So which one are we trading?

[scott]

Agree 100%

Any chance we can get PJ Washington? Dallas needs a FRP and we have an extra

I’m not sure what you mean by extra, but we only have 1 FRP in each draft going forward. We used our last excess FRP on Carter Bryant. From here on out, it’s only swaps

 

[Chinook]

I don't think the Spurs should be looking for a PF right now, especially not another swing big. They have Olynyk and Wemby both playing PF/C. It makes sense that if they are going to look for a new starting PF that he's basically a combo-forward like Barnes but younger. What sucks is that teams still haven't stopped paying every young player a bunch of money, so there aren't a ton of bargains. Herb Jones feels like the best candidate, as he's a defense-first swing forward who can shoot threes and isn't breaking the bank. Against truly big front lines, the Spurs can go FV or play KO. They mainly need a guy to throw at Durant, Doncic and Williamson who can also be a plus as a support player on offense.

 

[spurraider21]

I don't think the Spurs should be looking for a PF right now, especially not another swing big. They have Olynyk and Wemby both playing PF/C. It makes sense that if they are going to look for a new starting PF that he's basically a combo-forward like Barnes but younger. What sucks is that teams still haven't stopped paying every young player a bunch of money, so there aren't a ton of bargains. Herb Jones feels like the best candidate, as he's a defense-first swing forward who can shoot threes and isn't breaking the bank. Against truly big front lines, the Spurs can go FV or play KO. They mainly need a guy to throw at Durant, Doncic and Williamson who can also be a plus as a support player on offense.

its clear they envision Carter Bryant in that role eventually. in the interim... not so sure

 

[OK Computer]

its clear they envision Carter Bryant in that role eventually. in the interim... not so sure

I mean, Chinook’s right. Unless the hole at starting PF is so big that it’s causing the Spurs to be a sub .500 team, there’s no immediate need to trade anybody for one right now. And, IF the team were to have a losing season because of it, the team has bigger problems than the hole itself - which is, Wemby and the team’s leaders (including Mitch) failing to be sufficient in their roles.

What we’re seeing right now… I don’t know how you DON’T continue to win at a good rate despite a PF need. Maybe by the end of the season, the stats even show that there is a greater need elsewhere. Whatever the case, there isn’t a hurry now, or even later as you said because Carter is in that pipeline anyway. And if the organization don’t see Carter as the future by the end of the season because of his in-season practice habits and dedication, they can always draft another one like him next year (with the option of packaging the pick with a current player to move up for a better chance at a decent prospect).

 

[spurraider21]

I mean, Chinook’s right. Unless the hole at starting PF is so big that it’s causing the Spurs to be a sub .500 team, there’s no immediate need to trade anybody for one right now. And, IF the team were to have a losing season because of it, the team has bigger problems than the hole itself - which is, Wemby and the team’s leaders (including Mitch) failing to be sufficient in their roles.

What we’re seeing right now… I don’t know how you DON’T continue to win at a good rate despite a PF need. Maybe by the end of the season, the stats even show that there is a greater need elsewhere. Whatever the case, there isn’t a hurry now, or even later as you said because Carter is in that pipeline anyway. And if the organization don’t see Carter as the future by the end of the season because of his in-season practice habits and dedication, they can always draft another one like him next year (with the option of packaging the pick with a current player to move up for a better chance at a decent prospect).

we've escaped by the skin of our teeth against the pelicans and nets. things are good now but its not like there are no reasons for concern. of course we have some key guys out

 

[OK Computer]

we've escaped by the skin of our teeth against the pelicans and nets. things are good now but its not like there are no reasons for concern. of course we have some key guys out

I get it, but for each close win the PF spot wasn’t the issue. In the Pelicans game, it was self-inflicted with the constant stupid passes that led to turnovers and from today’s Nets game, it was how slow we were adjusting to the Nets defensive schemes.

 

[scott]

Both games it was perimeter D schemes allowing the opponent to get open looks from 3 and get hot.

PF is still an obvious hole but it’s not been a huge deal thus far. Need to see how things continue to progress.

