Spurs Talk Refugees - Check In

I still think we need an NBA/NFL forum and an off topic/general discussion forum (no political discussions allowed) so as to not clutter up the Spurs discussion. But those decisions are above my pay grade. As long as we have a Spurs section with lively discussion I suppose that's what matters
 
I still think we need an NBA/NFL forum and an off topic/general discussion forum (no political discussions allowed) so as to not clutter up the Spurs discussion. But those decisions are above my pay grade. As long as we have a Spurs section with lively discussion I suppose that's what matters
I'd say rename Announcments subforum into Everything Else with this and Site Configuration topics being pinned at the top.
Move NFL topic in here and add whatever else is needed, like the gaming talk that's been going on.

I'd add Game Threads subforum inside Spurstalk subforum and have game threads in there with uniform titles.
We don't really need anything else, tbh.
 
So Kori and LJ don't own Spurstalk anymore? I know they moved away from SA years ago. Who owns it now?
 
Servers shitting the bed, whoever is in charge has no interest in fixing them.
Lack of communication or moderation despite active members' willingness to help out.
Servers fail because obsolete software that was never updated allows for abuse. Failure to update software happens because ownership doesn't care. That is the only explanation for not taking action for years, despite people's very public (and justified) concerns and offers of help (financial and technical). They were basically unreachable, how many times people tried and got ghosted?

I also acknowledge migration might be more challenging for SpursTalk as their main asset is their posting history, which is something that understandably attaches people to the site. However, it got so bad that most active posters were gladly willing to start over clean elsewhere before dragging this on, that speaks volumes as to how dysfunctional the site has become. What baffles me is this: how hard would it have been to name one of the regulars as mod/admin? Someone who cares... for free... take your pick.

At this point, I'd like to hear two things:
1) Even though I didn't have any relationship with Kori & LJ, I would like to hear at least that they're ok, and just don't care anymore. Everyone moves on feeling better.
2) That ST is no longer a security risk, at this rate it's going to get hacked any minute if it hasn't happened already, and I hope no one uses their SpursTalk login credentials anywhere else.

As for this site, personally I much prefer a clean, light user experience, as long as the basics work (safe, responsive, provides key features, some last resort moderation in case a lunatic hijacks the forum) it's fine with me. No need for bells and whistles. I haven't really delved deep into it so far, but I like what I've seen.

As for the forum structure, I'd leave one forum for basketball, one for administrative issues that are important and need to be in sight at all times (this "Announcements" forum) and maybe one or two more. Breaking it down into too many pieces (like a ThinkTank or NBA forum) sounds counter productive to me, maybe a general forum is warranted although I'm afraid this will lead into another Political nightmare which will overflow into the main basketball forum even if I ignore it (like FuzzyLumpkins did). But I'm basically only here for Spurs related content, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
 
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As for the forum structure, I'd leave one forum for basketball, one for administrative issues that are important and need to be in sight at all times (this "Announcements" forum) and maybe one or two more. Breaking it down into too many pieces (like a ThinkTank or NBA forum) sounds counter productive to me, maybe a general forum is warranted although I'm afraid this will lead into another Political nightmare which will overflow into the main basketball forum even if I ignore it (like FuzzyLumpkins did). But I'm basically only here for Spurs related content, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Yeah, it's a slippery slope. I wouldn't mind an "All-NBA" Forum as well as an NFL Forum, but then you open that door....what about a Soccer Forum, and a Golf Forum, and a Dodgeball Forum etc.

And I could easily see a General Forum just devolving into political talk and other nonsense. I can't talk because I never went into most of those other forums on ST anyways, but it's probably cleaner to just keep the forum Spurs and NBA focused.

That said, I've only been here two days so I'm not the one calling those shots 🤪
 
2) That ST is no longer a security risk, at this rate it's going to get hacked any minute if it hasn't happened already, and I hope no one uses their SpursTalk login credentials anywhere else.
You never heard about the vbulletin hack back in 2015? Everyone’s hashed passwords and sign up email addresses got put out there. And they never said anything to warn people, was fucked up.
 
