Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

Agree to the Trade for Greek Freak (top 4 player on the planet now)?


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MIL should ask for both. However, this would have to be an offseason thing, wouldn't it? Same boat as Paolo, they are poison pilled because their extensions haven't kicked in.

But should the Thunder do that? Of course not. The Thunder have a good chance of setting the NBA record for wins this year. They are defending champs with a young core. They have high picks still incoming... and don't forget they have Sorber who will eventually add depth. Will Topic recover from ball cancer? If he does... there is more high level depth. They have guys like Queso who they should probably S&T this summer or next to reload the pick pantry. Same with Jaylin Williams, but he's cost controlled for awhile.

Wiggins, Joe and Ajay are other guys who they can and should probably flip to refill the pick pantry at some point as well once they near the end of their deals.

They just got a free gift of Jalen Williams missing enough games to lock him into the 25% max instead of the 30% max. Caruso is on a pretty manageable extension... iHart they should probably flip this summer while they can, and it will be easy to do if Sorber's recovery is on track.

It cannot be overstated how either by luck, genius or a combination of both, Sam Presti has set this team up for sustained success as well as imaginable in this era of Cap Economics.

Some folks were talking about how they'd be forced to shed talent, but they really aren't. They are built around 3 guys, and they have perfectly set things up to continually reload around them. And they have used SRPs to actually add real players, and not just punt them into outer space. Hopefully Wright is paying attention on that front.

Dammit its so frustrating :st-lol:
i think the spurs will make more use out of SRPs out of necessity going forward. we are only getting 1 pick per year now, and theyre likely not going to have any lotto picks in the foreseeable future. we're also done having cap space. we no longer have guaranteed contracts going forward with non-performers like we previously had with branham/cissoko, etc

assuming HB is re-signed/extended, we still will have Sochan, Olynyk, Waters, McLaughlin, Biyombo's roster spots to fill with nothing more then MLE/BAE. and once wemby gets extended, im not even sure we'll be in position to use the full MLE much longer as well.

plus if we are reaching a point where we have a relatively stable 9-10 man rotation, then it makes those bottom 5 spots a lot more flexible than having it tied up with former draft picks that you kind of just cant give up on yet
 
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i think the spurs will make more use out of SRPs out of necessity going forward. we are only getting 1 pick per year now, and theyre likely not going to have any lotto picks in the foreseeable future. we're also done having cap space. we no longer have guaranteed contracts going forward with non-performers like we previously had with branham/cissoko, etc

assuming HB is re-signed/extended, we still will have Sochan, Olynyk, Waters, McLaughlin, Biyombo's roster spots to fill with nothing more then MLE/BAE. and once wemby gets extended, im not even sure we'll be in position to use the full MLE much longer as well.
We also don't have to actually use our SRPs on draft night. Useful NBA players can be had with SRPs (I threw out Marvin Bagley in the trade ideas thread). That is also a perfectly good use of picks. I just don't want to see any more cash considerations/Juan Nunez bullshit.
 
Spurs haven't even seen the whole team healthy yet and they aren't going to blow it up as the team is already showing winning potential.

Spurs are not an NBA team desperate to win their first title, goal should be to build a dynasty, with a long championship window and you do that by keeping this young core (three top 4 draft picks) who are close in age together and holding on to your future draft picks.
Spurs just need to find a way to upgrade at PF without dumping the core and future assets and they will be real contenders.
 
i think the spurs will make more use out of SRPs out of necessity going forward. we are only getting 1 pick per year now, and theyre likely not going to have any lotto picks in the foreseeable future. we're also done having cap space. we no longer have guaranteed contracts going forward with non-performers like we previously had with branham/cissoko, etc

assuming HB is re-signed/extended, we still will have Sochan, Olynyk, Waters, McLaughlin, Biyombo's roster spots to fill with nothing more then MLE/BAE. and once wemby gets extended, im not even sure we'll be in position to use the full MLE much longer as well.

plus if we are reaching a point where we have a relatively stable 9-10 man rotation, then it makes those bottom 5 spots a lot more flexible than having it tied up with former draft picks that you kind of just cant give up on yet
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David Robinson and Tim Duncan had an age gap of 11 years. If he’s Wemby’s idol, you do it. Getting the first championship is always the hardest. Giannis will help with that.
Wemby doesn't need anyone to lean on to help him get a championship. He's going to get his championship as the main man as long as he stays healthy.
 
I don't really see the point of trading for Giannis and reducing his role. You either go all in on him or you don't do it.
I don't think it'd be reducing his role as much as it would be adjusting it. Having him be a point forward wouldn't reduce his usage rate. He'd still heavily involved.
 
