Game Thread Spurs (0-0) @ Mavericks (0-0) (Wed 10/22/25) [8:30PM CDT]

ird80 said:
Well since we're starting the topic of censorship and limiting free speech Im gonna stop being silent about the constant use God, Jesus Christ, jfc, etc...all yall crying about defending a word that represents sinful life choice (or for the secular-perversion of law of nature) that winds people up in a bad place if they dont turn away while not defending blashpeming the name of God (2nd Commandment) ...its not even proper english...its a name, THE name...its not an expletive. Like the person who said its easily avoidable u could put kfc, geeze, gosh or any other random name as it makes no sense. So gonna defend one defend it all or be a hypocrite
Think I saw one of u virtue signalers use term jeebotards not long after crying like a woman about the use of said word...pot meet kettle
Yall want absence of religion that should include offending faith/religion cause realize it or not you're using it n it will be accounted for
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Sir this is a Wendy's
 
wemvp said:
Show me proven, testable, falsifiable evidence for any existence of any god.

You can't. It doesn't exist. It's a belief you and many others have without any shred of evidence whatsoever.

Yet you are here demanding respect for your fabricated beliefs while simultaneously insulting a group of people that exist in our population.

That's shameful. Be better.
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your lord wemby dropped for you miraculous acts of basketball scoring and yet you reject his teachings. HE is the one! this website is your bible. READ< WATCH< TESTIFY
 
wemvp said:
Show me proven, testable, falsifiable evidence for any existence of any god.

You can't. It doesn't exist. It's a belief you and many others have without any shred of evidence whatsoever.

Yet you are here demanding respect for your fabricated beliefs while simultaneously insulting a group of people that exist in our population.

That's shameful. Be better.
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Here’s a friendly warning for you as well. This isn’t the place for this conversation. Move on.
 
scott said:
No one is starting this topic the topic of censorship or limiting free speech.

I'll refer you to our Community Ground Rules: https://baselinebums.com/threads/forum-behaviour-ground-rules.119/#post-8368

Thanks for stopping by.
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scott said:
Here’s a friendly warning for you as well. This isn’t the place for this conversation. Move on.
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Thank you Scott for your vigilance. ST had became such a cesspool of filth with so many pointless arguments in so many threads that it felt like basketball became a side conversation on top of all the trash. Much appreciated. 👏
 
wemvp said:
Will do. I dont want that here. I just absolutely hate people like that, shit grinds my gears.
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I hate when people go on and on about non basketball related contentions on a basketball forum. Let us enjoy the experience of our team winning without personal non basketball soap boxes for crying out loud
 
Exstatic said:
Just look at Scott’s cap and trade asset thread. In three years, Wemby, Fox, and Castle will all be getting paid, and Harper will be on deck. You want to trade Fox before you get in the crunch, and teams know you need to.
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If made cap sheets long before that. I know how the cap works. You don’t seem to understand it though. You trade Fox once Harper comes off his rookie contract which is in 4 YEARS. That’s why you need to get a PF for that window. It’s not rocket science and I’m done explaining it to stupid folks
 
RC_Drunkford said:
If made cap sheets long before that. I know how the cap works. You don’t seem to understand it though. You trade Fox once Harper comes off his rookie contract which is in 4 YEARS. That’s why you need to get a PF for that window. It’s not rocket science and I’m done explaining it to stupid folks
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Problem starts before that, posted it in the corresponding thread: https://baselinebums.com/threads/sp...n-and-future-projections.33/page-2#post-10981
Ariel said:
Since raw numbers are a hindrance to understanding the evolution of cap sheets, I thought it'd be helpful to provide a simplified outlook into the Spurs financial future in terms of percentages of the cap. Given we're most interested in exploring the viability of keeping the core long term if things go well, I projected rookie extensions at reasonable values assuming optimistic scenarios (Wemby 30% as he's probably DPOY, Harper and Castle at 25%, Carter Bryant at 15% as a Toumani Camara level 3&D). Anyways, without further ado here is a general overview of the Spurs financial outlook:

Player / Year1 (‘25-’26)2 (‘26-’27)3 (‘27-’28)4 (‘28-’29)5 (‘29-’30)
Wemby​
8.6 %​
10.2 %​
30.0 %​
30.0 %​
30.0 %​
Fox​
24.0 %​
30.0 %​
30.9 %​
31.6 %​
32.1 %​
Castle​
6.2 %​
6.0 %​
7.3 %​
25.0 %​
25.0 %​
Harper​
8.0 %​
7.8 %​
7.5 %​
9.0 %​
25.0 %​
Bryant​
3.2 %​
3.1 %​
3.0 %​
4.2 %​
15.0 %​
Vassell​
17.0 %​
15.0 %​
13.0 %​
13.0 %​
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Kornet​
7.1 %​
6.3 %​
5.7 %​
5.1 %​
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Champagnie​
1.9 %​
1.8 %​
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Keldon​
11.3 %​
10.3 %​
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Sochan​
6.2 %​
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Barnes​
12.3 %​
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Olynyk​
8.7 %​
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Waters​
1.5 %​
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McLaughlin​
1.5 %​
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Biyombo​
1.5 %​
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min. Roster fill​
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7.4 %​
10.4 %​
10.4 %​
13.4 %​
TOTAL​
119.0 %​
97.9 %​
107.8 %​
128.3 %​
140.5 %​

