Player Harper vs Edgecomb vs Bailey vs WNBA

[KobesAchilles]

I personally believe Edgecomb will be the best player in this draft. I liked him at the 2 pick over Harper and I’m not really sold on Harper at all.

I’m not here to trash Harper. He could be very good obviously. Him being a lefty is a nice bonus for him. He’s a solid finisher at the rim and pretty crafty. But his lack of explosiveness and a jumper scares me. Maybe he turns out like a Shay where he isn’t the most athletic guy but just plays angles really well. Idk.

But I see Harper as like a 20 minute a game type of guy his rookie year averaging 9 points a game and 3 assists. Not too bad overall and he will flash moments as the season progresses. While Edgecomb has the tools to be a superstar and is my pick to win ROY.

 

[bozhemoi]

Are you rascal?

 

[k....]

i think Paige buekers is better than Kaitlynn clark but i don't post a thread about it.

 

[Kick-Stand]

I can understand liking Edgecombe over Harper but taking him over Flagg is lunacy

 

[pope]

i think Paige buekers is better than Kaitlynn clark but i don't post a thread about it.

Now this is the truth

 

[heyheymymy]

i think Paige buekers is better than Kaitlynn clark

bc she is

 

[spursparker9]

u can just compare their ceiling level player...

James Harden vs D-Wade

 

[Shmurs]

if Harper can’t move without the ball, there’s an argument to be made that fit wins out in this case and VJ should have been the pick.

But Harper is likely going to be fine off-ball, and taking the guy who is an overall stronger prospect is the right move.

 

[koriwhat]

i think Paige buekers is better than Kaitlynn clark but i don't post a thread about it.

And no one worth their salt believes the WNBA is a real basketball product.

 

[Sugus]

And no one worth their salt believes the WNBA is a real basketball product.

You can dislike it, sure, but what would make it not be a "real basketball product" tbh? The NBA's had more scandals related to its integrity as a product (albeit obviously through a longer history), afaik.

 

[koriwhat]

You can dislike it, sure, but what would make it not be a "real basketball product" tbh? The NBA's had more scandals related to its integrity as a product (albeit obviously through a longer history), afaik.

For one, it's not profitable and to be a "product" you must produce a return on investment. Second, ymca youth camps are more fundamental and captivating than any WNBA game ever. Am I truly the only dude who sees that league for what it is, nothing but virtue signaling to a base that doesn't exist? Either way, I'm glad some people, you and others, enjoy that league but let's not pretend it's bball.

 

[Ariel]

Edgecombe could be a Wade/Oladipo hybrid if things break out right for him, but in College his ball-handling left a lot to be desired and his shooting wasn't a guarantee either, so if he ends up being the best player in the class it'd be quite a shocker (my money is on Cooper Flagg). This isn't another "Marvin Bagley over Luka" type scenario. Hell, even Philly tried to move up, so they also saw Harper as the better prospect. I do wonder what the offer was, though.

 

[DTW]

Well I could see Edgecombe starting off better because he definitely has a cleaner offensive fit, since the 76ers don't have the spacing issues the Spurs do, especially among their other young, prized guards.

It's probably going to take the Spurs eventually either altering the context to suit Harper better or trading him to a more readymade fit for him to reach his potential, but once either happens, the tables should turn.

Bigger, stronger, superior IQ, shot creation, play making, finishing.

 

[The_Second_Coming_of_VY65]

You can dislike it, sure, but what would make it not be a "real basketball product" tbh? The NBA's had more scandals related to its integrity as a product (albeit obviously through a longer history), afaik.

The fact that it’s demonstrably sub-par play, coupled with a nearly 3-decades’ long subsidy from the NBA and overt virtue signaling might be a start as to why it’s not a real product. Then you can start factoring in shit like the public’s attention span/willingness to pay actual money and then can go from there.

 

[The_Second_Coming_of_VY65]

For one, it's not profitable and to be a "product" you must produce a return on investment. Second, ymca youth camps are more fundamental and captivating than any WNBA game ever. Am I truly the only dude who sees that league for what it is, nothing but virtue signaling to a base that doesn't exist? Either way, I'm glad some people, you and others, enjoy that league but let's not pretend it's bball.

