Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[Kick-Stand]

Or we can make a run for it this and the next season before Wemby's extension kicks in and then start making sustainability moves.

Having firsts is of critical importance once it comes to sustainability time. Can't give up four of them.

 

[LeBowen]

Having firsts is of critical importance once it comes to sustainability time. Can't give up four of them.

I wouldn't give up four. Or even do that trade for the matter, I'm just saying.
Let's say we trade for Murphy, he does well and we win a championship. Could easily get the same number of picks back.

But with the way Champ has been playing, he might just be our starting PF next season.
Realistically, we have just one rotation spot open since Spurs won't trade away any of their key guys after just one season together.
And then some spot minutes for the 10th man in the rotation.

Fox/Harper/Castle means there are no guard minutes available if they're all playing well.
Vassell/Champ/Keldon as the off ball perimeter players.
Wemby/Kornet is self-explanatory.

It's just Barnes minutes that can realistically be upgraded and I'd prefer to have a big PF instead because it would give us more lineup options.
Bryant, 2026 draft pick, DJG for the 10th man role.

Get that solid PF (maybe even draft a rookie ready to contribute), get a reliable third string big as an insurance policy and that will likely be it...which will result in this place being in full meltdown mode over the summer.

 

[Exstatic]

go for Murphy. Barnes+Sochan+Spurs 26 (Atlanta swap)+Atlanta 27+two other FRP

Hell no. Too much for a guy who will have to adapt his shot diet from lead character to 6-8 man role. This would just become another contract to complain about for many here.

 

[Shmurs]

better to stand pat than bring in old guys who can’t play D or old guys with baggage/podcasts.

 

[OK Computer]

For what? He shot 28% from the three last year and is at 31% this year. He's like a 34 year old Malaki Branham.

My expectations are low for a real contributor. When was the last time a player joined a team mid-season and made a big impact? I’m only looking for intangibles from potential deadline trades.

 

[UbikRex]

Sam Hauser is the guy I wish the spurs could acquire that is cost effective.
I am beginning to think spurs stand pat. Look for your PF in the draft / off season. Everything else just looks too expensive for a trade deadline move.

 

[LeBowen]

When was the last time a player joined a team mid-season and made a big impact?

Derrick in 2022?

 

[Neuromancer]

Derrick in 2022?

PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford in 2024

 

[Neuromancer]

Golden State also had a nice run after trading for Butler last season. Too bad Steph got injured for the playoffs

 

[SpaceCoastSpur]

Just found this site! Spurstalk poster though I had pretty much stopped posting there in 2016. Anyway looks like a big upgrade!

I am not a guy that understands all the cap & trade rules stuff but being here in Florida, if the Spurs wanted to unload Vassels contract (and obviously may not be the case as he appears to have progressed in current role) I wonder if they would look at Wiggins for one year. I think the Heat will move him and at this point he ia best as a PF. I think Spurs could likely get Jovic if they wanted a younger peice. He has really struggled thia year after getting paid but still has upside and contract is much friendlier than Devon. Maybe a Jeremy+devon plus a pick for Wiggins/Jovic.

 

[ambchang]

Solid work there, would be ecstatic if this happened.Yabu and Zion would be a semi-sensical pairing to always have major heft at the PF spot. I did see RC checking out Bassey in Austin. Waiving Dadiet and Biyombo would be a great play. I'd even throw in the much vaunted middling 2nd round pick to sweeten the deal.Who is likely to want the corpse of Kelly O and his soon to be expiring contract, besides us?

Yabu zion and queen will create spacing issues on the court and in the locker room.

 

[CGD]

Their pick is not tradable

Think I’m missing something. I see that if the WAS pick falls outside Top 8 it conveys to NYK. Separately, NYK has their OWN pick currently sitting at 20. Not seeing any encumbrances on that one, at least per Tankathon and RealGM. What are you seeing?

 

[teamduncan21]

Think I’m missing something. I see that if the WAS pick falls outside Top 8 it conveys to NYK. Separately, NYK has their OWN pick currently sitting at 20. Not seeing any encumbrances on that one, at least per Tankathon and RealGM. What are you seeing?

I think it's because they don't have their 2027. So they need to have a pick this year

 

[Exstatic]

Think I’m missing something. I see that if the WAS pick falls outside Top 8 it conveys to NYK. Separately, NYK has their OWN pick currently sitting at 20. Not seeing any encumbrances on that one, at least per Tankathon and RealGM. What are you seeing?

