Player Sochan's Extension Watch

[brazil]

He shot much better in college than summer league, I tend to think that's a better indicator. Bottom line it's too soon to tell, some were saying Blake Wesley was a top 5 talent in the class after summer league. I like him but we'll see.

Yes I agree it is way too soon to get excited about him... it is going to take a while

 

[poopbox]

Carter has a lot to show before talking about taking Sochan or Vassell spot. The little I saw him get me a bit worried, he cannot hit the side of a barne to save his life... he is a 3D without the 3. Now obviously rookie, summer league blabla etc etc.. but saying he is a work in progress is a nice way to put it. Showing energy on D won't be enough for him to get a spot

Sochan can't shoot for shit and it hasn't stopped him from being force fed minutes. Not sure why it would stop Carter. I also think he will step in the league as a better defender than Sochan, who is quite arguably the most overrated defender in the history of the nba. There are people on this site who have waxed poetic about Sochan defensive abilities and if you look at the 10 worst defensive lineups the spurs have put on the floor since Sochan has been drafted he is in 8 of them.

 

[Ariel]

He can’t be traded if he’s re-signed right now. Thats probably the beginning and end of it at the moment. One of the state run media podcasts has him easily > 20 mill per year. Because he’s a “great” player. Who “plays really well” with Vic. And 32% on wide open 3’s will make a “massive difference”.

These are guys with access to the team.

Whoever thinks Sochan is getting 20 million is completely out of touch.

 

[LeBowen]

Whoever thinks Sochan is getting 20 million is completely out of touch.

The only non-shooting wings that got minutes on relevant playoff teams are Giannis and Amen, maybe the two best athletes in the league and great ballhandlers.
Current version of Jeremy is useless in the playoffs and at that point paying him anything more than 10 a year is wasting money.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Got scared for a minute seeing this thread bumped.

 

[Shmurs]

Sochan can't shoot for shit and it hasn't stopped him from being force fed minutes. Not sure why it would stop Carter. I also think he will step in the league as a better defender than Sochan, who is quite arguably the most overrated defender in the history of the nba. There are people on this site who have waxed poetic about Sochan defensive abilities and if you look at the 10 worst defensive lineups the spurs have put on the floor since Sochan has been drafted he is in 8 of them.

I think most players in the league could be incredible perimeter defenders if they just decided to use all of their energy and focus on that side of the court. What he does isn’t particularly nuanced. He’s just high range and high motor.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Jesus, Kuminga just got two years $48.5 million with minimal leverage. Yeah someone's going to throw stupid money at Sochan. God I hope it's not the Spurs.

 

[Ariel]

Jesus, Kuminga just got two years $48.5 million with minimal leverage. Yeah someone's going to throw stupid money at Sochan. God I hope it's not the Spurs.

Kuminga is perceived by some to have "star" upside, though I personally don't see it. No one would say that about Sochan. Also, Kuminga was a RFA, were talking extension here with Sochan. Just let it play out, if he works his way into a bigger payday, good for him and for the Spurs (either to keep or move).

 

[BacktoBasics]

What is the extension deadline?

 

[Dex]

What is the extension deadline?

The robots told me October 20th, after that he becomes an RFA

 

[SpursBrazil]

What is the extension deadline?

Oct. 20

 

[ambchang]

Kuminga should command quite a bit more than sochan, and that deal is basically a one year for trade chip purposes, with the team holding the option of locking him up at a reasonable price should he blow up this season, so there’s undoubtedly a premium.

 

[Shmurs]

kuminga was paid in fun bucks. It’s not real cap money. They have no one else to buy at the moment and the contract can get torn up next summer.

 

[spurraider21]

kuminga was paid in fun bucks. It’s not real cap money. They have no one else to buy at the moment and the contract can get torn up next summer.

you say that but im sure he's going to enjoy having 24 mil this year instead of 8

and the contract only gets torn up if he doesnt play well. if he makes a big leap and becomes a legit player, they can just exercise the team option and keep him at 24mil for the ensuing season, or at the very least use that possibility as leverage in any new contract negotiations

the spurs can wait things out with sochan, play this year out, and his qualifying offer next offseason would be something like 9.5 mil or so.

 

[Shmurs]

you say that but im sure he's going to enjoy having 24 mil this year instead of 8

and the contract only gets torn up if he doesnt play well. if he makes a big leap and becomes a legit player, they can just exercise the team option and keep him at 24mil for the ensuing season, or at the very least use that possibility as leverage in any new contract negotiations

the spurs can wait things out with sochan, play this year out, and his qualifying offer next offseason would be something like 9.5 mil or so.