Spurs haven't even seen the whole team healthy yet and they aren't going to blow it up as the team is already showing winning potential.

Spurs are not an NBA team desperate to win their first title, goal should be to build a dynasty, with a long championship window and you do that by keeping this young core (three top 4 draft picks) who are close in age together and holding on to your future draft picks.
Spurs just need to find a way to upgrade at PF without dumping the core and future assets and they will be real contenders.
 
The biggest problem with Giannis is that he tends to blame everything else for not winning a championship every year. He must be extremely vocal about this, given the many extreme moves the Bucks have made to keep him happy ever since they built a contender.

He won a championship with a Big Three:
Chris Middleton, who, like Giannis, was developed by the organization, and
Jrue Holiday, whom the front office skillfully acquired in a trade for Eric Bledsoe. So, where are those guys now?
GONE!
These are guys who are gonna get Jersey Retired in the Buck arena.


Imagine if Tim Duncan, after 1999, had demanded changes instead of being content that the front office and his teammates gave him a chance to contend every year—that’s really all you can ask for. Sometimes the ball just bounces the wrong way, and you lose a series. Even if the coach underperforms, like when Bud was dealing with a family death, you don’t demand he be fired.

All because this guy buys into the hype about himself more than anything. You’d have to be completely out of your mind to even consider trading for him after what we’ve seen from this Spurs team so far this season.

If Doc Rivers is hearing anything, it’s just Giannis being a duplicitous cutthroat who got two teammates traded and two head coaches fired due to his unrealistic views of his own abilities or the impact any one player can have on winning playoff series—especially someone who has historically struggled at free throws and three-point shooting in the modern NBA.

Milwaukee, if they’re smart, should just trade this guy who has already cost them their cap space and valuable assets in an effort to accommodate and keep GIANNIS HAPPY. Hopefully, they can fleece another franchise, and the Spurs will be wise enough to give this player a wide berth despite all the dreadful chatter from X account journalists online.

FUCK THIS GUY...If you HATE KAWHI... this guy is WORSE because he isn't MUTE about ANYTHING..... Fucking MALCONTENT CUNT
the Lillard trade was dumb. They should've just kept Holiday, who right now on the Blazers is still a productive player while Dame is out with a torn ACL. They would still have their picks and could add the right wings to that team and contend every year. Instead they traded for Dame and fucked themselves over. Their defense went to shit immediately after Jrue was shipped out.

Don't forget that Giannis/Kornet lineups would have really bad spacing and we'd have to stagger lineups so Kornet plays most minutes with Wemby.
Keldon's fit in Giannis lineups would also be questionable. As would Castle's if he stayed.

Same goes for his fit on some other teams. How does Giannis with with Amen if they keep him?
How does he fit with Brunson's hero ball? Is Mike Brown the coach to figure that out?
Even if the laegue gifts him to the Lakers, how does the offense work with Luka if Giannis doesn't want to be the roll man?

Also, Giannis missed 43 games over past 3 seasons. Missed 6 in this one already before getting injured again.
And he's missed the playoffs in both 2023 and 2024.
Giannis needs a stretch 5 next to him, which are hard to come by. That's why NY should keep KAT, but it's hard due to salary. ATL got Porzingis so he'd fit there. Toronto would have to start Mamu. He wouldn't work in Houston cause Sengun doesn't play outside. Also doesn't work on the Lakers with Ayton. Technically teams should try to trade for Giannis and Turner, but Turner can't be traded right now because he just signed his deal. Maybe that's possible around the deadline.
Ware and Bam would be good fits in Miami. Golden State would have to play Draymond next to him at C, but trade scenarios say they would have to ship out Green. Wemby would basically have to play like last season to fit next to him and shoot 9 3s per game.

Roster fit is definitely a thing here.
 
MIL should ask for both. However, this would have to be an offseason thing, wouldn't it? Same boat as Paolo, they are poison pilled because their extensions haven't kicked in.

But should the Thunder do that? Of course not. The Thunder have a good chance of setting the NBA record for wins this year. They are defending champs with a young core. They have high picks still incoming... and don't forget they have Sorber who will eventually add depth. Will Topic recover from ball cancer? If he does... there is more high level depth. They have guys like Queso who they should probably S&T this summer or next to reload the pick pantry. Same with Jaylin Williams, but he's cost controlled for awhile.

Wiggins, Joe and Ajay are other guys who they can and should probably flip to refill the pick pantry at some point as well once they near the end of their deals.

They just got a free gift of Jalen Williams missing enough games to lock him into the 25% max instead of the 30% max. Caruso is on a pretty manageable extension... iHart they should probably flip this summer while they can, and it will be easy to do if Sorber's recovery is on track.

