guard is puts up 17 with 9 assists. It’s just feeding the make a wish kid a good box score.
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I really hope you're right but I just don't trust PATFO.

"Fool me once..."
 
We might still have this issue where even a modest amount of ball movement leads to open 3’s. Thats not Jeremy’s specialty. We’re ok-ish with iso D. We need more length and athleticism to cover for what seems to be an iffy scheme.

We probably lose last night if he plays because he overall makes us worse and it was a close game.
 
Shmurs said:
We might still have this issue where even a modest amount of ball movement leads to open 3’s. Thats not Jeremy’s specialty. We’re ok-ish with iso D. We need more length and athleticism to cover for what seems to be an iffy scheme.

We probably lose last night if he plays because he overall makes us worse and it was a close game.
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Even though the stats continuously showed otherwise.

Not saying sochan is good because he’s a role player, but instead it just spewing things over and over as if they are facts, get some backup.
 
The offensive issue with a non shooting forward isn't only the pairing with Wemby, it's the fit with Spurs' backcourt. Fox, Castle and likely Harper are players who like to drive to the basket. If an opponent forward can sag off his player and clog the paint, it will hurt Spurs' guards. There is also Wemby's willingness to play closer to the basket to be more efficient who doesn't fit with a non-shooting forward.
The open question after that is: how much will that non-shooting hurt the offense?

My stance is that it will hurt Spurs' offense a lot and what Sochan can bring in other aspects of the game (defense and rebounding) is nowhere near enough to compensate that.

Sochan's numbers were fine last season with Spurs but roster has changed a lot since that by going from a Paul/Vassell to a Fox/Castle backcourt.
 
ambchang said:
Even though the stats continuously showed otherwise.

Not saying sochan is good because he’s a role player, but instead it just spewing things over and over as if they are facts, get some backup.
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Those stats you cite are riddled with contradictions. I could give you his height, speed, wingspan and vertical leap and tell you that’s not good enough for a versatile wing defender who is more than just a guy with a high motor and low dignity. I’m not going to go spend time this morning looking that up because we all watch this guy and see he’s not a good athlete and does not have good defensive range or slipperiness.
 
Bruno said:
The offensive issue with a non shooting forward isn't only the pairing with Wemby, it's the fit with Spurs' backcourt. Fox, Castle and likely Harper are players who like to drive to the basket. If an opponent forward can sag off his player and clog the paint, it will hurt Spurs' guards. There is also Wemby's willingness to play closer to the basket to be more efficient who doesn't fit with a non-shooting forward.
The open question after that is: how much will that non-shooting hurt the offense?

My stance is that it will hurt Spurs' offense a lot and what Sochan can bring in other aspects of the game (defense and rebounding) is nowhere near enough to compensate that.

Sochan's numbers were fine last season with Spurs but roster has changed a lot since that by going from a Paul/Vassell to a Fox/Castle backcourt.
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Spot on. The Spurs need shooters, not players that are going to drag the defense into the paint clogging it up more and more for Victor and the guards.
 
Shmurs said:
Those stats you cite are riddled with contradictions. I could give you his height, speed, wingspan and vertical leap and tell you that’s not good enough for a versatile wing defender who is more than just a guy with a high motor and low dignity. I’m not going to go spend time this morning looking that up because we all watch this guy and see he’s not a good athlete and does not have good defensive range or slipperiness.
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Tell me the contradictions.
 
Bruno said:
The offensive issue with a non shooting forward isn't only the pairing with Wemby, it's the fit with Spurs' backcourt. Fox, Castle and likely Harper are players who like to drive to the basket. If an opponent forward can sag off his player and clog the paint, it will hurt Spurs' guards. There is also Wemby's willingness to play closer to the basket to be more efficient who doesn't fit with a non-shooting forward.
The open question after that is: how much will that non-shooting hurt the offense?

My stance is that it will hurt Spurs' offense a lot and what Sochan can bring in other aspects of the game (defense and rebounding) is nowhere near enough to compensate that.

Sochan's numbers were fine last season with Spurs but roster has changed a lot since that by going from a Paul/Vassell to a Fox/Castle backcourt.
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This is fair. Thought out, with logic, convincing arguments. Which is what this is about, not constantly nagging on a player and spewing opinions as facts with no backup.

I’m not saying sochan will be terrible for the offence as long as the arguments are well thought out. What is annoying is when th e same thing is repeated hundreds of times with no backup and it came a point when people are just bitching for the sake of bitching.
 
KobesAchilles said:
In your video you posted literally every pass Green made was bc two people jumped out on Curry. Green himself isn’t good. He’s a product of Curry.

Nobody is going to jump out on a Sochan/Wemby pick n roll and tbh I don’t want Sochan running my offense at all. Dude isn’t good at it.
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That would be Sochan setting a screen for Fox, while Wemby would be in the dunker's spot (waiting for the lob pass). Obviously, team's don't blitz the ball handler a ton and choose to switch instead. So, conceivably it wouldn't be done a ton but is something I hope they can develop (when teams try to double team & trap Fox off of the pick).


One other thing, apparently Sochan was pretty good as a pick-and-roll intiator last season going by this video:


Again, I'm not saying Sochan should be one of the focal points of the offense. He likely will be the 5th or 6th option, rightfully so, I'm just thinking of ways that he can contribute without having to stand in the corner. Or muddle up the offense because of his lack of shooting.
 
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