Yeah my point was more that this doesn’t reflect actual value. It’s just a team saying whatever and eventually deciding they’re fine if he blows up this year and need to trade him next summer to capitalize on his new value.

 

[spurraider21]

32:55 for where they start talking sochan. lowe doesnt think anything will get done, and doesnt even think the spurs would/should go for a 4 year deal at the MLE amount (4/60), or even slightly lower at 4/56. just thinks (correctly) that the spurs have too many other questions marks on the roster that committing to sochan could backfire pretty quickly

personally ive been of the same opinion for a while. the only type of extension the spurs should pursue is the type of extension that, if im sochan, i wouldn't take. something like 4/44, or even 4/50 on a declining deal. i dont know how good sochan is/can be but its clear he's an NBA player. 22 year olds who can defend with the size he has are without a doubt valuable. jonathan isaac has become an overpay for sure, but his deal was 4/59. jared vanderbilt signed for 4/48, which would have seemed fair but he just kept getting hurt. there also has been some cap inflation, but as both of those have turned out to be overpays, spurs should be very cuatious. sochan wont start peaking until 3-4 years from now, so some projection is warranted, to be fair

but the spurs have leverage since they have the option to just play this year out and then have sochan as a RFA with a QO under 10 mil. im sure sochan wants to avoid the kuminga/grimes situation, and i dont know if he's going to get the playing time/showcase time to earn something drastically more than that as a RFA. if sochan wants to be on himself, i cant fault him. but if he wants to attach himself to vic's teat for the foreseeable future, he will (or if the spurs play it right... he should) have to take less than maybe what he thinks his market value is

 

[scott]

Does a 6-month trade moratorium apply to Kuminga on this extension? Or does it revert to when he was originally tendered?

 

[spurraider21]

Does a 6-month trade moratorium apply to Kuminga on this extension? Or does it revert to when he was originally tendered?

from what i understand he can be moved in january

 

[KobesAchilles]

Carter has a lot to show before talking about taking Sochan or Vassell spot. The little I saw him get me a bit worried, he cannot hit the side of a barne to save his life... he is a 3D without the 3. Now obviously rookie, summer league blabla etc etc.. but saying he is a work in progress is a nice way to put it. Showing energy on D won't be enough for him to get a spot

Isn’t that what Sochan already is? A 3D without the 3. So he has already caught up to him. And just compare the two players shooting forms, I know which one looks better. Also we have zero need for Vassell’s offense. None. Tbh Champ could replace Vassell completely and we would be a significantly better team. Doesn’t need the ball in his hands, plays good defense, hits open shots, and is no nonsense. Honestly after this season I expect 2 of the 3 of Vassell, KJ, and Sochan to be gone. If this team is going to win going forward we need actual role players that fit.

Vassell is such a bad defender that anything he does positive on offense (which isn’t much) he automatically negates with his shitty defense. He is a chucker on offense. And I don’t want Carter Bryant playing anything like Vassell. We drafted a role player with size and athleticism and a pretty good looking shot. Let him play

 

[gilmor2002]

Sochan can't shoot for shit and it hasn't stopped him from being force fed minutes. Not sure why it would stop Carter. I also think he will step in the league as a better defender than Sochan, who is quite arguably the most overrated defender in the history of the nba. There are people on this site who have waxed poetic about Sochan defensive abilities and if you look at the 10 worst defensive lineups the spurs have put on the floor since Sochan has been drafted he is in 8 of them.

if you look at Carter and Sochan.. Carter will not be at Sochan caliber. Sochan is way ahead of Carter. Nba is not any rookie can just turn the lights on..

 

[brazil]

Isn’t that what Sochan already is? A 3D without the 3. So he has already caught up to him. And just compare the two players shooting forms, I know which one looks better. Also we have zero need for Vassell’s offense. None. Tbh Champ could replace Vassell completely and we would be a significantly better team. Doesn’t need the ball in his hands, plays good defense, hits open shots, and is no nonsense. Honestly after this season I expect 2 of the 3 of Vassell, KJ, and Sochan to be gone. If this team is going to win going forward we need actual role players that fit.

