Player The "It's My Time" Busted Clocktower of Devin Vassell

[scott]

yeah because we had 3 back to backs during that stretch. He's now been out for 18 days, but did on court work since January 10th in Boston. This injury takes 2-4 weeks, Devin was back working out 11 days after. They just ramping him up slowly. like the Spurs always do.

So what’s your cut off for “short”?

 

[flox]

Vassell should be considered “injury prone” at this point. Too many years with too many problems, especially for a guy who isn’t particularly physical and this year has not been asked to push the limits of his body.

Lots of reasons to pump his value and find another home for him - even this year. We don’t need Devin’s shooting. We just need competent shooting

I wouldn't be shocked if Vassell isn't one of the most active players in the league when accounting for off-ball movement on both ends of the court. I highly disagree with this take.

 

[SanAnSpursFan21]

Come back Dev, I take it all back Bud. You are the heart and soul of this team’s shooting, WE NEED YOU

 

[Exstatic]

I wouldn't be shocked if Vassell isn't one of the most active players in the league when accounting for off-ball movement on both ends of the court. I highly disagree with this take.

Schmurs is an idiot.

 

[Shmurs]

Schmitz is an idiot.

The idiot take is that Devin is an injury prone player. So what’s the genius take?

As far as his off ball activity, that’s not particularly grueling work for a pro athlete. That’s cardio. He isn’t taking charges, fighting for position or banging against guys in the paint. You’ll notice that off ball shooters are some of the most durable guys in the league. In fact that’s probably THE most durable archetype. But sure. This is all just idiotic ramblings.

 

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013759920047325215

 

[Ice009]

Hopefully Devin responds well and can stay healthy.

 

[Shmurs]

He’s very very creaky. Creaky guys almost never get un-creaky. He’s not a 75 game a year type of individual. You’ll get what you get and hope he’s healthy at the right time.

We can take this all on. Even at 27 mill. But only for a little while. Devin’s a great concept. But like I mentioned a few months ago to a pretty scathing response…would we be better off with a Duncan Robinson type at 10 mill less than Devin earns? A guy who is 40% and just wants to shoot and cut, and you can see which of him and champ has it on any given night and work on that angle? Not now, but that’s the kind of guy you can actually go buy in the summer.

 

[scott]

Not exactly the list we would hope to see Devin on (Worst Value Contracts)... but I think this is a fair assessment and a recognition that Devin's contract is only really bad in the context of how the team has developed since he signed it.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/3238/2026-nba-worst-value-contracts

Unfortunate shoutout to the two Former Spurs who cracked the Top 5.



Edit: Wanted to say I disagree that it’s been sort of iffy” with Devin as a nominal SF. We looked great with him in the lineup and the Fox/Castle/Devin/Barnes/Wemby lineup has a 105 DRTG

 

[Paramore]

Trade him, hehehehe

 

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015129520064577757

 

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015134020728680763

 

[Shmurs]

Not exactly the list we would hope to see Devin on (Worst Value Contracts)... but I think this is a fair assessment and a recognition that Devin's contract is only really bad in the context of how the team has developed since he signed it.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/3238/2026-nba-worst-value-contracts

Unfortunate shoutout to the two Former Spurs who cracked the Top 5.

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Edit: Wanted to say I disagree that it’s been sort of iffy” with Devin as a nominal SF. We looked great with him in the lineup and the Fox/Castle/Devin/Barnes/Wemby lineup has a 105 DRTG

What’s the case for it not simply being a bad contract? He’s making 27 million as an injury prone player with fairly mediocre output who disappears for entire games at a time.

The opposite of this take is true - he has a bad contract at an absolute level, but is very useful in a niche role on this team which makes him more valuable here than other places.

 

[scott]

What’s the case for it not simply being a bad contract? He’s making 27 million as an injury prone player with fairly mediocre output who disappears for entire games at a time.

The opposite of this take is true - he has a bad contract at an absolute level, but is very useful in a niche role on this team which makes him more valuable here than other places.

Have you considered that your opinion of him is not how he is perceived by the rest of the world?

Something to think about.

 

[elpimpo4cc]

Vathle

 

[Shmurs]

Have you considered that your opinion of him is not how he is perceived by the rest of the world?

Something to think about.

Which thing? The injury prone thing? The middling output? The inconsistency?

Those are 3 things that are true, no? Then it’s just a discussion about whether his abilities are being throttled by being on a deep team. Which doesn’t seem to be the point you or the author are making.

I asked what the case is for it not being a bad contract in a vacuum. I don’t have an answer, still. And keep in mind it’s 27 million dollars per season. But I know you know that, so

 

[frenchfred]

Have you considered that your opinion of him is not how he is perceived by the rest of the world?