Need a truth nuke emoji

 

[BacktoBasics]

For one, it's not profitable and to be a "product" you must produce a return on investment. Second, ymca youth camps are more fundamental and captivating than any WNBA game ever. Am I truly the only dude who sees that league for what it is, nothing but virtue signaling to a base that doesn't exist? Either way, I'm glad some people, you and others, enjoy that league but let's not pretend it's bball.

I don’t agree with all of this but the first sentence is really all that needed to be said.

These players want their money but they have not delivered a market value reflective of it.

 

[The_Second_Coming_of_VY65]

I don’t agree with all of this but the first sentence is really all that needed to be said.

These players want their money but they have not delivered a market value reflective of it.

Don’t know why I have a bee in my bonnet over this, but detractors compare the WNBA to Amazon and Tesla to argue that not everything worthwhile was immediately profitable. Amazon took 5 years (1994-1999) to turn a profit, Tesla took 6 (2003 -2009). Next year will be the WNBA’s 30th season without being profitable, so 6x as long as Amazon and 5x as long as Tesla.

 

[Shmurs]

It’s technically a basketball product. It is on par with a when you have to buy a bag of skittles or m&m’s as a fund raiser to attend a middle school game.

I hadn’t checked in on it in a long time before the CC thing happened. Man is it dogshit. There’s nothing going on there that people like, and 25 years ive never heard anyone talk about a specific team that they follow or anything about the league period other than CC or Angel Reese being embarrassing.

Absolutely nobody likes the WNBA as a consumable piece of entertainment. They like it as a prop to argue about gender politics and they like to have a big stadium to take their kids to for $3 and free parking.

 

[The_Second_Coming_of_VY65]

That blonde chick from the NB commercials is pretty hot tho

 

[Shmurs]

Don’t know why I have a bee in my bonnet over this, but detractors compare the WNBA to Amazon and Tesla to argue that not everything worthwhile was immediately profitable. Amazon took 5 years (1994-1999) to turn a profit, Tesla took 6 (2003 -2009). Next year will be the WNBA’s 30th season without being profitable, so 6x as long as Amazon and 5x as long as Tesla.

It’s probably because it defies a sense of order. My half autistic brain doesn’t like pretend time. Things that are black and white should be interpreted as such. When there’s no grey and I’m asked to pretend that there is, there’s something deeply upsetting about that. I love my wife, daughter and mother. My boss is a woman and she’s awesome. Women’s sports outside of tennis and gymnastics are god awful.

…and women’s tennis is about done being in that category.

 

[The_Second_Coming_of_VY65]

You can dislike it, sure, but what would make it not be a "real basketball product" tbh? The NBA's had more scandals related to its integrity as a product (albeit obviously through a longer history), afaik.

This is like saying any corporation that ever gets sued shouldn’t be viewed as a legal enterprise

 

[Neuromancer]

I mean the WNBA obviously sucks but it's for women. I don't see why anyone that doesn't watch it should have a strong opinion about it to begin with. If there are little girls out there more inclined to pick up a basketball and get into the sport because of Caitlin Clark or Paige Bueckers, I'm all for it. No one is forcing anyone to watch it tbh

 

[The_Second_Coming_of_VY65]

I think the whole “pay us what you owe us” bit that took over the public discourse for a minute made people give a fuck about how entitled and retarded the WNBA is

 

[Neuromancer]

I think the whole “pay us what you owe us” bit that took over the public discourse for a minute made people give a fuck about how entitled and retarded the WNBA is

Yeah that was pretty fucking dumb the only people tune in to see for the most part is CC, and for some reason they all seem to resent her for it

 

[Shmurs]

I mean the WNBA obviously sucks but it's for women. I don't see why anyone that doesn't watch it should have a strong opinion about it to begin with. If there are little girls out there more inclined to pick up a basketball and get into the sport because of Caitlin Clark or Paige Bueckers, I'm all for it. No one is forcing anyone to watch it tbh

Is it “for women”, though? Women don’t watch it. It’s such a strange thing. You have these players thinking they’re celebrities because a different, more successful business decided to pump money into putting their cameras and broadcasters in front of them. But they make no money and nobody knows who they are. I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of something like this…people without material talent or pedigree walking around like they’re famous. But they make less money than a manager of a supermarket doing something they aren’t good at.