Player The "It's My Time" Busted Clocktower of Devin Vassell

[RC_Drunkford]

Tell me again how Trey Murphy would miraculously be a better defender than Devin. The nerve of people here thinking we should salary dump him. Devin as your 4th option is a luxury.

Noone is doubting his best performances, it's about him disappearing way to often.
He was at 4-20 FG in 73 minutes before the OKC game.

and yet he's shooting 40% on 3s, averages 15.7 PPG and has an eFG of 54%. You were one of the people complaining about him last game against the Lakers when he had 5 points. But he had 5 assists, 3 steals, 1 block and played great defense. Deflected LeBron's pass, then tapped it ahead for a fast break that lead to an easy layup. Blocked the shit out of SGA last night. He's impacting the game in multiple ways.

 

[LeBowen]

Devin as your 4th option is a luxury.

Noone is questioning that, we're questioning if it's a luxury worth paying for.

and yet he's shooting 40% on 3s

Just proves that he's either scorching hot or non-existant in the game.
It's usually fine for role players, just sit them and play someone else, but he makes too much to be sat down on regular basis.

But he had 5 assists, 3 steals, 1 block and played great defense. Deflected LeBron's pass, then tapped it ahead for a fast break that lead to an easy layup. Blocked the shit out of SGA last night. He's impacting the game in multiple ways.

Playing defense should be a given.

I was on him because he missed two completely wide open threes and had that really bad alley-oop, all those were momentum shift plays.

 

[O_V]

Flex tonight, my guy. You earned it.

Agree. He stepped up when it mattered. Good for him. Hope this is the start of a long session of eating crow by the haters. That will require consistency for the first time ever from him.

 

[Exstatic]

Noone is doubting his best performances, it's about him disappearing way to often.
He was at 4-20 FG in 73 minutes before the OKC game.

That’s why he’s a role player,not a star. Role players are by their nature inconsistent. If he had the juice every night, he’d get a ticket to the ASG.

 

[Exstatic]

Noone is questioning that, we're questioning if it's a luxury worth paying for.


Just proves that he's either scorching hot or non-existant in the game.
It's usually fine for role players, just sit them and play someone else, but he makes too much to be sat down on regular basis.


Playing defense should be a given.

I was on him because he missed two completely wide open threes and had that really bad alley-oop, all those were momentum shift plays.

Steph Curry misses between 55% and 60% of all threes he takes. Players miss shots. Players miss MOST shots. Dinging a guy for missing shots is a ridiculous thing.

 

[LeBowen]

Steph Curry misses between 55% and 60% of all threes he takes. Players miss shots. Players miss MOST shots. Dinging a guy for missing shots is a ridiculous thing.

I don't know what to tell you when you take things out of context like that and completely miss my point.

TL;DR
Vassell as a role player is fine for the next couple of seasons because we don't have cap issues, but ideally you want someone making $27M to not disappear so often.

 

[ambchang]

He’s baaaaaack!!!


Please accept my apologies and thank you for the crow.

 

[Exstatic]

I don't know what to tell you when you take things out of context like that and completely miss my point.

TL;DR
Vassell as a role player is fine for the next couple of seasons because we don't have cap issues, but ideally you want someone making $27M to not disappear so often.

Looking at contract $ amount is like valuing player counting stats.

His approximate cap percentage over the next three seasons,assuming steady cap growth, are 16.27,14.11,14.75

 

[Shmurs]

Looking at contract $ amount is like valuing player counting stats.

His approximate cap percentage over the next three seasons,assuming steady cap growth, are 16.27,14.11,14.75

Everyone knows that. GM’s don’t factor it in that much and I don’t think fans should either. And those percentages are still too high. 27 mill is a number that can’t be rationalized away. It’s a real problem in a couple years but it’s fine now. He’s doing enough to make it a contract you can get out of. That’s the best we can hope for.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000046467092766875

 

[frenchfred]

happy to eat crows, keep it up Devin

 

[Neuromancer]

Devins been pretty solid. Still too streaky for my liking and would still trade him for an upgrade and give Champ his spot but I'm also fine with him being where he is too. He deserves credit for embracing his role and the defensive effort he's given this season which has been the best since his rookie campaign

 

[O_V]

Steph Curry misses between 55% and 60% of all threes he takes. Players miss shots. Players miss MOST shots. Dinging a guy for missing shots is a ridiculous thing.

But only a fraction as ridiculous as defending Devin Vassell by comparing him to Stephen Curry.

 

[rjv]

Vassell’s taken a lot of shit from haters these past few years. Happy to see him serving crow lately.

 

[rjv]

But only a fraction as ridiculous as defending Devin Vassell by comparing him to Stephen Curry.

That wasn’t a comparison. It was an example.

 

[KobesAchilles]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000046467092766875

With him and SGA stopper Sochan on our team, I don’t see a way that SGA will even be able to score the next time we face them

 

[TimmyBuckets]

Noone is doubting his best performances, it's about him disappearing way to often.
He was at 4-20 FG in 73 minutes before the OKC game.

