Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

Agree to the Trade for Greek Freak (top 4 player on the planet now)?

  • Yes - Losing Harper or Castle is reasonable price for a Top 4 player. Able to challenge OKC now!

    Votes: 12 10.8%

  • No - Let's have patience and trust this harmonious team chemistry and power of Friendship!

    Votes: 99 89.2%
  • Total voters
    111
poopbox said:
That's interesting because I think the Spurs are firmly in or right on the edge of "overpay for player that could put you over the hump" that every championship level team has to eventually make to seriously compete for a championship. I also think McDaniels would easily be that player and really fits to how we want to play. Or should want to play you never know with Mitch :st-lol:

Denver did it for Gordon....
OKC did it for IHart...
Celtics did it for White and Jrue...
Knicks did it for Bridges...made the CF...
Depending on how you feel about the player and contract Houston is doing it right now for KD...

Really the only maybe championship level teams that haven't done it are Detroit and San Antonio...but history has shown you don't win a chip without the "paid to much for this player but in this very specific circumstance he makes you a real championship contender" player. Spurs aren't winning anything of note without a real power forward. We don't have one right now and who knows how long it takes Carter Bryant to be one...if it ever happens.
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While I agree with the fact that McDaniels is probably that player that can get the spurs over the hump, I disagree with trying to meet the likely asking price (3 FRP) for McDaniels.

I think the key similarity between Denver, OKC, and Boston acquisitions is that they gave up marginal or no draft capital to get their guy:
Denver gave up a 2025 protected FRP for Gordon
Celtics gave up a 2022 FRP, 2028 swap, and Romeo Langford for White
OKC gave up zero assets for IHart
In Denver and Celtics' cases, they were giving up fewer assets to take a guy who was miscast as a poor 1st/2nd option where he looked bad and putting him in situation where he was a 3rd option and looked better - this allowed them to pay less than true market value for their acquisition. In the Spurs case, they'd be taking McDaniels who's performing well as a 3rd/4th option and putting him in the exact same role with the Spurs, so they'd in actuality be paying true market value for him.

I would argue that the Knicks trade for Bridges and Orlando's trade for Bane are going to age extremely poorly as time goes on

Certainly, if the Spurs can get McDaniels for like Vassell and a protected pick or something, I'm all for that. But I think the asking price from the Wolves is going to be way too high to make it worth it.
 
SpursBills said:
While I agree with the fact that McDaniels is probably that player that can get the spurs over the hump, I disagree with trying to meet the likely asking price (3 FRP) for McDaniels.

I think the key similarity between Denver, OKC, and Boston acquisitions is that they gave up marginal or no draft capital to get their guy:
Denver gave up a 2025 protected FRP for Gordon
Celtics gave up a 2022 FRP, 2028 swap, and Romeo Langford for White
OKC gave up zero assets for IHart
In Denver and Celtics' cases, they were giving up fewer assets to take a guy who was miscast as a poor 1st/2nd option where he looked bad and putting him in situation where he was a 3rd option and looked better - this allowed them to pay less than true market value for their acquisition. In the Spurs case, they'd be taking McDaniels who's performing well as a 3rd/4th option and putting him in the exact same role with the Spurs, so they'd in actuality be paying true market value for him.

I would argue that the Knicks trade for Bridges and Orlando's trade for Bane are going to age extremely poorly as time goes on

Certainly, if the Spurs can get McDaniels for like Vassell and a protected pick or something, I'm all for that. But I think the asking price from the Wolves is going to be way too high to make it worth it.
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Great points... seems like we'd have a better chance poaching Mikal or OG from the NYC in a Giannis deal than McDaniels if it was a MIN deal. The luster seems to have worn off both of those guys to the point where they could more of a +EV pickup
 
The Spurs needs are PF and shooting, yet so many of the names often bandied about on this board are SF's first and/or mediocre or worse shooters.
 
scott said:
Great points... seems like we'd have a better chance poaching Mikal or OG from the NYC in a Giannis deal than McDaniels if it was a MIN deal. The luster seems to have worn off both of those guys to the point where they could more of a +EV pickup
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Eh. Both of their contracts are higher than McDaniel's. In the case of OG significantly higher. I also just like McDaniel's much more as a player than those other two. I'd gladly give up 3 first for McDaniel's than 2 for OG or Bridges.

I also don't put a lot of value on any 1st round picks we have now, no matter where they come from or how high they might be. Playoff caliber teams don't get better by adding rookies. Unless we trade some players power forward is the only position we have on the team that we are not at least 2 deep in.
 
I was in favor of giannis trade but we def don't need a load management guy who can't shoot 3s
 
spursistan said:
With the less favorable of NOP' 2026 and their own in play in a strong draft, Bucks might as well rip the band aid and trade him at deadline to go full tank mode (Giannis says he won't sit when he heals from calf issue; he's gonna ruin it for them). I don't see the offers significantly improving in the offseason short something like Banchero becoming available if/when Magic panic after the playoffs.
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Magic can and probably will fire the coach before that
 
poopbox said:
Eh. Both of their contracts are higher than McDaniel's. In the case of OG significantly higher. I also just like McDaniel's much more as a player than those other two. I'd gladly give up 3 first for McDaniel's than 2 for OG or Bridges.

I also don't put a lot of value on any 1st round picks we have now, no matter where they come from or how high they might be. Playoff caliber teams don't get better by adding rookies. Unless we trade some players power forward is the only position we have on the team that we are not at least 2 deep in.
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Of course you like McDaniel's better... everyone does, that's why his value is considerably more than the others right now.