 

[Valparaiso]

Jonathan Isaac is a bit of a strange character and has an injury history but he's fallen almost completely out of the rotation in Orlando, and his contract is reasonable. I don't see him as a starter. He's a guy that could excel as an impactful back up PF, and I know Wemby has even name-checked him as one of his favorite defenders. If the Spurs thought his conservative/bible-thumping/anti-woke persona wouldn't be too disruptive, I think Orlando would let him go for relatively little compensation at this point.

 

[spurraider21]

Jonathan Isaac is a bit of a strange character and has an injury history but he's fallen almost completely out of the rotation in Orlando, and his contract is reasonable. I don't see him as a starter. He's a guy that could excel as an impactful back up PF, and I know Wemby has even name-checked him as one of his favorite defenders. If the Spurs thought his conservative/bible-thumping/anti-woke persona wouldn't be too disruptive, I think Orlando would let him go for relatively little compensation at this point.

we just celebrated not extending sochan and the first thing you want to do is trade for isaac making 15mil per year for the next 4 years?

 

[Valparaiso]

we just celebrated not extending sochan and the first thing you want to do is trade for isaac making 15mil per year for the next 4 years?

I'm mentioning it as an option, not necessarily advocating for it. But to be fair, the last three years of Isaac's contract will be below the MLE, so it's not really a huge payout. He'd be replacing someone like Olynyk, not a young player with future potential.

 

[Em-City]

The need is for a player in the mould of Harrison Barnes, just not a washed up version.

We need 3&D with size, but 3&D is a spectrum, i would go with more 3 than D given how expensive it is to get a player who is above average at both.

 

[scott]

I'm mentioning it as an option, not necessarily advocating for it. But to be fair, the last three years of Isaac's contract will be below the MLE, so it's not really a huge payout. He'd be replacing someone like Olynyk, not a young player with future potential.

IMO, whomever we get to fulfil the hypothetical role Jonathan Isaac would have really should only be making somewhere between $5-8MM. A lot of these guys (like Isaac) signed these deals before the new CBA and haven't been repriced for the new economics (Harrison Barnes and Kelly Olynyk amongst them).

Backup veteran PF/C money seems like it should be in line with these off-season signings going forward, IMO:

Capela - 3/21
Lopez - 2/18
Yabu - 2/11
Mo Wagner - 1/5
Nance - Vet Min
Isaiah Jackson - 3/21
Bagley - 1/3

Everyone signed above that around the MLE plays a bigger role (Portis, Aldama, DFS). So unless we're talking a 20mpg/gm or more guy, no reason to go higher than deals like the ones above, IMO.

 

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think Olynyk is going to be a nice upgrade from Barnes. If you are keeping Barnes it is because you think you can sign him cheap in the summer as a nice 3rd string option.

 

[sfernald]

Overreaction Friday.

Which one of these guys should the Spurs trade to bring in some actual help for the team

I hate to say it but I really think it’s time to put the black falcon down.

 

[KobesAchilles]

I’m not sure what you mean by extra, but we only have 1 FRP in each draft going forward. We used our last excess FRP on Carter Bryant. From here on out, it’s only swaps

Don’t we have ATL’s 27?

 

[LeBowen]

Don’t we have ATL’s 27?

We do, but we don't have our own.

 

[Spur of the Moment]

I think Olynyk is going to be a nice upgrade from Barnes. If you are keeping Barnes it is because you think you can sign him cheap in the summer as a nice 3rd string option.

I like him for some lineups. I get a little concerned if he can keep up with some of the faster 4s of the league but I have that same concern inverted for Barnes against size there. I’d imagine it’ll be dependent on match ups when he becomes available.

 

[spursparker9]

Giannas is average what now? 40 pts and 20pts? He has been ridiculous thus far

But trading for him will definitely hinder Wemby's development

 

[OK Computer]

Giannas is average what now? 40 pts and 20pts? He has been ridiculous thus far

But trading for him will definitely hinder Wemby's development

Especially since Wemby’s now taking up the same spaces Giannis likes to operate in. We did not know if this time would ever come (Wemby being more comfortable inside the perimeter). Before I would say that Bam would be the ultimate complementary player. Now? Not so much. What Wemby needs now are elite penetrators, energy garbage men, and wing defenders. That’s how you surround this version of Wemby.

