Official End of Season Awards Thread

Arguendo said:
Looks like Cade and Luka are appealing. I like Luka's chances more for birth of daughter (actually extraordinary), than Cade's chances for legitimate ordinary injury. If Vic misses, he'll appeal for his grandmother death for sure and imo he wins that.

The just miss and/or move-in with Ant/Luka- Bam, Chet, Kat, Alpi, Paolo, Harden, Mobley (but those two cancel probably). Think Flagg, Siakam, and MPJ's teams are just too shit, no one from a non-postseason team gets in. But Top8 in each conference get their eligible guy, Bam or Paola sneaks in as "he's due" or are last out.
As extraordinary as Spurs season has been, I can't see Fox or Steph getting real votes, with #2 MVP & the 6MOTY, and 8 more guys averaging 10ppg until this week, which is pretty much the same argument against Chet but Chet anchors that D.
Hope NAW and Kon get rewarded with some votes, but don't think they're close. Could see Randle getting some votes since Ant is out, but imo him/Chet/Alpi/Kat/Mobley shouldn't make it. Anyone else have a real chance?
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Interesting to look at who has Rookie Supermax language on the line this award season...

Jalen Williams will miss out on his supermax, that much is already known.

Paolo needs to make All-NBA for that extra 5%. It's a pretty significant difference for him, and as a result I'm surprised there hasn't been more lobbying coming out of Florida (although maybe there has been but we just don't hear it... because who cares about the Magic?).

I'm pretty sure those are the only two applicable extensions, since Chet's extension did not include designated rookie language.
 
More people have experienced the birth of a child than a collapsed lung tbh
 
I like numbers and winners. I think Spurs and OKC should get a 2nd guy. Here's the numbers.

Chet- D anchor- 17.1/8.9/1.7/2.5 stock 65.3TS%, 21.9 useage, 28.9mpg - #1 team
Steph- Elite POA D & main creator- 16.8/7.4/5.2/1.4 stocks, 57.6TS%, 25 usage, 30mpg - #2 team
Paolo - 22.3/8.4/5.1/1.3 stocks, 56.9TS%, 27.5 usage, 34.8mpg - hugely disappointing team but lots of injuries, reward a play-in guy?
Bam- D anchor- 20.0/10.0/3.1/1.8 stocks, 54.9TS%, 25.1 usage, 32.4mpg - hugely disappointing team- gonna reward the 10th place Eastern team bc 83 points?
KAT- liability- 20/11.9/3/1.4, 61.7TS%, 25.9 usage, 31mpg - #6 team
Alpi- liability but main creator- 20.3/8.9/6.2/2.3 stocks, 56.6TS%, 26.6 usage, 33.4mpg - #9 team, disappointing
Harden - liability but main creator- 23.7/8/4.9/1.5 stocks, 63.9TS%, 28.5 usage, 35mpg - huge disappointment, to turn around, to helped Cavs to 19-8 finish
Mobley- D anchor- 18.3/9.1/3.6/2.6 stocks, 59.8TS%, 22.5 usage, 32.1 mpg - huge disappointment, to turn around

Shit Steph may have a closer case then I thought. Knicks/Hou/Cavs don't deserve 2. Bam and Paolo have not met expectations, but may be "due". Harden's obvi very weird season.

Chet deserves it more than Steph, and voters like stars/counting stats, but damn Steph's got a real argument over all the other guys per possession, more efficient than everyone else but the Cavs guys, similar usage to all the other #2 guys, and tasked with the heaviest D + creator load of the bunch.
 
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scott said:
Interesting to look at who has Rookie Supermax language on the line this award season...

Jalen Williams will miss out on his supermax, that much is already known.

Paolo needs to make All-NBA for that extra 5%. It's a pretty significant difference for him, and as a result I'm surprised there hasn't been more lobbying coming out of Florida (although maybe there has been but we just don't hear it... because who cares about the Magic?).

I'm pretty sure those are the only two applicable extensions, since Chet's extension did not include designated rookie language.
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Great point, this is one of the big problems to me with the 65game rule. There will be guys that get eligible because more deserving players missed a few extra games. Not sure if Paolo is one of those or not, its close and he has to do so much for the Magic, esp without Franz. Its really hard to compare him with #2 guys.
 
