Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[spursfanfromafar]

I'm sure there are people who might actually hate Castle... but I think there is a strong contingent of us who just want to see him deployed correctly because we view it as the way to win more games, and maybe we're more optimistic about this team's chances than the team seems to be.

I just hate giving up on success and calling it a "development year" because "Wemby isn't ready". We have the third best record in the league, despite some curious decisions that perhaps have cost us some games, and we've beaten the best team 3 times with a chance for a 4th. Are we a long shot to make a deep run? Sure. But is it impossible? Only if we disqualify ourselves before even giving it a shot.

I do admit that perhaps I'm being shortsighted and the team's decision to force the offense to run through Castle will eventually pay off... but it just seems like there is a more obvious solution, which is to play the PG you acquired and maxed at PG... to play your leader perimeter defender in a way that better suits him on offense... to play your promising young PG more than 20 minutes/game.

If we see some moves towards that after the ASB, I'll be happy.

Yes. I am just pissed with ideas about trading Castle. That doesn't mean that we should all be on board with how he is being used by MATFO. Perhaps there is a method to the madness.

Mitch might be wanting to answer this question. How to utilise a wing (yes. I still do believe that Castle is a wing) with some playmaking chops and the ability to get to the line and the strength to finish inside ..but who seriously lacks an outside shot ..involved.

But that cannot be a static method if opposite teams have figured out how to defend against this. It makes much more sense to make Fox and Harper run the offense in batches and Castle to do so on a pinch and to utilize the latter's strength to set screens or misdirections to allow Wemby to get closer to the basket.

But yes. Till Castle develops at least a respectable jump shot there will be days when he might frustrate on offense. Yet his other wordly defensive abilities make him a vital member of the championship core.

One of the key reasons why the Spurs are in 3rd place this season has been the defensive and passing leaps made by Castle.

 

[talkspurs]

If you are proposing a trade where we give away multiple 1st rd picks can you name 3 other trades where it worked for the team that gave them up? Every year I see team gets x player they will win and it never happens. This is part of the reason I am against giving up several picks for a player.

 

[BatManu20]

Hope he stays put on the Clips tbh. He's a big part of the reason they've been the hottest team in the league the past month. Need them to keep winning to push that OKC pick out of the lottery.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018541694782951933

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[BatManu20]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018557838633644428

 

[RC_Drunkford]

IMO, we need a shooting rebounding big more than a 3rd center. YMMV.

yes, but we still need a third center regardless. And we can technically get Goga without giving up Sochan's or Olynyk's contracts. Even if we trade Sochan for him, it's not like there are better offers out there right now. We're not attaching a first round pick anyway, so Aldama is off the table.

 

[mudyez]

What are we getting back for Sochan? If we package him with Barnes or some shit, can we get a Trey Murphy III if we add a pick in? Can we get a Herb Jones? I don't want Crapusele for Sochan tbh

Be ready for a Sochan for two 2nds and a player we will cut trade!

I'd personally hope, that we get someone like Knecht for him (just someone who MIGHT pan out with a second chance), but Spurs don't want any salary coming back for 26/27.

 

[Exstatic]

Be ready for a Sochan for two 2nds and a player we will cut trade!

I'd personally hope, that we get someone like Knecht for him (just someone who MIGHT pan out with a second chance), but Spurs don't want any salary coming back for 26/27.

People keep saying that, but I’m going to repeat what @scott said. They only said that they didn’t want Yabusele’s salary for a follow on year, not any salary. They probably don’t value him as a player very much.

Knecht is only a shooter, and he’s struggling with even that. He doesn’t rebound or defend. No thanks.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

by the way, something that I haven't seen anybody mention yet: The Spurs own swaps for the Pacers and NOLA's second round picks in this draft. They could legitimately be pick #31 and #32. Could be good value if they are included in any deal or bring back an additional first when packaged for a salary dump type of deal.

Edit: it's actually Miami, not Indiana

 

[TBdog]

by the way, something that I haven't seen anybody mention yet: The Spurs own swaps for the Pacers and NOLA's second round picks in this draft. They could legitimately be pick #31 and #32. Could be good value if they are included in any deal or bring back an additional first when packaged for a salary dump type of deal.

Considering the cost of second round picks and usually you can get them on a Jullian deal later on, that is a really nice pick to have in your pocket.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Considering the cost of second round picks and usually you can get them on a Jullian deal later on, that is a really nice pick to have in your pocket.

gotta correct myself: we got unprotected swap rights for the NOLA and Portland second round pick.

and get the less favorable of Pacers/Heat second rounder as well (SAS will receive the more favorable of (1) its 2026 2nd round pick and (2) the less favorable of the IND pick and the MIA pick)

so basically we got the NOLA second and the Miami Heat second round pick.

 

[Exstatic]

by the way, something that I haven't seen anybody mention yet: The Spurs own swaps for the Pacers and NOLA's second round picks in this draft. They could legitimately be pick #31 and #32. Could be good value if they are included in any deal or bring back an additional first when packaged for a salary dump type of deal.

Edit: it's actually Miami, not Indiana

Those are three way swaps that we get the worst of, so not 31,32. Go check the Spurs page on tankathon by click on any Spurs link. The good news is that even the worst of those two swaps are 41 and 46.

 

[CGD]

Sounds like Harden to Cleveland for Garland is about to happen.

Hmm, I kinda like it for both teams?

 

[1kangaroo]

If you are proposing a trade where we give away multiple 1st rd picks can you name 3 other trades where it worked for the team that gave them up? Every year I see team gets x player they will win and it never happens. This is part of the reason I am against giving up several picks for a player.