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You never heard about the vbulletin hack back in 2016? Everyone’s unhashed passwords and sign up email addresses got put out there. And they never said anything to warn people, was fucked up.
SHA-256 encryption in near impossible to decrypt. vBulletin uses MD5 I believe and even that encryption is near impossible to decrypt unless you're some boy genius and have the right tools to do so. Even then, good luck with the many days it might take to process a brute force on said hash with a salt. Definitely wrong not to inform users of a breach but many boards were hacked and maybe LJ and Kori were not informed of any such hack to their board.
 
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I was going to reply that just because SpursTalk uses vBulletin it didn't mean it was one of the 126 affected... then I went ahead and looked at the link you provided, which says:
The complete list of forums that were affected by the hack can be found in a Pastebin and includes boards dedicated to artists, games, torrent sites, politics and adult movies, to name a few.
Then lo and behold, at no. 103:
Hackread.com reports on 126 vBulletin forums hacked; data leaked on hacking forums | Details -> https://www.hackread.com/vbulletin-forums-hacked-data-leaked/

sledderforums.com
smallblockposse.com
smallworlds.com
spurstalk.com
supermensa.org
swgreckoning.com
systemtools.com
techimo.com
So yeah, hacked then, probably will be until it dies off for good.
 
SHA-256 encryption in near impossible to decrypt. vBulletin uses MD5 I believe and even that encryption is near impossible to decrypt unless you're some boy genius and have the right tools to do so. Even then, good luck with the many days it might take to process a brute force on said hash with a salt. Definitely wrong not to inform users of a breach but many boards were hacked and maybe LJ and Kori were not informed of any such hack to their board.
Hey ChatGPT, is a vBulletin 4.2.5 system secure in September 2025?
By **September 2025**, **vBulletin 4.2.5** would be considered **unsafe** for several reasons. Here’s why:

### 1. **Obsolete Security Practices**:

* **MD5 Hashing**: As mentioned earlier, **MD5** is a weak cryptographic hash that is now considered broken and vulnerable to modern attacks. Attackers can easily crack MD5 hashes with brute-force attacks or rainbow tables.
* **Outdated Encryption**: The system does not use modern password hashing algorithms like **bcrypt**, **scrypt**, or **argon2**, which are recommended for secure password storage.

### 2. **No Security Updates**:

* **End of Support**: **vBulletin 4.2.5** is a very old version, and **vBulletin** stopped providing updates and security patches for this version long ago. This means that any **zero-day vulnerabilities** discovered after the end of official support would not be patched, leaving the system exposed to exploits.
* **Known Vulnerabilities**: Over the years, **vBulletin** versions prior to 5.x have been the target of various security vulnerabilities (such as **SQL injection**, **cross-site scripting (XSS)**, and **remote code execution**). These would remain unpatched unless manually addressed by a server administrator.

### 3. **Insecure Default Configurations**:

* Older versions like **vBulletin 4.2.5** come with default settings and configurations that are no longer considered secure by today's standards.
* The system might also be vulnerable to brute-force attacks, **session hijacking**, and other common web application security issues.

### 4. **Lack of Compliance**:

* In 2025, many data protection regulations (such as **GDPR**, **CCPA**, and others) will likely require more advanced security measures for storing user data, especially passwords. vBulletin 4.2.5 would not meet the modern standards required for compliance, risking legal repercussions if you're handling sensitive user data.

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---

### Recommendations for September 2025:

1. **Upgrade to a Newer Version**: If possible, upgrading to **vBulletin 5** or another modern forum software is the best option. **vBulletin 5** offers improved security features and active support.

* Alternatively, you could migrate to **other forum software** like **Discourse**, **Flarum**, or **phpBB**, which are regularly updated and more secure.

2. **Manual Hardening**: If upgrading isn’t feasible immediately:

* **Apply any available security patches** (though limited).
* Consider implementing additional security measures like **Web Application Firewalls (WAF)**, **SSL encryption**, and **two-factor authentication (2FA)**.
* Consider **re-hashing** user passwords using more secure algorithms, though this would require significant effort.

3. **Secure Hosting**: Use a secure hosting environment and keep your web server software (Apache/Nginx, PHP, etc.) up to date.

In short, while it might still be running in September 2025, **vBulletin 4.2.5** would not be safe or secure. It's best to plan for a migration to something more modern.
 
