Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[mo7888]

Trading Harper for Giannis has PG13 vibes for sure…

People will say “PG13 is not Giannis” but OKC traded PG13 coming off a season where he finished 3rd in MVP voting and 3rd in DPOY voting. PG13 doesn’t have the career legacy of Giannis… but PG at 28 was just as good, if not better, as Giannis at 31.

Even if I wanted to make a serious offer, Harper wouldn't be in it. That's a non starter for me.

 

[mo7888]

Now that the Giannis thing is getting shoved to the back burner for a bit (thank you Brian Windhorst) let's look at a couple smaller trades.

1) what do you think it would take to get Kennard or Vit from ATL?

2) Sochan to LA for NSJ and Knecht. Who says no?

 

[OK Computer]

What the Spurs need to find are the NAWs and the Barnes of the world. Afterthoughts by every NBA fan, but each with a lot to give.

 

[mo7888]

What the Spurs need to find are the NAWs and the Barnes of the world. Afterthoughts by every NBA fan, but each with a lot to give.

No argument from me... what guys do you see in that mold that might be available?

 

[LeBowen]

What the Spurs need to find are the NAWs and the Barnes of the world. Afterthoughts by every NBA fan, but each with a lot to give.

I'll go a level lower and say that we could use another Champagnie or two. Keep shuffling third stringers until we hit gold.
We might be onto something with DJG.

As I wrote the other day, my moves for the next season would be something like:
1. Decline Champagnie's player option and give him a descending 4 year deal that would get him the same money like he would if we take the option and give him the extension a year later.
2. Offer Barnes a cheaper extension. Effectively pay two of them the same money we're paying now, just shift more of it towards Champ.
3. Find a competent third string big in the second round or free agency. Ideally someone young who can take over from Kornet in a couple of years.
4. Give DJG a similar deal to what Champ got a couple of years ago.
5. If Bryant develops into a legit contributor by the end of the season, we probably don't even need another forward. Ideally take another 3-D guy in the draft, but someone more ready. Or trade the pick away again because we'll need them in the future.
6. Jeremy is a lost cause as of now, just let him go. Maybe he stays on a qualifying offer.
7. If Bryant isn't ready and Jeremy is gone, get a bigger defensive forward for the bench.

If everyone is healthy and keeps developing on current trajectory, our situation is almost ideal. Basically just missing a legit wing for the future if Bryant doesn't develop.
If he does, we're good to go.

 

[scott]

Now that the Giannis thing is getting shoved to the back burner for a bit (thank you Brian Windhorst) let's look at a couple smaller trades.

1) what do you think it would take to get Kennard or Vit from ATL?

2) Sochan to LA for NSJ and Knecht. Who says no?

I always just assume that trade ideas with LAL are a no-fly zone... I think Knecht would be an interesting fit, but I don't see what we would do with NSJ.

Jay Huff was my 3rd string C idea, but he's played his way out of that kind of role for anyone. Need to find other guys. The fact that we're going to see a heavy dose of Kelly/Sochan/Bismack at C tonight should be a giant red flag to the FO that we need to do something there. I won't go into it on my guy Bassey... but I would at least prefer Micah Potter on the team over Bismack.

 

[LeBowen]

I always just assume that trade ideas with LAL are a no-fly zone... I think Knecht would be an interesting fit, but I don't see what we would do with NSJ.

I think Hachimura would be a good fit, he's a free agent next summer.
His rebounding is subpar for his size, but he's shooting 42% from 3pt in his 3 seasons with the Lakers. 47% this season.
He's basically their Barnes.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

Dom Barlow making us proud manning the starting PF gig in Philly. Good job, young man!

I wish we'd kept him.

 

[mo7888]

I always just assume that trade ideas with LAL are a no-fly zone... I think Knecht would be an interesting fit, but I don't see what we would do with NSJ.

Jay Huff was my 3rd string C idea, but he's played his way out of that kind of role for anyone. Need to find other guys. The fact that we're going to see a heavy dose of Kelly/Sochan/Bismack at C tonight should be a giant red flag to the FO that we need to do something there. I won't go into it on my guy Bassey... but I would at least prefer Micah Potter on the team over Bismack.

Yeah, I agree on Huff, he's already blossomed to the point that he's not gettable.

LA is hard to deal with for sure, but I think they might see value in Jeremy. As for NSJ, I see him taking McG's spot. He's also a guy who shoots a good percentage from 3 and could fill in when we have these nagging injuries like we've had.