The Washington pick has a near zero chance to convey to NY, so they need to keep this year’s pick, since they don’t have a 2027.

 

[Seventyniner]

As long as that WAS pick has any chance of not conveying, the Knicks can't trade their own pick. The Stepien Rule as I understand it says a team can't ever leave open the possibility of ever going two future consecutive drafts without a first, no matter how unlikely it is.

I don't even think the Knicks could trade that 1-8 protected WAS pick if the Wizards had the best record in the league right now. On the day of the trade deadline it would still be mathematically possible for the team with the best record to lose all their games, fall into the play-in (or out of it entirely), fail to make the playoffs, and lotto their way into a top 4 pick.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

If you add Murphy the 28-29 cap is a mess. Without Murphy and assuming Steph continues on the max contract trajectory he is on and the Spurs sign nobody else due a salary in 28-29 and draft nobody, assuming yearly 7% growth in the cap, the Spurs 28-29 cap sheet looks like:

FOX: $59.2 million
WEMBY: $57.4 million
CASTLE: $47.4 million
VASSELL: $27.0 million
HARPER: $17.2 million
KORNET: $9.4 million

TOTAL (6 players): $217.6 million
CAP: $189.4 million
APRON1: $240.0 million

So you have about $22.4 million to fill out half the roster. Murphy costs $31 million in 28-29. Even without getting Murphy the Spurs are letting go of one of Fox, Castle, or Harper for 2029-30 unless the CBA changes. Make that trade and the Spurs are probably letting go of two of Fox, Castle, Harper, and Murphy for 29-30. So four picks is a lot to give up there IMO when those are really going to be needed to add talent on bargain basement money.

If I'm trading for Murphy it has to be for Vassell, matching salary, one good first (eg the ATL ones or ones with swaps), and one bad first at max. And that's a lot the way Vassell is playing, but it's the only way to make it make any sense whatsoever on paper.

Yup this is exactly why the Spurs can basically only offer the 27 ATL pick in a trade when it comes to first round picks. They will need the later ones to make roster moves once Castle and Harper are due for extensions. With that being said, I think there's a good chance that at least one of Harper/Castle won't necessarily get the max, but more of a Sengun type of deal. Difficult to predict though.

Or we can make a run for it this and the next season before Wemby's extension kicks in and then start making sustainability moves.

That's another good point. Any trade for the TM3's or Markkanen's of the world would most likely be a 1.5 year push for a title. But like I said in the previous point, it would take assets away for one when we need to make moves although a player like that should get you some picks back.

By next season this roster will be loaded. If we indeed make a trade for a 10th guy in the rotation, then sign a player with the MLE in the offseason and draft a more polished PF like Haugh, that's 3 players added to the 9 we got in the rotation plus second year Carter Bryant. At that point we'd really have the players for a big trade by next seasons deadline.

 

[PocketMonger]

I’d trade for Klay with no picks attached. Mavs get out of the final year of his contract (17m).

Kevin Love and Pat Conughton are other no picks attached trade targets who only provide shooting and veteran experience.

We control the Pels 2027 and 2028 second rounders. Nabbing one of Bey or Herb Jones make too much sense not to happen. Perfect match of needs and assets.

Cooled off on Grant Williams. His defensive metrics are strong in a small sample size this season but he’s lost his shot. 32/24/83 shooting splits.

 

[Exstatic]

I’d trade for Klay with no picks attached. Mavs get out of the final year of his contract (17m).

Kevin Love and Pat Conughton are other no picks attached trade targets who only provide shooting and veteran experience.

We control the Pels 2027 and 2028 second rounders. Nabbing one of Bey or Herb Jones make too much sense not to happen. Perfect match of needs and assets.

Cooled off on Grant Williams. His defensive metrics are strong in a small sample size this season but he’s lost his shot. 32/24/83 shooting splits.

So, you accept the D metrics with a small sample size, but don’t reject the uncharacteristic poor shooting in that same small sample size?

I’m not advocating GW, because we already have a better rebounding rim crashing version in Keldon.

 

[PocketMonger]

So, you accept the D metrics with a small sample size, but don’t reject the uncharacteristic poor shooting in that same small sample size?

Fair point. His shot could easily come around. His burly physical profile, defense and playoff experience remain intriguing.

 

[talkspurs]

You ha

go for Murphy. Barnes+Sochan+Spurs 26 (Atlanta swap)+Atlanta 27+two other FRP

You have to be a pelicans fan with that bad of a trade. Spurs also could not give up the 26 and 27 pick.

