Official Sochan 3 point tracker

[Ni-G]

6/7 from deep loading...

That will happen only if we trade him and of course against us.

 

[ambchang]

3 for 7 so far. 42.7%. He’s ranked 91st in the league and 4th on the team freaking shooting like curry (on ridiculously small percentages when left wide opened)Suck that haters.

 

[scott]

CORNER IS TURNED

STOP THE COUNT

 

[jeebus]

2-3 tonight, not bad.....but that one miss should've never happened, as Barnes should've taken the relatively open layup

 

[ambchang]

5-10. 50%. And this isn’t a one game sample from curry.

 

[KobesAchilles]

lol don’t make me update this thread

Sochan 11/16 game stats: 2/3 on 3 point attempts
Season stats: 5/10 for 50% shooting on 0.7 makes a game

 

[The Truth #6]

His form looks improved. I didn't think that was possible. And he's shooting with confidence. However, Mitch has almost no confidence in him so he's going to have to scrap to save his career.

 

[Ice009]

Plot twist. Jeremy becomes the highest percentage 3pt shooter on the Spurs by the end of the season.

I am very impressed with his shooting so far. He's not shying away from taking open shots so far which is HUGE. He just needs to show more awareness on defense and offense, and gain Mitch's trust if he wants to be on the court more.

 

[SpurSpike]

His shot is still slow but without the hitch, it looks so much smoother and its going in! This is a big improvement for someone who looked almost hopeless with his shooting! Both Sochan and the shooting coaches need some big props if this is real. Takes a lot of work and dedication to completely rebuild your shot like that.

 

[DAF86]

If Sochan pulls an Aaron Gordon type improvement on his 3pt stroke, he suddenly becomes one of the most elite role players in the league. Way too early to fantasize with something like that, but man would that fix a lot of our biggest weaknesses.

 

[KobesAchilles]

He’s on pace for just under 50 made 3s for the season. I think that would be a career high. But he needs to double that output before I even start thinking of elite role player

 

[ambchang]

All joking aside. I still think sochans at is slow and I definitely think there’s a hitch. There’s a long way to go before he can be a reliable shooter who dan prevent the defence from collapsing in the paint.

Problem is his rebounding is way worse now and he seems lost on offence quite a bit as well. On defence he is a decent man to man but again he doesn’t seem to be grasping the rotations well this year.

I’d like to see him driving to the basket a bit as well but one step at a time.

 

[rjv]

he had one three last night which really looked like a high qulaity three. of course, it could have been just an anomaly, but he's already a better shooter than draymond-lol.

 

[scott]

Can we get OP to start a Vassell Consistent Defense tracker?

 

[KobesAchilles]

Can we get OP to start a Vassell Consistent Defense tracker?

On it

 

[SpursBills]

Reposting my original numbers from SpursTalk regarding defensive wings with initially questionable jumpers:

At what age did they shoot?

Name	>1.5 3PM/100 (age)	>2.0 3PM/100 (age)	>2.5 3PM/100 (age)	Highest 3P volume season (3PM/100)
Herb Jones	25	25	27	2.7 (age 27)
Dorian Finney-Smith	23	24	26	4.0 (age 31)
OG Anunoby	20	20	23	4.0 (age 28)
Lu Dort	20	21	21	3.9 (age 25)
Royce O'Neale	25	26	30	5.3 (age 32)
Dillon Brooks	22	22	23	4.3 (age 30)
Draymond Green	23	24	N/A	1.5 (age 35)
Matisse Thybulle	22	22	27	3.8 (age 28)
Derrick Jones Jr	23	26	28	2.5 (age 28)
Toumani Camara	23	24	24	2.8 (age 25)
Aaron Gordon	21	22	29	3.9 (age 30)
Alex Caruso	24	24	29	3.4 (age 31)
Dean Wade	23	24	24	3.5 (age 27)

So far this season, Sochan at the start of his age 22 season is a 2.2 3PM/100

To rehash, I use 3PM/100 possessions as a catch-all to take into account both volume and shooting percentage, and normalize by possessions to account for minutes played and team pace

What we can see from this is that IF (this is a huge if) Sochan maintains his current pace, we should expect his shooting to continue to improve as he is well within the typical curve for shooting improvement.

