Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[twodeep]

I never thought I'd be here stanning for Devin... but I don't think we have to worry about this too much.

Devin is playing his role quite well. He's playing good D, his scoring is up and down but he's a 4th/5th option and teams know that. I think what is important is that he performed quite well when he was forced into a 2nd Option role in this last stretch of games. Teams will see that and some will think that Devin is underutilized here and view him as a target as someone who needs a bigger role. Especially teams who won't be contenders soon but see an opportunity to add salary to hit the floor and potentially further build Devin's value to flip later.

I don't think we should be too worried about dumping Devin quickly just because we're concerned about his value dipping. If the right opportunity comes along, great... but for now, he's filling the role nicely.

Also a team can try and sell their fan base that they are getting a young player to build with and try to win with

 

[DAF86]

I'm the Founder of TMIII To The Spurs Incorporated, so it's not like I don't rate TMIII... I just don't see that swap as being worthy of an FRP, especially since it does nothing to solve the problem (in fact it makes worse) we already have with Vassell's contract not really fitting with our projected future cap situation. TMIII's contract has the same number of years remaining, but he gets paid even more in years 3 and 4 than Vassell does.

There is only one ball to go around, and I don't see how it can work with a guy like TMIII here.



He did that filling in as the 2nd option (which is awesome), but if Devin is capable of doing that... what do you need someone else for?

The only real benefit to TMIII over Devin would be that he provides real size at the 3 that Devin lacks... but Murphy's defense is really any better than Devin's, and their shooting is pretty close (Devin's actually better this year). Plus, there is a very valid question of whether TMIII is a tank commander and whether he'd be willing to adapt to the role that he needs to play here (Devin has).

Just my opinion, but I don't think we need to move Devin for what we perceive to be a better version of the same kind of player Devin is... if we move him, it should be for a legit 3&D wing with size. Herb fits that description a lot better than TMIII, who's defense has fallen off considerably as he's focused on being a scorer.

I think that's the only piece we are missing (outside of maybe a Duncan Robinson type). Herb Jones, Risacher as a reclamation project. I think TMIII could be an option, if we tell him to focus less on being a scorer and more on playing D, but the contract might be too high for a 3 and D. Which are other options?

 

[RC_Drunkford]

TMIII would pretty much be Vassell but with, hopefully, better defense and real forward size. We have seen how important it is to have depth, and have your 4th guy be able to drop 30/40 on ant given night in today's NBA. I would be willing to give up a 20 something draft pick for that, tbh.

all the metrics say he's worse on defense

 

[DAF86]

all the metrics say he's worse on defense

On a much worse team. His metrics would improve here.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I think that's the only piece we are missing (outside of maybe a Duncan Robinson type). Herb Jones, Risacher as a reclamation project. I think TMIII could be an option, if we tell him to focus less on being a scorer and more on playing D, but the contract might be too high for a 3 and D. Which are other options?

Herb makes a lot more sense, because our issue ain't offense. It's perimeter defense. And I wouldn't trade Vassell for that 3-and-D wing. I'd trade Sochan + Olynyk.

 

[OK Computer]

Herb makes a lot more sense, because our issue ain't offense. It's perimeter defense. And I wouldn't trade Vassell for that 3-and-D wing. I'd trade Sochan + Olynyk.

Bro no one is taking that garbage

 

[STAT88]

The more I think about it the more I’m coming around to Herb Jones over TMIII purely due to fit and complementary skillsets, and understanding there’s only one basketball to go around.

The Spurs already have 4x 20 PPG guys in Wemby, Fox, Castle, Harper (won’t be long before he’s there) that’s 80 PPG straight up give or take. The four role player forwards in Barnes, Vassell, Champ, Keldon only need to average 10 PPG each and the scoring is already up to 120 PPG which is what they’re averaging on the season which is good for 6th highest in the league. Throw in 5 PPG for Kornet. You’re not going to average more than 125 PPG. So you are a a point where if you bring in Murphy it’s not really additive your just cannibalising shots/usage between the main guys to get Murphy his looks to justify his contract and average 20 PPG. So while replacing Vassell with TMIII absolutely makes the Spurs better imo it’s not by that much. The defense would marginally improve because I do think Murphy is better defensively than Vassell especially at the 3 based purely on positional size.

Herb Jones on the other hand can take one of those role player forward slots and average around 10 PPG, space the floor to a reasonable degree, add positional size while playing elite defense which is an area sorely lacking especially when Wemby is not on the flooor.

Also, Herb and Castle could become the new wingstop duo.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Bro no one is taking that garbage

I'm not saying trade them for a star player. Plenty of cheap rotation forwards out there that you could easily get for Sochan and a 2nd round pick. Those "trade Devin and 2 picks for TM3" trade scenarios are idiotic. TM3 would average Devin numbers here, wouldn't be better on defense and would earn even more money.

And tanking teams would absolutely take Olynyk and Sochan to get rid of 20 million in salary, so they can flip their cap space for more assets. We've done this for years.

 

[PocketMonger]

Centel just Tweeted Giannis to the Spurs. I know it’s a parody account but they’ve been ahead of the news a few times so who knows.

 

[BacktoBasics]

TMIII would pretty much be Vassell but with, hopefully, better defense and real forward size. We have seen how important it is to have depth, and have your 4th guy be able to drop 30/40 on ant given night in today's NBA. I would be willing to give up a 20 something draft pick for that, tbh.

