Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[Ariel]

Yes, I'm referring to Atlanta adding a pick package. My thoughts on Porzingis is that we've got half a season to see how he fits with Wemby and Luke in that rotation. If it work then we try and resign him and if not then we free up cap space. Kennard is just a piece off the bench that fits with any of our back court guy because of his ability to provide spacing. You aren't coming off of him to help on a Cadtle drive or he'll burn you from out there.

Personally I don't need to see any more on Pozingis, we have many years of evidence to show he's very unreliable and that isn't going to improve now that he's on the wrong side of 30. With availability being a concern with Wemby and dare I say Kornet as well, I think we need a long term 3rd center with real rim protection that can be relied on when one of them is missing, which is likely to be a significant number of minutes each season.

Also, I don't want to help Atlanta dilute the value of their picks further, here they're getting AD for basically nothing players wise, so it won't hurt them if AD is injured and may help them big time if he has a healthy season.

For these reasons I'm out on this particular proposal, but I'm all for exploring scenarios for improving the team, especially using Vassell's contract.

 

[mo7888]

Personally I don't need to see any more on Pozingis, we have many years of evidence to show he's very unreliable and that isn't going to improve now that he's on the wrong side of 30. With availability being a concern with Wemby and dare I say Kornet as well, I think we need a long term 3rd center with real rim protection that can be relied on when one of them is missing, which is likely to be a significant number of minutes each season.

Also, I don't want to help Atlanta dilute the value of their picks further, here they're getting AD for basically nothing players wise, so it won't hurt them if AD is injured and may help them big time if he has a healthy season.

For these reasons I'm out on this particular proposal, but I'm all for exploring scenarios for improving the team, especially using Vassell's contract.

I know what Porzingis is as well, I even know how he fits with Luke, what I don't know is how he fits with Wemby or how his body will hold up with a smaller role. As for Atlanta getting AD for basically "nothing", that's happening whether we are in the deal or not. We actually have to hope Dallas values Devins fit next to Coop for a couple of years leading their tank brigade if we were even able to get in on this deal.

So AD is in Atlanta either way.... If we do nothing we still have Devin under contract next year...if we do the deal and Porzingis doesn't work we have roughly $40M coming off the cap this summer.... it's a low risk high reward scenario.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

Anyone have thoughts on Risacher, both his game and situation? ATL games are blocked on my League Pass, and it's difficult to glean anything from the box scores - I'd say he's not exactly taking a leap, but not terrible either ...well, 3-pt is hovering at 30%. I would not give up a lot, but if the Hawks shake things up in their front court, maybe they would rather convert Risacher's $15M-ish salary into something that fits better with their future plans, and maybe that includes Jeremy's expiring deal.

 

[Exstatic]

Anyone have thoughts on Risacher, both his game and situation? ATL games are blocked on my League Pass, and it's difficult to glean anything from the box scores - I'd say he's not exactly taking a leap, but not terrible either ...well, 3-pt is hovering at 30%. I would not give up a lot, but if the Hawks shake things up in their front court, maybe they would rather convert Risacher's $15M-ish salary into something that fits better with their future plans, and maybe that includes Jeremy's expiring deal.

Nah, I’m out on Risacher. High draft picks have really big contracts for rookie deals, and their QOs after year four are crazy if they’re not producing. It’s always been my contention that struggling high picks have a shorter window than struggling mid round picks.

 

[bozhemoi]

I'm with Ex.

Risacher is who I thought he was - a player with a good frame and mobility who wasn't actually a great shooter and did barely anything else. He's barely shooting better than Castle from distance and Steph does so, so, so much more. Tagged with a #1 draft pick salary, that's pretty rough.

 

[Uncle Oscar]

Atlanta- AD

Dallas- Devin + Olynyk + Atl pick package

Spurs- Porzingis + Kennard

I'm not a fan of sending players to division rivals we play several times per year. It conjures up memories of Vernon Maxwell terrorizing us for years when we "sold him like a slave" to Houston. And then years later Scola also being a thorn in our side. I prefer to move Vassel and Sochan to Eastern Conference teams

 

[NASpurs]

Anthony Davis trade guide: Five deals for Dallas, and why each comes with massive risk

With AD trade buzz ramping up, our experts propose five deals that could shift the league's balance of power.

www.espn.com

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Spurs get:

Anthony Davis

Mavericks get:

Harrison Barnes
Keldon Johnson
Luke Kornet
2026 second-round pick (via Jazz)
2028 and 2029 second-round picks (via Bulls)
Extinguish 2030 first-round swap rights

Bulls get:

Naji Marshall

 

[Guru of Nothing]

Anthony Davis trade guide: Five deals for Dallas, and why each comes with massive risk

With AD trade buzz ramping up, our experts propose five deals that could shift the league's balance of power.

www.espn.com

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Spurs get:

Anthony Davis

Mavericks get:

Harrison Barnes
Keldon Johnson
Luke Kornet
2026 second-round pick (via Jazz)
2028 and 2029 second-round picks (via Bulls)
Extinguish 2030 first-round swap rights

Bulls get:

Naji Marshall

I'm gonna need to see pics of AD's wardrobe first.

 

[Exstatic]

I'm gonna need to see pics of AD's wardrobe first.

It’ll be strictly street clothes.

 

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Anthony Davis trade guide: Five deals for Dallas, and why each comes with massive risk

With AD trade buzz ramping up, our experts propose five deals that could shift the league's balance of power.

www.espn.com

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Spurs get:

Anthony Davis

Mavericks get:

Harrison Barnes
Keldon Johnson
Luke Kornet
2026 second-round pick (via Jazz)
2028 and 2029 second-round picks (via Bulls)
Extinguish 2030 first-round swap rights

Bulls get:

Naji Marshall

This might be a worse deal than all the rumored Giannis trades.

Trading three rotation players, including an emerging sixth man of the year candidate, for broken ass AD?

Nico ain't running the Spurs FO.

 

[scott]

Looks like vassel will be the odd man out in SA need to unload him before his value starts dipping

I never thought I'd be here stanning for Devin... but I don't think we have to worry about this too much.

Devin is playing his role quite well. He's playing good D, his scoring is up and down but he's a 4th/5th option and teams know that. I think what is important is that he performed quite well when he was forced into a 2nd Option role in this last stretch of games. Teams will see that and some will think that Devin is underutilized here and view him as a target as someone who needs a bigger role. Especially teams who won't be contenders soon but see an opportunity to add salary to hit the floor and potentially further build Devin's value to flip later.

I don't think we should be too worried about dumping Devin quickly just because we're concerned about his value dipping. If the right opportunity comes along, great... but for now, he's filling the role nicely.

 

[Shmurs]

it may become an urgent matter to address if 16ppg Devin shrinks down to 11ppg once the main attraction comes back. 11ppg Devin at 27 mill might be difficult to move. And by the time where we need to unload in a few years, we may have to attach a rider to get off of him.

His qualities this season are good for this team. But that’s a tough asset. May get tougher

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Again people here don’t seem to understand that there‘s only one basketball to go around. For the stretch without Wemby and Castle, Devin‘s numbers are:

19.3 PPG, 3.9 RB, 2.8 AST, 1 STL, 0.8 BLK on 48/46/96 shooting.

Guess what? If we trade him for a 20 PPG scorer, that guy‘s numbers will go down to 15 PPG too, because he will get lesser shots.

 

[DAF86]

Anyone have thoughts on Risacher, both his game and situation? ATL games are blocked on my League Pass, and it's difficult to glean anything from the box scores - I'd say he's not exactly taking a leap, but not terrible either ...well, 3-pt is hovering at 30%. I would not give up a lot, but if the Hawks shake things up in their front court, maybe they would rather convert Risacher's $15M-ish salary into something that fits better with their future plans, and maybe that includes Jeremy's expiring deal.

Risacher for Sochan and we give them their swap back?

 

[DAF86]

How do yall feel about Vassell, Sochan and 2 FRPs (maybe even some 2nds) for Herb Jones and TMIII?

Would the Pels go for it? Should the Spurs go for it? Is it worth it to give up 2 FRPs?

That would pretty much cement our forward rotation.

Fox / Harper
Castle / Champ
TMIII / Keldon
Herb / Barnes
Wemby / Kornet

That's as good of a 10 men rotation as any, tbh.

 

[scott]

How do yall feel about Vassell, Sochan and 2 FRPs (maybe even some 2nds) for Herb Jones and TMIII?

Would the Pels go for it? Should the Spurs go for it? Is it worth it to give up 2 FRPs?

That would pretty much cement our forward rotation.

Fox / Harper
Castle / Champ
TMIII / Keldon
Herb / Barnes
Wemby / Kornet

That's as good of a 10 men rotation as any, tbh.

