Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[scott]

One idea I've heard talked about a little bit:

OKC's dominance is dampening the trade market, as teams realize it is futile to spend your draft capital just to get better and still lose to OKC now.

 

[inagra]

^ Lowe mentioned that a few times. Referred to Morey’s 5% theory. He believed rockets had 5% chance of winning chip vs Durant Warriors and decided that was enough of a chance.

Outside of Denver, the championship pie chart is slim for the rest of the league.

 

[scott]

Sorry for spamming this thread, just sharing ideas as I listen to some NBA content this morning...

What about Time Lord for third C? Not sure what POR would want for him. RW for Sochan works in the trade machine for salary purposes... maybe flip POR an SRP or two?

He's a higher level performer than I envisioned for a third C, but he's completely unreliable from a health perspective which means he HAS to be a third C wherever he goes.

He'd be a huge upgrade over Bismack/Sochan C minutes when they get called upon... and I think we need to start accepting the idea that Wemby and Kornet are going to miss games. It's malpractice to not be prepared for that.

 

[Neuromancer]

I like the Timelord idea but feel like getting a 3rd C for injury emergencies that is even more injury prone than the 2 Cs in front of him is probably a recipe for disaster

 

[dn0774]

Love the player (timelord), health is a concern as mentioned. Would be worth if it only cost a couple 2nds for sure. Not to mention Williams is an expiring after this season and has every reason to want to play/get healthy (needs a contract).

The reason I think its worth the risk is because Biyombo is unplayable by a serious basketball team, Sochan is getting(gotten?) to that point as well. If Timelord is unavailable we're no worse off than before. He's actually played more games than Wemby this year lol.

 

[Exstatic]

If he understands that he can’t play first or second string because if his injury limitations,he could be a good get. He would need to accept that as his role, and be paid according. I mean,even when he’s “healthy” he doesn’t play back to backs.

 

[mo7888]

One idea I've heard talked about a little bit:

OKC's dominance is dampening the trade market, as teams realize it is futile to spend your draft capital just to get better and still lose to OKC now.

I can definitely see that for teams in the west, but in the east there's an opportunity to get to the finals and that should be worth something there.

 

[mo7888]

Sorry for spamming this thread, just sharing ideas as I listen to some NBA content this morning...

What about Time Lord for third C? Not sure what POR would want for him. RW for Sochan works in the trade machine for salary purposes... maybe flip POR an SRP or two?

He's a higher level performer than I envisioned for a third C, but he's completely unreliable from a health perspective which means he HAS to be a third C wherever he goes.

He'd be a huge upgrade over Bismack/Sochan C minutes when they get called upon... and I think we need to start accepting the idea that Wemby and Kornet are going to miss games. It's malpractice to not be prepared for that.

I'd be in favor of this. Assuming we waive BB we'd have a a slot for a buyout candidate as well.

 

[Ariel]

Sorry for spamming this thread, just sharing ideas as I listen to some NBA content this morning...

What about Time Lord for third C? Not sure what POR would want for him. RW for Sochan works in the trade machine for salary purposes... maybe flip POR an SRP or two?

He's a higher level performer than I envisioned for a third C, but he's completely unreliable from a health perspective which means he HAS to be a third C wherever he goes.

He'd be a huge upgrade over Bismack/Sochan C minutes when they get called upon... and I think we need to start accepting the idea that Wemby and Kornet are going to miss games. It's malpractice to not be prepared for that.

You kind of answered yourself, he's a very good NBA player when healthy but that's almost never or he'd be starting on a contender making 25+ million per year. To put this in perspective, he was drafted in 2018 and since then he played 250 regular season games (out of 579 games, 43.2%) and 4984 minutes (out of 27,792, 17.9%). If we only take the 4 past seasons (including this one), he played 76 regular season games (out of 271 games, 28%) and 1524 minutes (out of 13,008, 11.7%). Those numbers are quite telling for a player of his abilities.

IMO the purpose of a third string center is to have him available when you need him to cover for your top guys, and if he's always injured that kind of defeats the purpose, so I'd aim for a 3rd string center who can cover for Wemby's own issues rather than one who makes you think of a 4th center to cover for his, there are going to be a lot of minutes available every season I'm afraid. And this doesn't even account for the 13 million a year he's making and the assets it'd take to acquire him, that may be better spent elsewhere.

