NBA Kawitters Legacy taking another hit

It’s wild seeing the Castle comparisons to early Spurs Kawhi: the hardworking, no BS player. Because the Clippers tenured version of Kawhi has no leadership or accountability and has soured everyone’s perception of him that he will go down as “the worst superstar ever.” Uncle Dennis really castrated his own nephew.
 
Interesting question.
And while nephew played awesome in the 2019 playoffs, that was incredibly lucky run by the Raptors. Semifinals beat 76ers in seven games with Embid ill for most of the series. Double overtime win against bucks- loose that and down 3-0. Beat GS, who suffered several key injuries.
And the game 7 winning shot that bounced on the rim like an interminable period of time before finally dropping.
 
Holy shit the Embiid being ill in 2019 comment almost made me fall on the floor.

That is some next level reaching 😂😂😂 as if he hasn’t shit the bed multiple times in playoffs before. And Marc Gasol defended him very well, he probably got ill from that defense.
 
He didn’t play for an entire year during that „peak“
Well yea, the point stands his peak was higher than Kobe’s whether it was 2 years or 3 years or 5 years with a 1 year injury gap. I’d actually consider Kawhi peak starting from 16-17 season and ending in the 2023 playoffs where he played 2 games in the playoffs averaging 35 per game then all of a sudden stopped being able to wipe his own ass.

So let’s call Kawhi peak 2016-2023 with about 2 full years missed with injuries. This version of Kawhi >>>> any version of Kobe. IMO.

Of course Kobe had the way better career due to sustained excellent and longevity. Hence why he’s top 15 all time and Kwhitter is usually dropped in around top 30.
 
Useless comparing peaks. Even Jeremy Lin had a peak couple of months for the ages. Any good basketball player will have periods of high success.

One has to look at the full canvas of work to judge legacies. Nephew's legacy will have one period of intense growth and success and one period of stagnant decline marked by corruption and selfishness.
 
Useless comparing peaks. Even Jeremy Lin had a peak couple of months for the ages. Any good basketball player will have periods of high success.

One has to look at the full canvas of work to judge legacies. Nephew's legacy will have one period of intense growth and success and one period of stagnant decline marked by corruption and selfishness.
Except that’s the discussion.

You know what’s useless? Barging into an ongoing discussion and calling it useless.

I literally hate Kawhi, but his peak was better than Kobe’s. Bryant always needed a AllStar big to play off of to get a ring. Kawhi didn’t. That’s a big difference, no pun intended.
 
For a minute in 2017, Leonard was a top 2 player in the league with LeBron. Thought he would be a damn good successor to Duncan at the time.

For a min back-then....I thought we have a version of 2 timelines (lol GSW). Big 3 riding into sunset and Nephew, LMA and Danny Green forming the new big 3.
 
You guys are nuts man. Nephew was never considered the best player in the league, where as Kobe, well Kobe, umm …. Nevermind.
 
You guys are nuts man. Nephew was never considered the best player in the league, where as Kobe, well Kobe, umm …. Nevermind.
And yet now every NBA youtuber retcons Kobe as a top 5 player alltime. Ugh even worse than the Kareem glazing twenty years after he retired.
 
For a minute in 2017, Leonard was a top 2 player in the league with LeBron. Thought he would be a damn good successor to Duncan at the time.
I think, when healthy, he was either the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league during his peak years (2017-2021). Lebron, KD. and then Giannis took turns wearing "the best" belt during that stretch. His lack of durability/availability was the reason many folks were never comfortable putting him above those guys even after winning an extra title and a FMVP. Come to think of it, Kawhi's career has been dying a slow death the moment he turned 30. And it's crazy especially when every other superstar is beating longevity records these days (Lebron, Curry, KD, even Harden) even after suffering devastating injuries (Durant)..
 
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Well, Kawhi definitely could have been the MVP in 2016/17, when he finished third behind Westbrook (who mainly won because of him averaging a triple-double, I guess) and Harden.
 
But he wasn’t the MVP, ever.
Maybe he should have been or maybe not but it is not on the resume.
Fuck Kawhi forever
 
Except that’s the discussion.

You know what’s useless? Barging into an ongoing discussion and calling it useless.

I literally hate Kawhi, but his peak was better than Kobe’s. Bryant always needed a AllStar big to play off of to get a ring. Kawhi didn’t. That’s a big difference, no pun intended.
I hate en both and I'll grant Kawhi had a better (one season or really playoff run) peak but it's not like Kawhi ever played on a crappy roster, his titles came on teams just as if not more stacked than kobes
 
In terms of carreer obviously not but yeah peak Kawhi was a monster tbh... and fwiw Kobe is probably the most overrated athlete of all time
It's funny how all the most overrated NBAers played for the Lakers .... Kobe, Kareem (when he didn't even have his prime with Lakers), West, Baylor, Magic to a degree. Wilt is somehow a Laker instead of a Warrior/76er even though he only played 5 of his worst years with Lakers in his 14 year career. Even semi stars (Worthy) and role players (Cooper, Fisher, Fox) are/were ridiculously overrated. But of course, if you play on the losing teams you get vilified (Butler never even existed, Odom is the worst player ever, Gasol is the softest player ever, Smush Parker/Kwame Brown/Chris Mihm aren't even NBA players, let alone starters, as if every single NBA team have 5 all stars as starters). Come to think of it, those players all played with Kobe ... wonder why.
 
But he wasn’t the MVP, ever.
Maybe he should have been or maybe not but it is not on the resume.
Fuck Kawhi forever
Fuck Kawhi, but I consider Finals MVP a higher bar, because you have to GET to the Finaks, and he has two of those.
 
Peak Kawhi was definitely better than peak Kobe when you consider 2 way play and efficiency

I think the closer race is peak Kawhi vs peak KD tbh
 
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