 

[OK Computer]

No argument from me... what guys do you see in that mold that might be available?

People will not agree with this, but I really, really liked what I saw from Jalen Suggs.

He would probably push DJG out though so probably not a good idea.

 

[LeBowen]

People will not agree with this, but I really, really liked what I saw from Jalen Suggs.

He would probably push DJG out though so probably not a good idea.

I won't agree because Suggs doesn't fit our needs.
Another guard that's not a great shooter.

I'm not sure why would you compare him with DJG since he's earning more than Devin.
Suggs would push Devin out and is unlikely to even be available.

Fox/Harper/Castle is our guard rotation.
Even if we expand it to 3 positions instaed of 2 and play them all together, then you have to add Devin and one of Keldon/Champ into the mix.

If Harper and Castle are as good as advertised, we don't really need another sterer level player that can't be the nominal PF when all 3 of them are on the floor.

The way I see it long-term closing lineup will be Fox/Harper/Castle/?/Wemby, with everyone auditioning for that ? spot.

 

[spurraider21]

I always just assume that trade ideas with LAL are a no-fly zone... I think Knecht would be an interesting fit, but I don't see what we would do with NSJ.

Jay Huff was my 3rd string C idea, but he's played his way out of that kind of role for anyone. Need to find other guys. The fact that we're going to see a heavy dose of Kelly/Sochan/Bismack at C tonight should be a giant red flag to the FO that we need to do something there. I won't go into it on my guy Bassey... but I would at least prefer Micah Potter on the team over Bismack.

Huff is blocking more shots than wemby on a per minute and per possession basis this season by fairly significant margins

 

[OK Computer]

I won't agree because Suggs doesn't fit our needs.
Another guard that's not a great shooter.

I'm not sure why would you compare him with DJG since he's earning more than Devin.
Suggs would push Devin out and is unlikely to even be available.

Fox/Harper/Castle is our guard rotation.
Even if we expand it to 3 positions instaed of 2 and play them all together, then you have to add Devin and one of Keldon/Champ into the mix.

If Harper and Castle are as good as advertised, we don't really need another sterer level player that can't be the nominal PF when all 3 of them are on the floor.

The way I see it long-term closing lineup will be Fox/Harper/Castle/?/Wemby, with everyone auditioning for that ? spot.

I didn’t realize he earned that much. I thought he was just being paid the MLE or less! In that case, what a scrub!

The thing that appealed to me the most was his potential to be on the All Defense teams. Defense will always win me over offense, tbh. I just think players can figure out how to be useful on offense. On defense? Not really.

 

[scott]

Huff is blocking more shots than wemby on a per minute and per possession basis this season by fairly significant margins

Yeah, I mentioned Huff very early in the season when it was clear we needed more C depth. My idea was to send the SRPs we're inevitably going to sell IND for cash later anyway for him.

But since then he's been a demon and with his contract has created one of those Champ/Keon Ellis situations where he's untouchable because his contract is such a bargain you can never get value back equal to what he's sending out.

If we had Huff backing up Kornet while Wemby is out, we could afford to give Wemby even more time to heal up that calf and even game manage him to 65 games and have him fresh for the playoffs. Oh well.

We need to find the next Jay Huff. I wonder if NOP would be willing to listen to interest around Karlo Matkovic

 

[scott]

I'm not sure if this Jalen Suggs conversation is serious or in jest... former #4 overall pick in the first year of a 5/150...

 

[Quentin_Compson]

I think it's OK Computer being funny or trying to make some kind of point.

 

[DTW]

At this point, I don't see the Spurs touching the preferred rotation period. They probably won't make any trade, with the possible exception of packaging Sochan and Olynyk for a younger PF to take some pressure off of and maybe eventually replace Barnes within' the next few years.

 

[mo7888]

People will not agree with this, but I really, really liked what I saw from Jalen Suggs.

He would probably push DJG out though so probably not a good idea.

That $30M contract would be a hard one to swallow, but yes, I do like his game defensively. I wish he could shoot.

 

[spursfanfromafar]

Some or one of the good role players in well coached teams whom the Spurs could target - Jordan Walsh, Josh Minott and Neemias Quetta from the Celtics (in repeater tax hell but with little incentive to trade their lower paid performing players).