I think there's got to be a solid option somewhere in the G League, undrafted, wherever, some teams have the staff to identify these guys and routinely do, it's a shame Spurs aren't among those teams.

 

[spurraider21]

Sorry for spamming this thread, just sharing ideas as I listen to some NBA content this morning...

What about Time Lord for third C? Not sure what POR would want for him. RW for Sochan works in the trade machine for salary purposes... maybe flip POR an SRP or two?

He's a higher level performer than I envisioned for a third C, but he's completely unreliable from a health perspective which means he HAS to be a third C wherever he goes.

He'd be a huge upgrade over Bismack/Sochan C minutes when they get called upon... and I think we need to start accepting the idea that Wemby and Kornet are going to miss games. It's malpractice to not be prepared for that.

dont hate it if its just SRPs

 

[scott]

You kind of answered yourself, he's a very good NBA player when healthy but that's almost never or he'd be starting on a contender making 25+ million per year. To put this in perspective, he was drafted in 2018 and since then he played 250 regular season games (out of 579 games, 43.2%) and 4984 minutes (out of 27,792, 17.9%). If we only take the 4 past seasons (including this one), he played 76 regular season games (out of 271 games, 28%) and 1524 minutes (out of 13,008, 11.7%). Those numbers are quite telling for a player of his abilities.

IMO the purpose of a third string center is to have him available when you need him to cover for your top guys, and if he's always injured that kind of defeats the purpose, so I'd aim for a 3rd string center who can cover for Wemby's own issues rather than one who makes you think of a 4th center to cover for his, there are going to be a lot of minutes available every season I'm afraid. And this doesn't even account for the 13 million a year he's making and the assets it'd take to acquire him, that may be better spent elsewhere.

I think there's got to be a solid option somewhere in the G League, undrafted, wherever, some teams have the staff to identify these guys and routinely do, it's a shame Spurs aren't among those teams.

Well, in theory you mitigate RWIII's injury risk by virtue of him not being an every day player... but we all know how "in theory goes"

I wouldn't be considered about his 13MM/yr, because it's an expiring and if you want to keep him there is an opportunity to do so at the appropriate rate going forward.

 

[Ariel]

Well, in theory you mitigate RWIII's injury risk by virtue of him not being an every day player... but we all know how "in theory goes"

I wouldn't be considered about his 13MM/yr, because it's an expiring and if you want to keep him there is an opportunity to do so at the appropriate rate going forward.

The problem is, he's already missing 88% of the total minutes, I'm not sure how much more you can mitigate his injury risk other than bubble-wrapping him and locking him into a vault. Also, just because he plays 12% of the time and that's all the playing time you need to allocate, it doesn't mean he'll be available the 12% you need him. For an expiring, if we're going to spend some seconds I'd call Orlando and ask for Goga Bitadze first, and I'm sure there are others. If he's a straight up swap with Olynyk (Portland tanks, throw in cash considerations) then I like it better.

 

[TBdog]

How do yall feel about Vassell, Sochan and 2 FRPs (maybe even some 2nds) for Herb Jones and TMIII?

Would the Pels go for it? Should the Spurs go for it? Is it worth it to give up 2 FRPs?

That would pretty much cement our forward rotation.

Fox / Harper
Castle / Champ
TMIII / Keldon
Herb / Barnes
Wemby / Kornet

That's as good of a 10 men rotation as any, tbh.

Yeah, I don't think the spurs are going to shoot some of their draft capital for rotational upgrades. Also I don't think the numbers work.

 

[PocketMonger]

I took a look at Herb Jones advanced stats and its pretty ugly these days.

Through his first three years in the league his average DBPM was 1.5. Over the last two years its + 0.2 and -0.6.

WS/48 has collapsed from an average of about 120 to 25 over the past two years. DRTG rose from 113 to about 122 in this past two seasons as well.

Just turned 27 as a lifelong Pelican so he's never played on a good team but still, these numbers are very troubling for a defense first role player.

 

[scott]

The problem is, he's already missing 88% of the total minutes, I'm not sure how much more you can mitigate his injury risk other than bubble-wrapping him and locking him into a vault. Also, just because he plays 12% of the time and that's all the playing time you need to allocate, it doesn't mean he'll be available the 12% you need him. For an expiring, if we're going to spend some seconds I'd call Orlando and ask for Goga Bitadze first, and I'm sure there are others. If he's a straight up swap with Olynyk (Portland tanks, throw in cash considerations) then I like it better.

