Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

[Neuromancer]

Not sure how reputable this guy is, but Bulls will never not be awful.

Lmao that has to be BS. Who is the Bulls young core? Giddey and Buzelis? this would be like SA refusing to trade for Giannis 3 years ago because they like their Sochan/Vassell/Keldon core

 

[LeBowen]

If the most important piece we have to give up to get Giannis is a second year guard who can't shoot and a bunch of future draft picks that could be nothing it would be borderline inefficient not to do it tbh.

We give up all of our future flexibility because we'd have no tradeable picks left up until Wemby is like 27.
We'd have to offer Giannis a supermax extension that would start in 2027, meaning he'd be under contract up until he's 37, which is risky.
Fox would have to go when that extension kicks in.
The only way for us to replenish our rotation would be free agency and second rounders.

We'd be fucked after Giannis declines if Harper doesn't develop well enough to be a legit second option for Wemby.

And obviously health issues would be the biggest concern.
The trade would be worth it only if we can guarantee that both Wemby and Giannis will stay healthy, but Giannis keeps getting injured.
Both 2023 and 2024 seasons were a failure because he got injured before or during the playoffs. And it's not going to get any better.

 

[Ice009]

Very true. I just don't trust Giannis to stay healthy. If he was younger, I'd really consider it.

I really don't want to trade any of this young core, though.

 

[NASpurs]

 

[NASpurs]

 

[NASpurs]

Just call me notsocutewizard

 

[frenchfred]

the Spurs will already have issues financially when Wemby, Castle and Harper will renew their contracts with Fox in the mix and now people want to add another supermax contract? Right now we have one supermax making 55 millions in 27-28, Wemby will most likely sign his extension this summer and will most likely have one of All-NBA, MVP, or Defensive Player of the Year award in the 2026-27 season meaning that he will be entitled to 326 millions over 5 years so start at around 60 millions in 27-28. The following year we'll have to add Castle, he probably won't command the max but if he continues improving, we are looking at a contract starting at 30-35 millions in 28-29 and then Harper in 29-30 for a similar contract.

 

[dn0774]

They got Shai through a stupid trade on the Clippers part that has also given them lots of draft picks. They didn't develop into OKC through only drafting with their own picks. Their best player and league MVP level player was through a trade.

That is a far cry from trading for a guy already in their final form (Luka). Shai came off a promising season was all, MVP level indicators weren't there yet, that development happened with OKC.

OKC stripped their team down to the studs (traded PG/Westbrook etc) a couple years before we did the same (traded Dejounte/DWhite etc), in theory we should be a couple years behind them in that regard although progress isn't linear of course. We had lottery luck (Wemby), they had development luck (Shai).

 

[Ice009]

OK, I'll relent on that one. All I was saying is they didn't draft him, but you're right, he developed there. I did see flashes in his rookie season, though, as I wanted him in a possible Kawhi trade back then.

 

[scott]

As much as I don't want to even pursue this...

I will say that if we somehow found a way of doing this without giving up an of our Big 4... a 3+2 lineup of Fox/Harper/Castle/Giannis/Wemby would be a lot of fun.

This is also the kind of lineup that you can't even keep together for very long in 2K

 

[Splits]

this is just stupid to think about. He turns 31 in 2 days, and you're not getting him without giving up Castle or Harper plus 3 FRP.

 

[Splits]

---

San Antonio Spurs get:

Giannis Antetokounmpo

Bucks get:

Stephon Castle
Harrison Barnes
Kelly Olynyk
Jordan McLaughlin
2027 first-round pick (via Hawks)
2029 first-round pick
2032 first-round pick

Pairing Antetokounmpo with Victor Wembanyama would make for the most fascinating basketball experiment. The price to accelerate San Antonio's timeline wouldn't be cheap, costing a set of first-round picks and Castle, the reigning Rookie of the Year.

Still, the potential to team up two MVP candidates in the frontcourt might be too great for the Spurs to resist. Since drafting Wembanyama, they've already traded future assets for one veteran All-Star, De'Aaron Fox, and Antetokounmpo is a much more valuable player than the former Kings point guard. If Wembanyama is healthy, a team with Fox, Antetokounmpo and Wembanyama -- let alone rookie guard Dylan Harper, Devin Vassell and standout reserves Luke Kornet and Keldon Johnson -- could compete for the title this season. After all, the Spurs are 15-6 with Fox, Castle, Harper and Wembanyama all missing time. And the Giannis-Wemby pairing could dominate for the next several seasons.