That being said, the bar for shooting is rising every season. When I was going through these numbers, it seems like at least 80% of the guys on this list are shooting career highs so far this season. Dudes like Gordon, Thybulle, Brooks, O'Neale, etc. are absolutely blowing their previous career highs out of the water with 3 point makes. I said last year if Sochan can hit 2.5 3PM/100 and maintain his level of defense, he'd be an extremely valuable role player. This year, that number might be closer to 3-3.5 3PM/100 and might be rising each year.

 

[KobesAchilles]

What’s worrisome is that nobody is going to double team any of our players anymore. Can Sochan produce when put in real catch and shoot situations? When his man is tighter on defense.

 

[Pioant]

All joking aside. I still think sochans at is slow and I definitely think there’s a hitch. There’s a long way to go before he can be a reliable shooter who dan prevent the defence from collapsing in the paint.

Problem is his rebounding is way worse now and he seems lost on offence quite a bit as well. On defence he is a decent man to man but again he doesn’t seem to be grasping the rotations well this year.

I’d like to see him driving to the basket a bit as well but one step at a time.

New defensive coach, new system, new teammates. He was injured during camp, pre- season, and the beginning of the regular season. He is learning on the go. If should click by all-star break.

 

[Ice009]

I'm willing to give Sochan a real chance up until the all-star break. Now that Victor is out for a bit, he should get some more court time. Pioant is right, he hasn't had much time to get learn the system, learn teammates and test out his new jump shot form much in games yet. If there's a good deal to be had with him in it at the trade deadline, though, then I would very seriously consider it if I were the Spurs.

 

[ambchang]

I am probably the most vocal of Sochan supporters over the last two years or so, and I still think he is someone who can be very useful in the playoffs (yes, his shooting sucks, but his perimeter defence is really good and versatile), but oddly enough, this year I am not as high on him as his rebounding and defence has dropped off somewhat.

So far, in a very small sample, Sochan seems to have cut out 10 feet to 3pt line shots entirely. Of the 27 shots he took, 10 of them are 3 pters, 3 are from 3 to 10 feet, and the remaining 14 are all from 0-3 feet. This isn't his highest percentage of shot attempts from 0-3 feet in his career (last year, when he shot 54.6% of his shots from 0-3, was), or he is on track to shoot more 3 pters than he ever has (he is shooting 4.4 3PA per 100, where as he shot 4.9 his 2nd year and 4.4 his rookie year), it's just that he is shooting a lot less shots. He is shooting 12 FGA per 100/8.9 per 36, which is about 30% less than the first 3 years (17.1 FGA/100 and 12.9/36 mins). Not sure if it's because his role has shrunk on offence, he doesn't know what is going on in offence, or he is instructed to get out of the way.

The bad thing is, if he's shooting less, well wouldn't he be doing more in other areas? Not really, he is rebounding less (a lot less, especially offensive rebounds), his assists has stayed pretty much the same, he is turning the ball over a lot more despite his usage rate dropping a lot, he isn't protecting the paint more, he is fouling a lot more, and the only positive so far is that he is going to the line at a higher rate (only because he is shooting less FGs) and shooting better.

Despite the improvement in shooting (again, on a VERY small sample size), I felt he regressed in everything else, and those are the things that made Sochan Sochan.

 

[scott]

I have a feeling that this increased playing time with Wemby out is going to make Sochan look worse, not better.

Putting this out there and hoping to look stupid in a few weeks.

 

[LeBowen]

I have a feeling that this increased playing time with Wemby out is going to make Sochan look worse, not better.

Putting this out there and hoping to look stupid in a few weeks.

I think Olynyk could be his saving grace.
Jeremy doesn't fit well together with traditional bigs, but Olynyk has the playmaking skills and the range.

Defense is another thing, but two of them could work well together on offense.

 

[Raven_]

I have a feeling that this increased playing time with Wemby out is going to make Sochan look worse, not better.

Putting this out there and hoping to look stupid in a few weeks.

i think you're getting on with the mitch is bad program, now you just have to accept it.

 

[spurraider21]

What’s worrisome is that nobody is going to double team any of our players anymore. Can Sochan produce when put in real catch and shoot situations? When his man is tighter on defense.

as long as his man is playing tighter on defense, its mission accomplished at that point tbh

 

[Quentin_Compson]

To me, his shooting motion looks a bit more fluid than before.
What almost worries me most about Sochan overall is that there are so many possessions where it looks like he just lacks the feel for and understanding of the game played at NBA level. His processing seems comparatively slow to me.