He hasn't missed 88% of minutes this far (at least not due to injury). The injury concerns are valid. But I don't think you can say "he's missed 88% over the last 4 years and therefor I'm going to assume only 12% availability going forward"

This season he's been played in 15 of the teams 25 games. 5 of them were to start the season (recovery from offseason knee surgery), he missed one for rest and he's missed the last two with illness (his first back-to-back DNPs of the year since coming back from the surgery). So I would not say he's been injury prone this year.

Goga is a top 8 rotation player on a bargain contract for a team who likely considers themselves a contender in the East... not sure why Orlando would give him to us for seconds.

 

[PocketMonger]

After the OKC victory it's obvious the Spurs are title contenders this season and need a third big man who can compete against the Thunder/Rockets front court. This game should accelerate the clock for the FO I would think. Not looking for a blockbuster just the missing piece to front court.

Olynyk and Sochan's contract combine to 20.5M. They need to use one or both of those contracts for a third big. They can trade this year's first round pick top four protected if needed.

Jalen Smith might be a nice trade target from Chicago. After a 6-1 start the Bulls have gone 3-13 since and might end up being sellers. Smith has one year left on his deal for 9M. He can play C/PF and is shooting three's 37% at volume. Shouldn't cost too much either.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm on board for a trade that improves the Spurs incrementally. I'm not familiar with Jalen Smith's game, but on paper he lines up with team needs and his contract is easy to digest.

Brook Lopez is interesting if he still has 15-20 minute games left in the tank, his $9M has a team option for 2026, so basically a expiring deal. I kind of like this because the opportunity cost is negligible, so a very cheap way to improve playoff seeding.

My favorite trade outcome remains the Spurs low-key making deals to scoop up future draft capital. It's part of the blueprint, right?

 

[ginobilized]

Jalen Smith could be a solid option. Seems like he'd fit in as a player and person. Reuniting Tre, Collins and Sochan has a feel-good component to it. I think there will be some players actively wanting to play here this summer.

 

[CGD]

One idea I've heard talked about a little bit:

OKC's dominance is dampening the trade market, as teams realize it is futile to spend your draft capital just to get better and still lose to OKC now.

And even after last night’s win I’m not sure this is the year for the Spurs to go after them.

 

[Spurminator]

Anyone in the league available that is an absolute prick? From a makeup perspective that's the only thing I feel like we're missing. A borderline dirty bruiser that frustrates and infuriates the opponent. Bonus if he's a C.

Sochan is the closest thing we have but he's not good enough to get regular minutes. I still absolutely covet Valenciunas but the Nuggets aren't sellers. Would the Warriors be ready to part with Draymond? Am I insane?

 

[PocketMonger]

Warriors would never trade Green unless he asked out. Haven’t watched him play much this year but according to advanced stats he’s fallen off a cliff this season.

 

[SpursBills]

Anyone in the league available that is an absolute prick? From a makeup perspective that's the only thing I feel like we're missing. A borderline dirty bruiser that frustrates and infuriates the opponent. Bonus if he's a C.

Sochan is the closest thing we have but he's not good enough to get regular minutes. I still absolutely covet Valenciunas but the Nuggets aren't sellers. Would the Warriors be ready to part with Draymond? Am I insane?

If that's your requirement then the most viable option is probably to see what it would take for Detroit to part with Isaiah Stewart (40% from 3, wants all the smoke)

 

[twodeep]

If the Bucks to do a fire sale I like to get Bobby Portis he has 3 years 13.4 million caps out at 15.5 with player option 3rd year maybe we can help facilitate a Giannis trade and get him

 

[Ariel]

If that's your requirement then the most viable option is probably to see what it would take for Detroit to part with Isaiah Stewart (40% from 3, wants all the smoke)

I very much doubt it will be cheap, JB Bickerstaff just called him "the best defensive center in the league and it's not close" . That's obvious hyperbole but he's a young and productive player under reasonable long term contract who fits the modern game, you'd probably have to give up a good first and good matching, and I'd think about it TBH.

 

[STAT88]

Stewart is way too over qualified for a third string C, he’s really good. But it’s the right archetype.