 

[Neuromancer]

Really don't think it's a given at all at this point that Castle or Harper will be max extension level players

 

[frenchfred]

If you add Murphy the 28-29 cap is a mess. Without Murphy and assuming Steph continues on the max contract trajectory he is on and the Spurs sign nobody else due a salary in 28-29 and draft nobody, assuming yearly 7% growth in the cap, the Spurs 28-29 cap sheet looks like:

FOX: $59.2 million
WEMBY: $57.4 million
CASTLE: $47.4 million
VASSELL: $27.0 million
HARPER: $17.2 million
KORNET: $9.4 million

TOTAL (6 players): $217.6 million
CAP: $189.4 million
APRON1: $240.0 million

So you have about $22.4 million to fill out half the roster. Murphy costs $31 million in 28-29. Even without getting Murphy the Spurs are letting go of one of Fox, Castle, or Harper for 2029-30 unless the CBA changes. Make that trade and the Spurs are probably letting go of two of Fox, Castle, Harper, and Murphy for 29-30. So four picks is a lot to give up there IMO when those are really going to be needed to add talent on bargain basement money.

If I'm trading for Murphy it has to be for Vassell, matching salary, one good first (eg the ATL ones or ones with swaps), and one bad first at max. And that's a lot the way Vassell is playing, but it's the only way to make it make any sense whatsoever on paper.

in my view, 28-29 is when the Spurs would need to move Fox anyway if Castle and Harper develop to the level that we hope for. Of course if we keep Fox, what I'm proposing is not feasible.

 

[frenchfred]

Really don't think it's a given at all at this point that Castle or Harper will be max extension level players

it is way too early for Harper but I agree that Castle is not a lock for max contract. It is going to be interesting next year if Castle goes into his contract negotiation while shooting less than 30% from 3 and turning the ball over like he does

 

[Kick-Stand]

in my view, 28-29 is when the Spurs would need to move Fox anyway if Castle and Harper develop to the level that we hope for. Of course if we keep Fox, what I'm proposing is not feasible.

If you're trading for Murphy and he really is the player his numbers indicate you're giving him a 30% max contract in 2029 which means you can afford only one of Fox, Castle, or Harper and have lost four draft picks you absolutely needed to replenish the supporting cast. There is no adding another star to Wemby, Castle, and Harper*, only subbing Castle or Harper for another one. You can't pay four max or near max deals under this CBA and I doubt the next CBA will be any better since the current one is extremely effective at dropping role player salaries and the owners always win any lockout. If you're trading for a star go all out and trade Castle / Harper and get someone you know is going to be great because you're losing one of them anyways.

*EDIT: Assuming you think Castle and Harper are going to be stars. If you don't then it would be better to trade the one you don't like instead of a bunch of picks.

 

[scott]

If you're trading for Murphy and he really is the player his numbers indicate you're giving him a 30% max contract in 2029 which means you can afford only one of Fox, Castle, or Harper and have lost four draft picks you absolutely needed to replenish the supporting cast. There is no adding another star to Wemby, Castle, and Harper*, only subbing Castle or Harper for another one. You can't pay four max or near max deals under this CBA and I doubt the next CBA will be any better since the current one is extremely effective at dropping role player salaries and the owners always win any lockout. If you're trading for a star go all out and trade Castle / Harper and get someone you know is going to be great because you're losing one of them anyways.

*EDIT: Assuming you think Castle and Harper are going to be stars. If you don't then it would be better to trade the one you don't like instead of a bunch of picks.

I made the claim before the season starts, that Castle and Harper will have a hard team earning a max extension as the third and fourth option on the team... and that's looking (to me anyway) to be looking pretty true. You'd have to be an elite C&S sniper like Prime Klay to earn a max deal if Wemby and Fox are getting the usage they should be getting. Right now, we're sacrificing Fox usage for Castle and it's not exactly painting Castle as a max player, but it's still early.

If you add Murphy to this team without trading away Vassell, there is a zero percent chance any of them put up the numbers to justify a max extension. Even if you traded Vassell to make room for Murphy, it would be tough for even two of TMIII/Castle/Harper to earn a max deal. Hell, even if you also traded away Fox and Vassell right now, I think it would be tough for two of TMIII/Castle/Harper to earn a max extension unless one of them broke out as an All Defensive First Teamer (hey, maybe Castle can?)