It's quite the opposite. If you want to nitpick 73 minutes, then let's break it down by month this season. 3pt % this season: October - 40.5, November - 37.4, December (so far) - 43.9. He's averaging 39% from 3 on 7 attempts this year. His job is to hit shots and defend. He hits shots when the play breaks down. He hits 3 pt shots at an above average percentage. He hits shots in the clutch. He hits shots.


Some players making more than him:

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He's killing it this year. He's been a second option, third option, fourth option, and excelled in every role.

 

[LeBowen]

Some players making more than him:

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And how many of those contracts are considered fair value and not an overpay?
The biggest issue with Devin is that Castle loses his matchup size advantage because he moves to SF.

It's quite the opposite. If you want to nitpick 73 minutes, then let's break it down by month this season. 3pt % this season: October - 40.5, November - 37.4, December (so far) - 43.9. He's averaging 39% from 3 on 7 attempts this year. His job is to hit shots and defend. He hits shots when the play breaks down. He hits 3 pt shots at an above average percentage. He hits shots in the clutch. He hits shots.

I'm sure that if I try to nitpick those, I'll find hot and hot streaks. Obviously everyone has bad games, but he disappears too much for my liking.
He's at 31% from 3pt in our losses. 22% without first half in Cleveland. Those can't really be blamed on him because he's the 4th/5th option, but with Castle/Harper/Keldon/Kornet are half of our rotation and aren't great shooters.
We can't really afford him (or Champ/Barnes) to have so many off nights if we're to be legit contenders.
It's easier when it happens with Champ because he's on a cheap deal and role players can be benched when not playing well.
But since Devin is making $27M we're kind of missing on another role player we could have if his salary was more appropriate to his current level.

Again, he's fine for the time being, but when cap issues start in a couple of years, he'll be the first one to go if he doesn't become more consistent.

 

[Em-City]

And how many of those contracts are considered fair value and not an overpay?
The biggest issue with Devin is that Castle loses his matchup size advantage because he moves to SF.


I'm sure that if I try to nitpick those, I'll find hot and hot streaks. Obviously everyone has bad games, but he disappears too much for my liking.
He's at 31% from 3pt in our losses. 22% without first half in Cleveland. Those can't really be blamed on him because he's the 4th/5th option, but with Castle/Harper/Keldon/Kornet are half of our rotation and aren't great shooters.
We can't really afford him (or Champ/Barnes) to have so many off nights if we're to be legit contenders.
It's easier when it happens with Champ because he's on a cheap deal and role players can be benched when not playing well.
But since Devin is making $27M we're kind of missing on another role player we could have if his salary was more appropriate to his current level.

Again, he's fine for the time being, but when cap issues start in a couple of years, he'll be the first one to go if he doesn't become more consistent.

well, luckily we don't have many losses, because overall, he's been pretty damn good - especially stepping up in the non-wemby games in a key role.

He's probably the guy i trust most to get the offense 'un-stuck' when the lanes are closed for Castle/Fox/harper.

 

[Area 51.247]

well, luckily we don't have many losses, because overall, he's been pretty damn good - especially stepping up in the non-wemby games in a key role.

He's probably the guy i trust most to get the offense 'un-stuck' when the lanes are closed for Castle/Fox/harper.

Wasn't it @scott who pointed out DV's strength in making contested mid-range shots could be useful in playoff and tightly contested games against good defensive teams?

 

[DAF86]

The offense will always be inconsistent for a 4th/5th option. They key for him is to lock on defensively. If he can replicate what he did last night every game, he becomes untouchable. He played SGA as good as anybody I've seen.

 

[twodeep]

Noone is doubting his best performances, it's about him disappearing way to often.
He was at 4-20 FG in 73 minutes before the OKC gam which screams player

Everyone going to have bad games but vassels ups and downs feel like what you get from role players making 10-15 mil you expect more for ones making 25m salary that's the reality.

I don't hate the guy just expect more for 25m in the days of 1st and 2nd aprons

 

[O_V]

That wasn’t a comparison. It was an example.

Okay. I understand now.

DV should be glad the fans expect him to be great and want him to be great. The fact is, to this point in his career, he has not been.

 

[Lefty20]

I'm don't want to excuse Dev's lack of effort on the defensive end. But it is easier to max out and red line the effort meter on the defensive end when you aren't being asked to do more than you're capable off on the offensive side.

Dev(and KJ) now has a role he can succeed in. I see no reason why Dev can't be our Temu Derrick White.

 

[Exstatic]

But only a fraction as ridiculous as defending Devin Vassell by comparing him to Stephen Curry.

No comparison was ever made, just making a point that dinging a player, ANY player, for two isolated missed threes is dumb by pointing out that the GOAT shooter missed more than he made.