For reference, as a percentage of the cap:
  • luxury tax threshold: 121.5%
  • 1st apron: 126.7%
  • 2nd apron: 134.4%
  • 1 year vet min for roster filling: 1.5%
Bare in mind these are broad strokes, but the inevitable conclusion is that (unless they make some moves earlier) Spurs are running into trouble in years 4 and 5. That is what leads me to believe Fox is unlikely to be a Spur by then if Harper and Castle live up to expectations, that 32% of the cap he'd be making would be better allocated into a few higher level role players, rather than relying on bottom of the barrel vet mins to fill out the roster.
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Exstatic said:
We can’t support 4 max deals, even if two of them are the 25% kind.
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I was referring to him taking less money per year say after year three, another three years $100 million or to that effect. See Richard Jefferson deal w/Spurs in past:

www.nbcsports.com

Richard Jefferson to re-sign with Spurs

One of the most bizarre free agent stories of the summer has come to an end.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com

Maybe not allowed any more under current CBA, but if allowed this seems like a decent potential option. For example, Fox wants to stay but is no longer a max level player for us due to the emergence of Castle and Harper who then command their own max deals. I agree that 4 max contracts sounds infeasible and was not suggesting that. If anything, we want players joining for team friendly deals to be part of the Wemby championship rides.
 
RC_Drunkford said:
If made cap sheets long before that. I know how the cap works. You don’t seem to understand it though. You trade Fox once Harper comes off his rookie contract which is in 4 YEARS. That’s why you need to get a PF for that window. It’s not rocket science and I’m done explaining it to stupid folks
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At that point, you’re trading someone everyone knows you need to get off your cap, AND he’s an ending contract. Not much value in that trade.

You give him up a year early, extract more value, and clear the runway for your two young guards,
Knoxxx said:
I was referring to him taking less money per year say after year three, another three years $100 million or to that effect. See Richard Jefferson deal w/Spurs in past:

www.nbcsports.com

Richard Jefferson to re-sign with Spurs

One of the most bizarre free agent stories of the summer has come to an end.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com

Maybe not allowed any more under current CBA, but if allowed this seems like a decent potential option. For example, Fox wants to stay but is no longer a max level player for us due to the emergence of Castle and Harper who then command their own max deals. I agree that 4 max contracts sounds infeasible and was not suggesting that. If anything, we want players joining for team friendly deals to be part of the Wemby championship rides.
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I don’t think we can keep him. One, because I doubt he cuts his pay nearly in half, and two, because at some point your second overall pick is going to want to start, and I doubt Fox sees the bench as a viable option for him.
 
Exstatic said:
I don’t think we can keep him. One, because I doubt he cuts his pay nearly in half, and two, because at some point your second overall pick is going to want to start, and I doubt Fox sees the bench as a viable option for him.
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I don't disagree but we also know this is a good problem to have. And not our problem to worry about, managing the payroll. The numbers I threw out were just hypothetical, maybe its 3 years, $120 million. Will Fox still be able to command $50-$60 million a year, 4 years from now? I doubt these new ugly apron rules will be conducive to that for another team, but who knows? I think Fox is going to be electric playing together with Wemby here shortly, though.
 
Exstatic said:
Dallas officially measured Lively at 7’3”, having grown 2”. Having seen Victor matching up with him, take that for what you will, but Victor isn’t 7’4”, not even 7’5”. I’m starting to believe the rumblings that he could be 7’6” or 7’7”.
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think we have to stop taking these "official measurements" very seriously. the only ones i actually trust are the combine numbers which become outdated pretty quick with so many teenage draftees
 
The days of stars and superstars getting insta-max'd on the downslope of their career are over. This new CBA has re-calibrated that thinking and forces guys who are no longer quite at their max worthy level of play to take a bit less. Hopefully BWright will nut up and not just hand over another max extension to his fellow Klutch compadre Fox in 3 years (or is it 2?).

Also, at this point penciling in Castle and Harper for max extensions is just so premature. For every amazing thing Castle does he does 2 boneheaded things...advanced/on-off statistics hate him for that reason. Alparen Sengun is an amazing player on an upward trajectory who put up great numbers and advanced stats love him...he didn't even get maxxed. Castle has this season and next season to show out, it goes by really quick and potential only means so much when it comes to handing out potentially franchise crippling contracts. Seeing Castle commit 10 turnovers against the last years 29th rated defense is concerning.
 
Exstatic said:
At that point, you’re trading someone everyone knows you need to get off your cap, AND he’s an ending contract. Not much value in that trade.

You give him up a year early, extract more value, and clear the runway for your two young guards,

I don’t think we can keep him. One, because I doubt he cuts his pay nearly in half, and two, because at some point your second overall pick is going to want to start, and I doubt Fox sees the bench as a viable option for him.
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Again you're wrong. Trading an expiring contract is always valuable, cause it frees up money and Fox won't be washed at that point. Plenty of teams will want a legit PG that they can resign for less or salary cap relief.

Ariel said:
Problem starts before that, posted it in the corresponding thread: https://baselinebums.com/threads/sp...n-and-future-projections.33/page-2#post-10981
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the 4th year could be problematic, but there's no problem with dipping into the tax for one year while contending.
 
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