It cannot be overstated how either by luck, genius or a combination of both, Sam Presti has set this team up for sustained success as well as imaginable in this era of Cap Economics.

Some folks were talking about how they'd be forced to shed talent, but they really aren't. They are built around 3 guys, and they have perfectly set things up to continually reload around them. And they have used SRPs to actually add real players, and not just punt them into outer space. Hopefully Wright is paying attention on that front.

Dammit its so frustrating :st-lol:
they also have 3 potential lottery picks in this upcoming draft:st-pctoss:
 
Thank you. I'll take a look at that. Darn. Projected for two lottery picks right now. Man, they're not even running a lot of high picks right now as it is. Masterful job by Presti who I didn't want the Spurs to let go of back in the day.
 
He still did an amazing job to make that trade happen.
Got Oladipo+Sabonis for Ibaka, flipped them into prime PG after one season.
PG forced his way out of Indy. Are you seeing the pattern here?

Player A becomes disgruntled and forces his way out.
Presti benefits in a major way.
Player B becomes disgruntled a few years later, and walks away from his championship squad, but as a condition of signing with his new team, demands they gut their team for player A.
Presti again benefits in a major way.

It would be like giving BW genius status for getting Fox. That never happens if Fox doesn’t push his way out.
 
PG forced his way out of Indy. Are you seeing the pattern here?
So what if he forced his way out? Basically the entire league wanted PG when that trade happened. It's not like he said he wants to go to OKC and nowhere else.

I'm not giving Presti credit for the PG trade itself, but for putting himself in the position to make that trade possible.
If he kept Ibaka for another year, he wouldn't have been able to get PG.
He's knows when to sell high.
 
My favorite Presti move was when he managed to get draft picks for taking Al Horford from the Sixers as a distressed asset, then got more draft picks for trading Horford to the Celtics a year later. Even as a Spurs fan, that was a pretty sick move.
 
I'm starting to wonder if there really is a market for Giannis. Well, there is, but just how low will Milwaukee go is going to be the question. I've been saying all along that Atlanta seems best positioned to acquire Giannis, but if I'm Atlanta I'm looking at the way the OKC, Pacers, and Spurs rosters are constructed and I'm saying, "That's the way for me." ... and as it should be, especially for smaller market team (not saying Atlanta is small market, they are firmly mid).
 
I'm starting to wonder if there really is a market for Giannis. Well, there is, but just how low will Milwaukee go is going to be the question. I've been saying all along that Atlanta seems best positioned to acquire Giannis, but if I'm Atlanta I'm looking at the way the OKC, Pacers, and Spurs rosters are constructed and I'm saying, "That's the way for me." ... and as it should be, especially for smaller market team (not saying Atlanta is small market, they are firmly mid).
I'd say out of the teams that will surely throw their best offer at the Bucks, Ware/Herro, 2 FRPs and 4 swaps will probably be the best one. With a couple other players for salary matching purposes.
 
I'd say out of the teams that will surely throw their best offer at the Bucks, Ware/Herro, 2 FRPs and 4 swaps will probably be the best one. With a couple other players for salary matching purposes.
What a sad offer if so. Those swaps are probably useless.

Guess this apron thing has really messed with people’s minds. We aren’t that far from Bridges netting 4 FRP.
 
I'm starting to wonder if there really is a market for Giannis. Well, there is, but just how low will Milwaukee go is going to be the question. I've been saying all along that Atlanta seems best positioned to acquire Giannis, but if I'm Atlanta I'm looking at the way the OKC, Pacers, and Spurs rosters are constructed and I'm saying, "That's the way for me." ... and as it should be, especially for smaller market team (not saying Atlanta is small market, they are firmly mid).
Agree but all it takes is for one team to go all in. Teams, probably even the Spurs, are all posturing now. But what happens when the Nets say, screw it, here’s our whole cupboard of assets? You know the Nets are thinking it.
 
Banes got 4 picks and a swap just 7 months ago…
 
The loads were blown too early.
Said it back when Knicks got Bridges. Even if he was the missing piece for a championship (and he wasn't), it's not a price you ever pay for a high end starter.
Same goes for Bane.
If not for Bridges trade Knicks would've had Giannis by now.
 
PG forced his way out of Indy. Are you seeing the pattern here?

Player A becomes disgruntled and forces his way out.
Presti benefits in a major way.
Player B becomes disgruntled a few years later, and walks away from his championship squad, but as a condition of signing with his new team, demands they gut their team for player A.
Presti again benefits in a major way.

It would be like giving BW genius status for getting Fox. That never happens if Fox doesn’t push his way out.
Whether Presti is the smartest GM in the league, or just the luckiest, it still makes him among the best.
 
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