Mugen said:
More people have experienced the birth of a child than a collapsed lung tbh
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Good framing. Let me ask you this, what kind of circumstances do you think the NBA envisioned in the exception? Do you thinks its more likely or less likely that births/deaths ranked higher than injuries sustained on the court? Yeah a pneumothorax is rare generally, but it happens from blunt force impact, like you get when you dive and position yourself to have someone fall on you. The injury is fluky, but guys dive to the floor and land on other guys nearly every game and in-game injuries happen. A birth or death in the family is pretty universally considered a special, take some time for this moment event.

The stupid 65game rule is largely there to enforce you playing when banged up, or maybe to stop star players from creating a heightened likelihood of injury or engaging on plays that make it more likely they miss significant time. Regardless, its stupid. But I'd bet the exact extraordinary circumstances envisioned by the expectation included birth/death and other off-the-court stuff, rather from player injuries that happen in-game.
 
Didn't realize Keldon was such a favorite for 6MOTY. I mean I knew he's the favorite but Bovada has him an extremely strong favorite at -900. Also have Wemby -10000 for DPOY. :st-lol:
 
Mugen said:
More people have experienced the birth of a child than a collapsed lung tbh
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8 billion people on this planet and we're trying to act like birth of a child is "extraordinary" tbh
 
If Luka gets a pass then Ant should have a lifetime pass with all the baby mommas he has out there tbh.
 
Fabbs said:
Doncics was kind of special.
nypost.com

Luka Doncic love life in turmoil: Lakers star splits from fiancée amid custody clash

Los Angeles Lakers superstar Luka Doncic has split from longtime fiancée Anamaria Goltes and is now locked in a custody fight over their two daughters, the NBA phenom confirmed Tuesday.
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Yeah, it would definitely be the first time that parents split up. Truly extraordinary. Courts probably have never seen a case like this, with parents battling over custody.
 
Raven_ said:
that's not bomb throwing, that's just stating the obvious.. Castle has no case other than fan hype.. Bomb throwing would be that Castle isn't a top 5 defender on the current spurs, given that he's not top 5 in defensive rating or stl+blk or total rebounds per 36 minutes
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Posted this in the game thread, but thought I'd be worthwhile here. I don't think Castle will make it, but some interesting facts regarding where Bowen ranked on metrics back in the day...

I mean, he's 9th in the NBA in Defensive win share according to the NBA official formula for guys that will qualify, and 7 of those ahead are locks to be All-D plus Amen Thompson. He's just ahead of Barnes, OG, Caruso, Holiday, Duren, Dort, Ausar and Dyson. Pretty representative list of the best defenders in the league, with a few outliers. He's 16th in Statmuses DRTG system, tied for 20th among qualifers by BBRefs DTRG both of which obviously over sample rebounds (Joker, KAT, Alpi all ahead on both).

Did you know: Bruce Bowen was never once finished top5 on the Spurs in Rebs (never top10, 13th most yrs) or Stocks per 36.
Good thing that the fan hype fouled the voters into giving him 8 straight All-D appearances. Or maybe Rebs and Stocks don't necessarily translate to the quality of perimeter defense.

Edit: Just lost all confidence in DRTG. Bruce Bowen never finished higher than 10th on the Spurs in DTRG. The years he finished 2nd in DPOY he was 17th, 10th and 14th on the Spurs hahahaha. So either Beno was as good as Bruce on D or DTRG is not a good stat for guys that always get the toughest assignment.
 
scott said:
Yeah, it would definitely be the first time that parents split up. Truly extraordinary. Courts probably have never seen a case like this, with parents battling over custody.
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Oh ya i was joking about the Laker PR spin on it.
Agree with you 100.
Got a kick of how she is filing for $$$$ and custody in LA even tho she has never been in California -ever.
 
Breaking News: Victor Wembanyama wins 2026 Defensive Player of Year with 98 first place votes.
 
scott said:
Interesting to look at who has Rookie Supermax language on the line this award season...

Jalen Williams will miss out on his supermax, that much is already known.

Paolo needs to make All-NBA for that extra 5%. It's a pretty significant difference for him, and as a result I'm surprised there hasn't been more lobbying coming out of Florida (although maybe there has been but we just don't hear it... because who cares about the Magic?).