Once the salaries become too big for OKC pry out someone like Jaylin Williams. One dark horse role player who could emulate Champagnie's parh if he gets a chance to play for a contender like the Spurs is his twin brother, Justin, i think, who has had a bad season this year but was good for his role last season in Washington.

These will be my choices if and when the Spurs realise that Sochan is an empty asset and replace him.

Other than that..try retaining the role player core in Kornet, Vassell, Johnson, Barnes and Champagnie. And hope for further improvement from Castle and Harper into All Stars besides the two in Wemby and Fox. The Spurs should be set.

 

[spurraider21]

Some or one of the good role players in well coached teams whom the Spurs could target - Jordan Walsh, Josh Minott and Neemias Quetta from the Celtics (in repeater tax hell but with little incentive to trade their lower paid performing players).

Once the salaries become too big for OKC pry out someone like Jaylin Williams. One dark horse role player who could emulate Champagnie's parh if he gets a chance to play for a contender like the Spurs is his twin brother, Justin, i think, who has had a bad season this year but was good for his role last season in Washington.

These will be my choices if and when the Spurs realise that Sochan is an empty asset and replace him.

Other than that..try retaining the role player core in Kornet, Vassell, Johnson, Barnes and Champagnie. And hope for further improvement from Castle and Harper into All Stars besides the two in Wemby and Fox. The Spurs should be set.

luxury tax line next year is expected to be about 201mil, and assuming they let Simons walk, they have about 180mil in salary going into the offseason. they're not a lock to be tax offenders next year. keep in mind they shed KP and Jrue this past summer in addition to letting horford walk

and a tax team is not going to want to part with cheap role players like the ones you mentioned. thats exactly the types they are going to keep

 

[scott]

Good call outs @spursfanfromafar!

I've thought about Justin Champagnie. He had a really nice run at the end of last season and is on a similar bargain contract to Julian's. Unfortunately he's the smaller of the two twins... if he was slightly bigger he'd be a decent cheap PF depth option.

Also looking at WAS... I wonder how strongly they feel about Vukcevic or even... dare I say... Marvin Bagley.

We're just looking for depth at PF or C here... and hey, we've had some good success with former Kings as of late...

I wonder how Marvin and De'Aaron got along.

 

[spursfanfromafar]

luxury tax line next year is expected to be about 201mil, and assuming they let Simons walk, they have about 180mil in salary going into the offseason. they're not a lock to be tax offenders next year. keep in mind they shed KP and Jrue this past summer in addition to letting horford walk

and a tax team is not going to want to part with cheap role players like the ones you mentioned. thats exactly the types they are going to keep

Yeah. Thats what I said too. But there is a chance that they may cut one of the three good role players or be willing to trade because they don't have cap room to sign them for more years..when their salaries expire next season.

 

[spursfanfromafar]

Good call outs @spursfanfromafar!

I've thought about Justin Champagnie. He had a really nice run at the end of last season and is on a similar bargain contract to Julian's. Unfortunately he's the smaller of the two twins... if he was slightly bigger he'd be a decent cheap PF depth option.

Also looking at WAS... I wonder how strongly they feel about Vukcevic or even... dare I say... Marvin Bagley.

We're just looking for depth at PF or C here... and hey, we've had some good success with former Kings as of late...

I wonder how Marvin and De'Aaron got along.

Bagley will be a good get but the Wiz have little going for them and will hold on to him and Justin, I think.

 

[scott]

Bagley will be a good get but the Wiz have little going for them and will hold on to him and Justin, I think.

It's because the Wiz have so little going for them that I think Bagley (and Justin to a lesser extent) are gettable. Bagley is on a 1-year min deal and can just walk this summer anyway. I think the Wiz would consider it a major victory to get an SRP or two for him now. If I'm the Spurs, I'd try to see if that is doable. He'd at a minimum be a major upgrade over Bismack, but he could potentially be a rotation PF for us as well, competing for those Sochan/Kelly minutes.

I don't see how the Wiz would resist an offer of something like:

Lesser of UTA/NOP/POR SRP (we currently have UTA and the lesser of NOP/POR) 2026 and
NOP 2028 SRP

That's two pretty good SRPs for an expiring bench guy.

The flip side is we could use picks like that as we transition to a winning phase, but we have two more SRPs in both of those years.

 

[talkspurs]

What about someone like Nikola Jovic for Miami? He is paid a little more but I think he might be falling in Miami rotation and has had injury issues.