I am with you the ones that seem to work are ones only giving up a 1st rounder and a player on the roster usually a support player to the roster thats why I like Aldama if they give up this years first fine his salary is not over inflated and he fits the role we need at PF. This is not a earth shattering move but one that makes sense around a wemby centric team

 

[mo7888]

It's impressive watching people convince themselves that Castle is a bad player because they want trades to happen so badly.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that Castle is a bad player..

 

[mo7888]

Be ready for a Sochan for two 2nds and a player we will cut trade!

I'd personally hope, that we get someone like Knecht for him (just someone who MIGHT pan out with a second chance), but Spurs don't want any salary coming back for 26/27.

I'd be fine with Knecht because we need shooting. I'd hope we could do better, but I'd settle for that.

I also don't think we are adverse to taking back salary next year. We were just adverse to taking back bad salary that we aren't compensated for.

 

[Ice009]

I don't want Castle traded. It'd have to be for a really great young player for me to consider it. I wouldn't do in for Giannis (as great as he is) or any of those older guys.

I've taken a bit of a step back this past day, and I am hot sure how people value his defense, but Steph's defense/him wanting to play defense and put the required effort in to do that is a big deal to me. From everything I've read, Michael Jordan had a real desire to play defense (not many of the superstar level players want to put that much effort in) when he was younger and that makes a big difference when you're trying to win Championships. I'm still a little worried about his offense, but his defense makes it hard for me to want to really even consider trading him. Unless it's for another younger player with superstar potential/on their way to reaching it, I'm not interested.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Those are three way swaps that we get the worst of, so not 31,32. Go check the Spurs page on tankathon by click on any Spurs link. The good news is that even the worst of those two swaps are 41 and 46.

didn't know that since some of those are swaps between 5 different teams. On Fanspo it did say that we get the worst of Pacers/Heat, but no additional info on NOLA/Blazers. But we also got the Jazz second, so we still got a second rounder in the 30s plus 2 more.

 

[Exstatic]

I am with you the ones that seem to work are ones only giving up a 1st rounder and a player on the roster usually a support player to the roster thats why I like Aldama if they give up this years first fine his salary is not over inflated and he fits the role we need at PF. This is not a earth shattering move but one that makes sense around a wemby centric team

This year’s first is a hard NO for me for a player like Aldama. It’s a swap that is looking very lotteryish, like maybe as high as 10.

 

[scott]

Someone in another thread mentioned Castle as a rich man’s Caruso. That’s an interesting context to think about him in. I’d like to see us lean in to his defensive identity and find ways to utilize him more efficiently in the offense.

A versatile All-Defense 1st teamer who averages an extremely efficient 17ppg is an extraordinarily valuable player in this league (max or near it and worth multiple FRPs in the trade market). I think that’s Castle’s future. Not every player has to develop into a prime Kawhi-like two way star to be considered a success.

 

[BacktoBasics]

Someone in another thread mentioned Castle as a rich man’s Caruso. That’s an interesting context to think about him in. I’d like to see us lean in to his defensive identity and find ways to utilize him more efficiently in the offense.

A versatile All-Defense 1st teamer who averages an extremely efficient 17ppg is an extraordinarily valuable player in this league (max or near it and worth multiple FRPs in the trade market). I think that’s Castle’s future. Not every player has to develop into a prime Kawhi-like two way star to be considered a success.

His efficiency improves once he starts getting more whistles. He’s great at getting into the lane and drawing contact. He’s just not getting vet calls.

I feel this is one aspect of his game that is somewhat out of his control but will eventually materialize.

 

[Exstatic]

didn't know that since some of those are swaps between 5 different teams. On Fanspo it did say that we get the worst of Pacers/Heat, but no additional info on NOLA/Blazers. But we also got the Jazz second, so we still got a second rounder in the 30s plus 2 more.

Right, and they’re all 46 or better. It’s funny that TaT doesn’t even try to explain the swaps, just slaps a ‘complex conditions’ on them. Real GM future picks page has good explanations.

 

[1kangaroo]

This year’s first is a hard NO for me for a player like Aldama. It’s a swap that is looking very lotteryish, like maybe as high as 10.

Then next years makes more sense if we think Atlanta is going to cratered they are sitting at 10 in a very bad east

 

[TimmyBuckets]

Be ready for a Sochan for two 2nds and a player we will cut trade!

I'd personally hope, that we get someone like Knecht for him (just someone who MIGHT pan out with a second chance), but Spurs don't want any salary coming back for 26/27.

We already have a Knecht. His name is Lindy Waters

 

[scott]

His efficiency improves once he starts getting more whistles. He’s great at getting into the lane and drawing contact. He’s just not getting vet calls.

I feel this is one aspect of his game that is somewhat out of his control but will eventually materialize.

I don't think there is much more of a whistle for him to get. His FTr% is .499, higher than Luka (.498) and SGA (.476). Amongst real scoring options on their team, only Jimmy (.621), Deni (.570) and Paolo (.509) are higher.

But even if he did get up to Jimmy's FTr% (which is all-time), we're talking about 1.5 more FTA/gm, which at 72% FT% equates to 1.08 more points per game. That's significant on a team scale, but not going to be a huge needle mover on his TS%. His current TS% is .553, getting Jimmy's FTr would bump it up to .564. Not nothing, but also not the difference maker to making him an efficient scorer. Becoming more efficient will all come down to what we already know: improving his 3pt shot, continuing to hone that middy, and becoming more selective on driving into traffic.

 

[TimmyBuckets]

Spurs likely won’t get rid of Barnes just because his shot fell off. It’ll come back, and he has the most experience on the team at only 33 y/o. They’d rather have Sochan off the books in the offseason than take on bad salary. I doubt they make a move by the deadline.