Vassell is such a bad defender that anything he does positive on offense (which isn’t much) he automatically negates with his shitty defense. He is a chucker on offense. And I don’t want Carter Bryant playing anything like Vassell. We drafted a role player with size and athleticism and a pretty good looking shot. Let him play

Thank, I see we agree... at this point, there is no way Carter takes Sochan spot. Poopbox makes a point about Sochan being way overrated on defense and I agree but I can say the same for Carter who can produce great highlights but he is lacking fundamentals (again from what I have seen in summer league).

As for your point about Vassell and the fact we don't need his offense, we may not need offense but we need shooting and stretch the floor. Carter is not that guy.

Back to the point we should hold our horses Carter is a propesct but not for 2025/2026.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Thank, I see we agree... at this point, there is no way Carter takes Sochan spot. Poopbox makes a point about Sochan being way overrated on defense and I agree but I can say the same for Carter who can produce great highlights but he is lacking fundamentals (again from what I have seen in summer league).

As for your point about Vassell and the fact we don't need his offense, we may not need offense but we need shooting and stretch the floor. Carter is not that guy.

Back to the point we should hold our horses Carter is a propesct but not for 2025/2026.

Let’s say you had 3 employees and one of them was a new hire that needs a little work and the other two have been in your company for a number of years and really just aren’t meshing with your company. They work hard but after years of training they just don’t seem to get it. And you’re thinking about getting rid of them. Why wouldn’t you put your emphasis on the new guy who you can mold bs the other employees who you tried and failed to mold.

At the end of January, Carter Bryant needs to be getting consistent minutes. We should play Sochan and Vassell early in the year. See if they actually did improve but if we don’t see improvement then they need to make room for the guy who’s actually going to be on our team in 5 years time. It doesn’t matter if Bryant isn’t ready bc 6 years in and Vassell isn’t ready either. And he isn’t “ahead” of Bryant on defense. And he wouldn’t be “ahead” of Bryant as a role player either bc all Bryant knew on Arizona was to be a role player. He wasn’t a focal point at all on offense. He just had to hit open shots and play defense which he did. He can do the same role as a pro bc he is bigger, longer, taller, and has more want to on that side of the ball than Vassell.

Vassell needs to go. I don’t see how Spurs fans can go from Manu to Vassell and be ok with how he plays. Has Vassell ever taken a charge in his entire career? Has he even been in position or paid enough attention on defense to be able to read a play and take one?

 

[Exstatic]

Jesus, Kuminga just got two years $48.5 million with minimal leverage. Yeah someone's going to throw stupid money at Sochan. God I hope it's not the Spurs.

He was gumming up the works. His leverage was that his QO was making impossible for them to fill out their roster.

Next year, unlike this year, there are more than a few teams with cap room. Sochan will get $20M from someone. I also think Kuminga gets flipped this year, between the opening of trade eligibility and the deadline.

 

[LeBowen]

He was gumming up the works. His leverage was that his QO was making impossible for them to fill out their roster.

Next year, unlike this year, there are more than a few teams with cap room. Sochan will get $20M from someone. I also think Kuminga gets flipped this year, between the opening of trade eligibility and the deadline.

Kuminga's deal apparently has a team option next summer, no long-term damage for the Warriors.
If they don't manage to trade him at the deadline, he's gone next summer.

As for Jeremy, the only bad outcome for the Spurs would be giving him anything more than around 10 million a year right now and not seeing any improvement.
We got enough players and assets, losing Jeremy for nothing next summer wouldn't really be relevant in the big picture. If we're to trade him right now, we can't really get anything of value.
But we can't afford to offer a contract which turns into a negative asset. And I don't think it happens, Wright learned his lesson with Vassell.
If a player doesn't make big improvements in his third season, it's not likely he ever will.

 

[ginobilized]

I'm very interesting in seeing how this plays out this season and beyond. I see Bryant as having more basketball upside than Sochan. He's got a better shot (already), more bball IQ and some crazy hops and timing. He's just really green and seems like he's overwhelmed and trying too hard. He's a couple of years away from settling into the NBA. When he does, he will be a very valuable player. Sochan is more of a finished product that we are waiting to see if the shooting and IQ ever comes around. Bryant seems more like a true 3 and Sochan is relegated to the 4 because of his lack of skills. It took Bowen years and a circuitous journey to become an NBA player. Bryant will likely get there in far less time.

As for his contract extension, no way should the Spurs do their nice guy overpay treatment. I hope they wait out this season and let Sochan's playing determine his value.