I wouldn't give up two picks for either of the other guys either, that's not enough of a bargain for me.

You make a good point about their contracts though, they'd be really problematic down the road.

As for FRPs, it's a fair point although I'd say that Denver is an example of a team now reaping the rewards of some good drafting late in the first. Braun, Watson, Pickett, Strawther all play meaningful roles for them (to various degrees) when healthy (some of these were SRPs though).

I'm definitely okay with sending out FRPs, personally, but I wouldn't want to send 3 out for any one player, because whoever we acquire is going to be a 4th/5th option and I don't think we should ever pay that much for that. The counter that is that if we send out 3 picks for TMIII, we should do our best to make sure he's the 3rd option, at least, but I don't think the team is willing to de-prioritize Castle in the pecking order, so it's moot.
 
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Sorry @scott @mo7888 I'm not trading Castle for fucking Jaden McDaniels. I better be getting Giannis if I'm giving up a future allstar like Steph. Even then I hate it but it's less shitty than trading him for a fucking role player.
 
Kick-Stand said:
Sorry @scott @mo7888 I'm not trading Castle for fucking Jaden McDaniels. I better be getting Giannis if I'm giving up a future allstar like Steph. Even then I hate it but it's less shitty than trading him for a fucking role player.
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I doubt Steph Castle will ever be an all-star, but I get it... you think he's Alvin Robertson.
 
scott said:
Of course you like McDaniel's better... everyone does, that's why his value is considerably more than the others right now.

I wouldn't give up two picks for either of the other guys either, that's not enough of a bargain for me.

You make a good point about their contracts though, they'd be really problematic down the road.

As for FRPs, it's a fair point although I'd say that Denver is an example of a team now reaping the rewards of some good drafting late in the first. Braun, Watson, Pickett, Strawther all play meaningful roles for them (to various degrees) when healthy (some of these were SRPs though).

I'm definitely okay with sending out FRPs, personally, but I wouldn't want to send 3 out for any one player, because whoever we acquire is going to be a 4th/5th option and I don't think we should ever pay that much for that. The counter that is that if we send out 3 picks for TMIII, we should do our best to make sure he's the 3rd option, at least, but I don't think the team is willing to de-prioritize Castle in the pecking order, so it's moot.
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I don't really look at players along the lines of who is what option. Daniels would easily be a "4th or 5th" option on offense, as all he would do is stand around for open 3's and maybe try to bully smaller players in mismatches. He most certainly wouldn't be a 4th or 5th option on defense he would be guarding the other teams best almost regardless of the position. I would say him being that important would overall lift him higher than a 4th or 5th option overall on the team.

He'd also legit allow us to play small ball 5, something we currently can't do cause Barnes is to small and old Sochan is to trash and Bryant is to raw. Gives us a completely new look both offensively and defensively. We don't remotely have a small ball lineup and it's hard to get through the playoffs without playing some small ball.
 
Kick-Stand said:
Sorry @scott @mo7888 I'm not trading Castle for fucking Jaden McDaniels. I better be getting Giannis if I'm giving up a future allstar like Steph. Even then I hate it but it's less shitty than trading him for a fucking role player.
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You think Steph could be an all star :st-shocked:

I have him firmly pegged as a "sell high" guy...

I think Harper is already better than him.
 
scott said:
I doubt Steph Castle will ever be an all-star, but I get it... you think he's Alvin Robertson.
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He really doesn’t seem that far away. A modest improvement next year would make a fair argument.

He’s probably only 4 3pt percentage points away from removing his biggest weakness.

Eventually he’s going to start getting more whistles as well.

FT % needs help but it’s not in the toilet.
 
poopbox said:
I don't really look at players along the lines of who is what option. Daniels would easily be a "4th or 5th" option on offense, as all he would do is stand around for open 3's and maybe try to bully smaller players in mismatches. He most certainly wouldn't be a 4th or 5th option on defense he would be guarding the other teams best almost regardless of the position. I would say him being that important would overall lift him higher than a 4th or 5th option overall on the team.

He'd also legit allow us to play small ball 5, something we currently can't do cause Barnes is to small and old Sochan is to trash and Bryant is to raw. Gives us a completely new look both offensively and defensively. We don't remotely have a small ball lineup and it's hard to get through the playoffs without playing some small ball.
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I don't disagree with any of that... my point is I am not paying 3 FRPs for that
 
Kick-Stand said:
Sorry @scott @mo7888 I'm not trading Castle for fucking Jaden McDaniels. I better be getting Giannis if I'm giving up a future allstar like Steph. Even then I hate it but it's less shitty than trading him for a fucking role player.
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That's probably where I'm at too. The fit makes me ponder, but the value disparity is to great..
 
Robz4000 said:
Thought him and Dame didn't get along tbh?
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I'm guessing that wasn't the case? If Dame's recruiting him, then maybe the stories of Giannis not knowing they were going to waive him or whatever they did are true? I doubt Dame would be recruiting him if he went behind his back. Maybe Giannis really doesn't get involved in that kind of stuff and let's his FO do their thing?
 
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Kick-Stand said:
You seem to think he's Keith Bogans?
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I think he has the potential to be an All NBA Defender (first team even), while being a slasher/cutter/finisher with good secondary playmaking skills. That's a very valuable player... but its not someone who gets All-Star nods.

How much better on offense do you think Amen Thompson would have to be to be an All-Star? Because I don't think he's particularly close right now, despite being a 1st Team Defender and having a higher scoring average and TS% than Castle. I don't foresee defensive specialists like these guys making AS games anytime soon.

I don't want to trade Castle for McDaniels either, btw.
 
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