Something to think about.

to be fair, Vassell has played better this year in a more defined role but before that a lot of people here wanted him to be traded (me included) because of his output.

 

[Shmurs]

15, 2.4 and 4. 56% ts and solid defense. Thats the output that we’re getting.

What about this, exactly, is worth 27 million?

His numbers last year were basically the same, despite having a larger role. I genuinely would like to hear the case for that contract if you were, say, the bulls or kings or even the Heat or bucks or whatever. Which team would feel like Devin is reasonably valued at that price? If he is worth that, which players around the league are over paid?

Is it a thing like if KCP makes X then Devin can make Y or is this not even about comps?

 

[ambchang]

15, 2.4 and 4. 56% ts and solid defense. Thats the output that we’re getting.

What about this, exactly, is worth 27 million?

His numbers last year were basically the same, despite having a larger role. I genuinely would like to hear the case for that contract if you were, say, the bulls or kings or even the Heat or bucks or whatever. Which team would feel like Devin is reasonably valued at that price? If he is worth that, which players around the league are over paid?

Is it a thing like if KCP makes X then Devin can make Y or is this not even about comps?

In the $27 m range we have played like Jordan Poole, Tyler herro, hartenstein, wiggins, d white, RJ Barrett, and Myles turner. Some are better than him some are worse. He definitely isn’t a value contract but I wouldn’t say he’s terribly over paid.

His traditional numbers got worse but his advanced stats are better.

 

[Shmurs]

He’s a UFA tomorrow. How much is he getting?

I guess this is maybe one of those things where quibbling between 27 million and 21 million isn’t that interesting, though.

 

[ambchang]

He’s a UFA tomorrow. How much is he getting?

I guess this is maybe one of those things where quibbling between 27 million and 21 million isn’t that interesting, though.

You mean in a new cba where the 2nd apron is totally different from what it was when he signed the deal two years ago and an extension vs a rookie extension? I’d say a deal between $18 to $24m would be reasonable.

For comparison, a player like Jabari smith Jr signed a $24.4m per year extension and they are fairly comparable players. Keegan Murray got a $28m/yr deal and I felt Murray is not a better player.
Dyson Daniels got $25 per, he is a much better defender but a significantly worse offensive player. Braun got $25 per.

These are all on an increased cap as well.

Don’t get me wrong, if we were to extend Vassell last summer knowing what we know and the role he’d play, I’d probably offer something in the $15 to $20m per range, likely closer to $15 than $20, and would pivot to poach NAW at the same time, but that’s hindsight.

 

[Shmurs]

I understand that it’s more justifiable in retrospect since it’s a legacy contract and the whole “you gotta pay someone” thing. I didn’t think those were the terms being discussed though.

 

[ginobilized]

2 questions:
Will the Pels game get cancelled due to snow/ice?
Will this be the chance to make Devin the crown jewel of the 2nd team and bring him off the bench? If Wemby can do it, why not Vassell?

 

[scott]

2 questions:
Will the Pels game get cancelled due to snow/ice?
Will this be the chance to make Devin the crown jewel of the 2nd team and bring him off the bench? If Wemby can do it, why not Vassell?

Was thinking about your second question a little bit... Fox and Castle went straight to the starting lineups after injury while Wemby obviously did not, but I think that was more so a function of Mitch thinking "I only have Wemby for 20 minutes, how do I skew those to the 2nd half as much as possible?" (especially in the first OKC game). Devin seems convinced he will be on a minutes restriction (which Fox and Castle did not have), so I'm curious to see what Mitch does here. I think we're all hoping that it's HB who eventually goes to the bench... but there may have been a handshake deal two summers ago when HB waived his trade kicker.

 

[Fabbs]

Include in trade package please.
I know it's only 1 (more) play, but I've seen enough. He refuses to be rehabbed.

Last night at a key juncture we had climbed back from what seemed like a never ending 10 pt Houston lead. Momentum is clearly turning Spurs way and another hoop with continue the 180 degree swing.

Instead, true to the threads title Vassell very early in the shot clock and without even looking to pass, he forced a drive and lost the ball off his knee out of bounds for the turnover. Unforgivable sin? No not in a vacuum. But this guy and his lack of situational awareness continues to scream My Time. Kobme.

1 rebound in about 50 minutes the last two games.
Willingness to block out when ball is in air and position for potential rebound position can be had? 1 out of 10.
He and Fox both D- help Defense - positioning for rebounds.

Saver would be if this is lack of coaching but regardless, this My Time shit has to end. Not part of the Wemby Championship Era program.