I still think we need an NBA/NFL forum and an off topic/general discussion forum (no political discussions allowed) so as to not clutter up the Spurs discussion. But those decisions are above my pay grade. As long as we have a Spurs section with lively discussion I suppose that's what matters
Fair point. It’s just so hard to have off topic discussions because some people live their lives completely defined by political allegiance. They can’t keep it out of their mouth.

It bleeds into everything they do. Every decision is predicated on that structure and who they think is in opposition to it.

Then there’s people who aren’t happy unless they’re attacking others within that context.

We’re already seeing what happens when you open the door and let one of those people in.

Not my call but maybe just basketball and the single NFL thread isn’t so bad.
 
Fair point. It’s just so hard to have off topic discussions because some people live their lives completely defined by political allegiance. They can’t keep it out of their mouth.

It bleeds into everything they do. Every decision is predicated on that structure and who they think is in opposition to it.

Then there’s people who aren’t happy unless they’re attacking others within that context.

We’re already seeing what happens when you open the door and let one of those people in.

Not my call but maybe just basketball and the single NFL thread isn’t so bad.
The ignore fun here is fucking great. You don’t even see their quoted comments.

The reality is that such people will never change, and it’s better to just dump them into the bin and be done with it. Trying to either scold them or bring them around are both wastes of time.
 
I still think we need an NBA/NFL forum and an off topic/general discussion forum (no political discussions allowed) so as to not clutter up the Spurs discussion. But those decisions are above my pay grade. As long as we have a Spurs section with lively discussion I suppose that's what matters

Meh...how is the moderation here? There has to be a filter on the trash that comes in. The political forum is a disaster and then you had the constant racist/4chan style trolling by those posters Milleniah messiah, will hunting, mark celibate, etc. That crap had run its course years ago (heck even a decade ago really)
 
Meh...how is the moderation here? There has to be a filter on the trash that comes in. The political forum is a disaster and then you had the constant racist/4chan style trolling by those posters Milleniah messiah, will hunting, mark celibate, etc. That crap had run its course years ago (heck even a decade ago really)
So far it's been good. We kind of set up some ground rules at the beginning. Mainly don't blatantly be a dick, for the most part.
 
:lol dbestpro trying to do damage control over on ST and talking to himself bumping threads.
 
:lol dbestpro trying to do damage control over on ST and talking to himself bumping threads.
I appreciate the commitment honestly lol bit odd though, I get that timvp and kori are legends and if they were trying to keep it alive I’d stay… but they’re not and aren’t interested in even updating us.

Other than them I got no loyalty to a random website, and I’ll go where everybody else goes.
 
Won't be long til spurstalk is like spurtacular's forum, with just one guy talking to himself.
That's assuming ST will be up and running for him to talk to himself.

And gotta credit Spurtacular, at least his forum has better servers than ST.
 
Yall set the rules, break them, and then get mad at me for pointing out the hypocrisy. Rinse and repeat, same with ST.
Incivility in this forum increased by 75pct when you joined. Please. Read the Room and try to confine yourself to Spurs takes only for 30 days and see what happens. If anyone attacks you I will be the first to white-knight.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!
 
Incivility in this forum increased by 75pct when you joined. Please. Read the Room and try to confine yourself to Spurs takes only for 30 days and see what happens. If anyone attacks you I will be the first to white-knight.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!
Joey is better on ignore. I had him there on St for a long time and it took him about 5 Seconds to get put there when he showed up here. The ignore function here works a lot better. No posts, no quotes, nothing.
 
I appreciate the commitment honestly lol bit odd though, I get that timvp and kori are legends and if they were trying to keep it alive I’d stay… but they’re not and aren’t interested in even updating us.

Other than them I got no loyalty to a random website, and I’ll go where everybody else goes.
Pretty much, I have no loyalty to the address in the browser bar. I'm here for the 'lively and ever-interesting' Spurs conversation - specifically, the people that create it.
 
Incivility in this forum increased by 75pct when you joined. Please. Read the Room and try to confine yourself to Spurs takes only for 30 days and see what happens. If anyone attacks you I will be the first to white-knight.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!
Lmao
 
Joey is better on ignore. I had him there on St for a long time and it took him about 5 Seconds to get put there when he showed up here. The ignore function here works a lot better. No posts, no quotes, nothing.
Keep me on ignore so you can't see yours and the others hypocrisy. Sounds about right.
 
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