I'm not interesting in giving up FRPs (let alone two of them) for a 4th option SF who will be reduced to 8 shots/game and everyone will start saying "sucks" because he is playing his role on this team.

Herb is interesting and would be a good fit (low usage 3&D guy) though

 

[PocketMonger]

I like the Risacher trade ideas but I doubt the Hawks part with him unless it involves a star or super star.

Herb Jones would be a great pickup.

I wonder how much value the Hawks/Spurs swap is worth top four protected. If you understand how the lotto works either that pick will land in the 10-20 range or it jumps into the top four via the lottery draw.

 

[OK Computer]

I'm not interesting in giving up FRPs (let alone two of them) for a 4th option SF who will be reduced to 8 shots/game and everyone will start saying "sucks" because he is playing his role on this team.

Herb is interesting and would be a good fit (low usage 3&D guy) though

Agreed. On the flip side, going after someone with a lower baseline who’s never proven they can handle consistent rotation responsibility on a real team isn’t exactly a smart bet either. You’re hoping they become something they haven’t shown yet.

That’s why the realistic lane ends up being vets who already know exactly what they are. Someone like Barnes fits because he’s been through everything, he’s not looking to expand his role, and he knows how to contribute without needing the ball. That’s a way cleaner fit than trying to force some young “grow with the core” narrative onto every target.

For me, the only youth that actually matters is the core group Harper, Castle, Fox, Wemby. Outside of that, age isn’t the thing to worry about. The question is whether the guy can reliably fill his role and whether he’s actually happy being part of a winning team.

 

[DAF86]

I'm not interesting in giving up FRPs (let alone two of them) for a 4th option SF who will be reduced to 8 shots/game and everyone will start saying "sucks" because he is playing his role on this team.

Herb is interesting and would be a good fit (low usage 3&D guy) though

TMIII would pretty much be Vassell but with, hopefully, better defense and real forward size. We have seen how important it is to have depth, and have your 4th guy be able to drop 30/40 on ant given night in today's NBA. I would be willing to give up a 20 something draft pick for that, tbh.

 

[Exstatic]

Risacher for Sochan and we give them their swap back?

 

[Exstatic]

TMIII would pretty much be Vassell but with, hopefully, better defense and real forward size. We have seen how important it is to have depth, and have your 4th guy be able to drop 30/40 on ant given night in today's NBA. I would be willing to give up a 20 something draft pick for that, tbh.

He’s not ever going to drop 30 or 40 here. His role would be exactly that of Vassell.

 

[Neuromancer]

I don't think that's that bad. Sochan is terrible and that swap is probably not going to get us more than a couple spots if any. I'd probably make that trade tbh. Risacher is the archetype the team needs

 

[Neuromancer]

He’s not ever going to drop 30 or 40 here. His role would be exactly that of Vassell.

Vassell just dropped 37 a few games ago

 

[scott]

TMIII would pretty much be Vassell but with, hopefully, better defense and real forward size. We have seen how important it is to have depth, and have your 4th guy be able to drop 30/40 on ant given night in today's NBA. I would be willing to give up a 20 something draft pick for that, tbh.

I'm the Founder of TMIII To The Spurs Incorporated, so it's not like I don't rate TMIII... I just don't see that swap as being worthy of an FRP, especially since it does nothing to solve the problem (in fact it makes worse) we already have with Vassell's contract not really fitting with our projected future cap situation. TMIII's contract has the same number of years remaining, but he gets paid even more in years 3 and 4 than Vassell does.

There is only one ball to go around, and I don't see how it can work with a guy like TMIII here.

Vassell just dropped 37 a few games ago

He did that filling in as the 2nd option (which is awesome), but if Devin is capable of doing that... what do you need someone else for?

The only real benefit to TMIII over Devin would be that he provides real size at the 3 that Devin lacks... but Murphy's defense is really any better than Devin's, and their shooting is pretty close (Devin's actually better this year). Plus, there is a very valid question of whether TMIII is a tank commander and whether he'd be willing to adapt to the role that he needs to play here (Devin has).

Just my opinion, but I don't think we need to move Devin for what we perceive to be a better version of the same kind of player Devin is... if we move him, it should be for a legit 3&D wing with size. Herb fits that description a lot better than TMIII, who's defense has fallen off considerably as he's focused on being a scorer.

 

[DAF86]

He’s not ever going to drop 30 or 40 here. His role would be exactly that of Vassell.

Vassell literally dropped 35 vs the Nuggets a couple of nights ago.