 

[KobesAchilles]

We do, but we don't have our own.

Ohhhh
Well atleast we are getting the number one pick again in 2030

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I agree that we don’t need an upgrade at PF right now, with Sochan and Olynyk on their way back, but there‘s no reason not to upgrade the position by the deadline. Especially since we are well equipped with Barnes and Olynyk‘s expiring contracts.

Also we don’t need an All-Star at the position. We just need someone who‘s better than Barnes on both ends. I also don’t think we need the guy to be a great rebounder, since we are outrebounding every team with Barnes averaging 2 boards per game.

Aldama and PJ have gotten extensions, so I don‘t view them as attainable unless those teams fall apart.
One option would be MPJ who has 2 years left on his deal, but Brooklyn would probably want a bunch of picks for him.

The other one I think could make sense is Jerami Grant. He‘s been on tanking teams as a scorer, but has a proven track record of being a positive role player on playoff teams in OKC and Denver. His contract runs for 3 years on Barnes + Olynyk salary and expires once we have to pay Castle. Dude is 31 so seems to be a decent stop gap and his bad contract would not require us to give up a lot of assets.

 

[Bruno]

PJ Washington can't be traded before the end of the season because of the extension he signed.

Before thinking at what Spurs should do, we must first know what they have and how players are fitting together. Right now, with Fox out, we still don't know.

 

[brazil]

Barnes is the weak link right now. Gotta see how Sochan plays, but if he can't shoot he's an odd fit. My question is more like who do we trade for? A lot of the PFs I wanted got extensions.

I think we should be a bit more patient with Barnes, he is obviously not in his prime and we should not expect a season as good as last one but we should also not draw conclusion based on those 3 games. Last year last 7 games he was at 20 ppg at >.50 from 3 (season at .43). He is having a slow start not connecting 3s (2 on 11) but it won't stay like that, we will have a better picture after 10/15 games. If we have him at .37 ish from 3 for 10 ppg he is still a useful vet especially not knowing what kind of Sochan we will get. 3 pts shooting is a big issue for the Spurs, he showed his whole career that he is more than decent at that, it would make no sense to trade him knowing that at his age we won't get an elite player also considering he will be a unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

 

[SpursFan86]

Barnes has been pretty awful, but it's exacerbated by the fact that he's playing 30 mpg because Sochan/Olynyk are both injured. If we're healthy, Barnes is (hopefully) playing noticeably fewer minutes and isn't nearly as big of a hindrance to the team. Obviously expect his 3-point shooting to regress to the mean as well which makes his poor defense/rebounding more tolerable.

At this point I just want to see this team fully healthy tbh. Halfway into the season we'll have a much better sense of who doesn't really fit into the current roster.

 

[KobesAchilles]

I agree that we don’t need an upgrade at PF right now, with Sochan and Olynyk on their way back, but there‘s no reason not to upgrade the position by the deadline. Especially since we are well equipped with Barnes and Olynyk‘s expiring contracts.

Also we don’t need an All-Star at the position. We just need someone who‘s better than Barnes on both ends. I also don’t think we need the guy to be a great rebounder, since we are outrebounding every team with Barnes averaging 2 boards per game.

Aldama and PJ have gotten extensions, so I don‘t view them as attainable unless those teams fall apart.
One option would be MPJ who has 2 years left on his deal, but Brooklyn would probably want a bunch of picks for him.

The other one I think could make sense is Jerami Grant. He‘s been on tanking teams as a scorer, but has a proven track record of being a positive role player on playoff teams in OKC and Denver. His contract runs for 3 years on Barnes + Olynyk salary and expires once we have to pay Castle. Dude is 31 so seems to be a decent stop gap and his bad contract would not require us to give up a lot of assets.

Do the Nets view MPJ as their future going forward? I feel like maybe they would be glad to get rid of him and his contract. I mean $40 million a year is a lot of money for him. I’m not against the Spurs going after him and he is an interesting prospect that kinda offsets Sochan a bit.