This same group thinks Vassell has to go. No matter what. Because money.

But will entertain a trade for a guy who will surely command more.

I’m not pointing to you specifically but there is a disconnect with the Vassell must go crowd and those willing to fork over future picks for a similar contract for a guy that is likely to ask for more just around the corner.

 

[scott]

This same group thinks Vassell has to go. No matter what. Because money.

But will entertain a trade for a guy who will surely command more.

I’m not pointing to you specifically but there is a disconnect with the Vassell must go crowd and those willing to fork over future picks for a similar contract for a guy that is likely to ask for more just around the corner.

TMIII still has 3 years left on his deal past this one (like Vassell), for more money than Vassell makes.

Whether or not he'll ask for more isn't anything to worry about... but whatever concerns there are about Vassell's contract are already worse for TMIII.

 

[STAT88]

Pels could easily prefer expiring and picks over Vassell’s $110M remaining. Think Vassell’s trade value is def positive after his stellar play this year, but it’s still a lot of money for a non needle mover

 

[BacktoBasics]

TMIII still has 3 years left on his deal past this one (like Vassell), for more money than Vassell makes.

Whether or not he'll ask for more isn't anything to worry about... but whatever concerns there are about Vassell's contract are already worse for TMIII.

I must have read wrong. I saw two years at 25 mil each.

 

[DAF86]

This same group thinks Vassell has to go. No matter what. Because money.

But will entertain a trade for a guy who will surely command more.

I’m not pointing to you specifically but there is a disconnect with the Vassell must go crowd and those willing to fork over future picks for a similar contract for a guy that is likely to ask for more just around the corner.

To be fair, I have never been a Vassell hater. I just think TMIII would fit better than him.

 

[couchman]

The team chemistry is so good that I doubt we make any major moves that could disrupt that unless someone on the team starts to have bad vibes

 

[spursparker9]

The team chemistry is so good that I doubt we make any major moves that could disrupt that unless someone on the team starts to have bad vibes

Kuminga is sulking after getting DNP despite GSW did not having Curry, Draymond and Horford due to injuries

Hopefully someone on our team getting DNP will not cause any drama

 

[couchman]

That’s exactly what I’m thinking as well

 

[Exstatic]

Kuminga is sulking after getting DNP despite GSW did not having Curry, Draymond and Horford due to injuries

Hopefully someone on our team getting DNP will not cause any drama

Kuminga made his own bed. He refused for several years to play ball movement, which is Gus’s bread and butter.

 

[spurraider21]

Risacher for Sochan and we give them their swap back?

i mean i'd do that in a heartbeat but i dont see why ATL would

 

[Exstatic]

i mean i'd do that in a heartbeat but i dont see why ATL would

With the additional swaps attached, specifically Cleveland, I’m not sure giving it back adds a lot of value. If you check TaT, we swap with ATL, taking 14. They then take their swap option with Cleveland, and move down from our 25 position to 17 where Cleveland is. Subtracting us from the equation helps Cleveland a lot, but only improves ATLs position from 17 to 14.

 

[spurraider21]

With the additional swaps attached, specifically Cleveland, I’m not sure giving it back adds a lot of value. If you check TaT, we swap with ATL, taking 14. They then take their swap option with Cleveland, and move down from our 25 position to 17 where Cleveland is. Subtracting us from the equation helps Cleveland a lot, but only improves ATLs position from 17 to 14.

hm, i didnt know about the CLE swap. doesnt directly affect the spurs, but yeah it limits the upside of ATL making a move like this

we just gotta hope ATL stays in the play-in bracket again, cant see them falling below 10 sadly. chicago is in free-fall and barring some ridiculous AD trade who stays healthy and elevates them, i dont see it for them. the floor for ATL seems set

 

[scott]

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NBA Trade Season pretty much kicks off on Monday, when a lot of off-season signings become trade eligible.

 

[scott]

hm, i didnt know about the CLE swap. doesnt directly affect the spurs, but yeah it limits the upside of ATL making a move like this

we just gotta hope ATL stays in the play-in bracket again, cant see them falling below 10 sadly. chicago is in free-fall and barring some ridiculous AD trade who stays healthy and elevates them, i dont see it for them. the floor for ATL seems set

Kudos to ATL for basically completely neutralizing the impacts of the Dejounte trade. By the time the payment came due, it was completely irrelevant to them (in large part due to NOP, in two separate deals, of course. New Orleans is to Atlanta as Sacramento is to us)

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I‘ll say this: while we are discussing a lot
of 6‘5“-6‘6“ wings, we really need a PF who can bully Chet. That‘s why PJ Washington has always been my favorite target.

Looking at our playoff competition, the other teams PFs are Chet, Gordon, Sengun, Randle, Hachimura. We need a 3-and-D guy with legit size at the 4.
We won‘t be able to get away playing Barnes against these teams everytime.

 

[Unseen]

Yeah, we still need an enforcer when teams start going hard at Wemby. I know Sochan has shown a bit of this but he's to ineffective to be out on the floor to be able to do much of that.

But yeah, it would be nice for a player to be around that will get in scuffels when needed so Wemby doesn't get in foul trouble or be put at risk of getting himself ejected.