I'm pretty sure those are the only two applicable extensions, since Chet's extension did not include designated rookie language.
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If I'm a magic fan there's no way in hell that I want Paolo getting the supermax
 
Arguendo said:
Posted this in the game thread, but thought I'd be worthwhile here. I don't think Castle will make it, but some interesting facts regarding where Bowen ranked on metrics back in the day...

I mean, he's 9th in the NBA in Defensive win share according to the NBA official formula for guys that will qualify, and 7 of those ahead are locks to be All-D plus Amen Thompson. He's just ahead of Barnes, OG, Caruso, Holiday, Duren, Dort, Ausar and Dyson. Pretty representative list of the best defenders in the league, with a few outliers. He's 16th in Statmuses DRTG system, tied for 20th among qualifers by BBRefs DTRG both of which obviously over sample rebounds (Joker, KAT, Alpi all ahead on both).

Did you know: Bruce Bowen was never once finished top5 on the Spurs in Rebs (never top10, 13th most yrs) or Stocks per 36.
Good thing that the fan hype fouled the voters into giving him 8 straight All-D appearances. Or maybe Rebs and Stocks don't necessarily translate to the quality of perimeter defense.

Edit: Just lost all confidence in DRTG. Bruce Bowen never finished higher than 10th on the Spurs in DTRG. The years he finished 2nd in DPOY he was 17th, 10th and 14th on the Spurs hahahaha. So either Beno was as good as Bruce on D or DTRG is not a good stat for guys that always get the toughest assignment.
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i know i've been saying this shit for years now and people still don't get it, but defensive rating is a stat, defensive win shares is a calculation.. the implication is that defensive rating is not arguable, if your analysis is clashing with a stat, then it is your analysis that is wrong. It triggers people because they try to give to drtg and +- an implication in an analysis, but it doesn't have any, it's just a number.
 
Correct Crusader said:
If I'm a magic fan there's no way in hell that I want Paolo getting the supermax
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There's no way I'd want anyone on a Supermax that's not a legit perinneal 1st/2nd team NBA guy. So dumb you can backdoor your way to a contract that cripples your team. Hope Chet qualifies for one though
 
Arguendo said:
There's no way I'd want anyone on a Supermax that's not a legit perinneal 1st/2nd team NBA guy. So dumb you can backdoor your way to a contract that cripples your team. Hope Chet qualifies for one though
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Chet qualifying for one won’t matter — he didn’t sign a contract with SuperMax language. He is locked in to a 25% max no matter what.
 
Raven_ said:
i know i've been saying this shit for years now and people still don't get it, but defensive rating is a stat, defensive win shares is a calculation.. the implication is that defensive rating is not arguable, if your analysis is clashing with a stat, then it is your analysis that is wrong. It triggers people because they try to give to drtg and +- an implication in an analysis, but it doesn't have any, it's just a number.
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Word salad. You brought up top5 DRTG on the team, I did not. You didn't specify whose DTRG you used. As illustrated, DTRG is not calculated the same across the board. You did it saying Steph is in no way deserving, only fan delusion, and used DTRG to back that up. I'm not saying he's deserving, I'm providing an example of DTRG and objective regard of player performance, ie season awards.

Bruce Bowen never finished higher than 10th on the Spurs in DRTG, 10th twice, 13th in most years. Finished 17th of 17th on the team while being voted as the 2nd best defender in the league and 1st team All-D. Objectively, he was widely regarded as a Top5 defender while finishing 17th on his own team in the stat you used.
Please explain the clash? Was Bruce Bowen a top100 defender in the league? By that metric is was far, far outside of the top100 every single season. Top 10? Did all of the All-D teams and 3 straight top2 DPOY finishes clash with the stat or does the stat not mean what you think it means? Or am I miss understanding your convoluted point? Are you just trolling?

He is historically regarded as one of the best perimeter defenders of all-time and was contemporaneously regarded as such. He was never rated (by DTRG) as a top 5 player on his own team, never rated in the top 9, despite being objectively awarded as a top10 defender in the league for 8 straight yrs.
Is it my analysis that's wrong along with consensus at the time and historically, maybe do you have it wrong, or am I missing your point?
 
scott said:
Chet qualifying for one won’t matter — he didn’t sign a contract with SuperMax language. He is locked in to a 25% max no matter what.
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Interesting and too bad. Would've loved for him to saddle the Thunder and force out other guys.
 
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