Castle would be a prime pickup if the Bucks have to trade their two-time MVP, as he seemed in the midst of a sophomore leap before straining his left hip flexor last month. This deal would also allow them to refill some of their barren draft coffers -- albeit not with their own picks. Milwaukee could additionally try flipping Barnes, a veteran having a solid season, for additional picks at the trade deadline. -- Kram

who would actually do this?

 

[Guru of Nothing]

A voice of reason.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1996656169222631778

 

[dn0774]

OK, I'll relent on that one. All I was saying is they didn't draft him, but you're right, he developed there. I did see flashes in his rookie season, though, as I wanted him in a possible Kawhi trade back then.

All good. Building a team to challenge that juggernaut is going to be a mountain of a problem for sure. Given they already have the best roster as well the best draft assets, just an insane position to be in, credit to Presti. The basketball gods can be unpredictable though to say the least. I don't see a path to acquiring Giannis without giving too much up for what would essentially amount to a 2-3 year window in which we still wouldn't be the favorites.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

All good. Building a team to challenge that juggernaut is going to be a mountain of a problem for sure. Given they already have the best roster as well the best draft assets, just an insane position to be in, credit to Presti. The basketball gods can be unpredictable though to say the least. I don't see a path to acquiring Giannis without giving too much up for what would essentially amount to a 2-3 year window in which we still wouldn't be the favorites.

And yet, I like the Spurs situation better than OKC, by quite a bit. Which is to say I agree, it's insane.

 

[Ni-G]

And yet, I like the Spurs situation better than OKC, by quite a bit. Which is to say I agree, it's insane.

Yes. If Wemby reaches his ceiling it's best 2 way player with best value from his supermax. We have good PGs all we need are role players - 3andD veterans and rookies. Then it's basically coaching job to maximise alien .

 

[twodeep]

I am just not sold on the trade I think the media is still struggling with the apron caps etc they are thinking you can just do what the heat and Golden state did just pay money but the apron caps have changed the landscape and rules on how to handle the cap long term has to be more NFL like you can only pay x players this $$$ amount if you try and pay everyone big $$$ you fail because you have no real depth etc etc

 

[RC_Drunkford]

For Giannis trades, why do people keep mentioning Atlanta. If the reports are true and the Bucks are going to try and work with teams Giannis wants to go to, what indication has there ever been that he's interested in Atlanta? Sure, the Bucks might be interested in Atlanta, but if Giannis isn't, then that NOP pick is irrelevant.

because Giannis manager was/is considered for the Hawks head of basketball operations job, which basically means Giannis runs the franchise

 

[jeebus]

lol no.

 

[scott]

FYI, if this thread threatens 100 pages I will lock it. I will not have BB be responsible for fucking our future.

 

[Ice009]

because Giannis manager was/is considered for the Hawks head of basketball operations job, which basically means Giannis runs the franchise

His manager works for them? Is he working for them, or was he just considered for the job?

FYI, if this thread threatens 100 pages I will lock it. I will not have BB be responsible for fucking our future.

I was actually about to post (before even reading this) that I hope this is one thread that doesn't go more than 20 pages.

 

[DAF86]

Let's say we trade Castle for Giannis, how does the extensions of Fox and Giannis line up with Harper's extension?

My first reaction is to not trade Castle+ a bunch of firsts for a 31 year old, but man, that Wemby-Giannis duo would be filthy on defense and the team in general would fit so well. Ringing at least once in the next 4 years should almost be a given.

 

[TimmyBuckets]

Too much money. Fox at max, Wemby max extension, Giannis max. Harper needs to get paid max extension after a few years. No. Also we dont need another non-shooter.

 

[mo7888]

Too much money. Fox at max, Wemby max extension, Giannis max. Harper needs to get paid max extension after a few years. No. Also we dont need another non-shooter.

That's my biggest concern about the purposed trade (non-shooter). If we trade Castle for Giannis we still need more shooting at the 2 and 3. Giannis wouldn't be the final piece.

 

[OK Computer]

As usual, people are lagging behind with their narratives. The “we need another shooter” idea was said because people didn’t think Fox, Harper (Castle will soon get there, too) would be threats from deep. Well, that opinion should be updated now. They are good shooters and are becoming better. The lineup doesn’t need to compensate for anything as people previously thought.

Also, Wemby is a shooter (or at least badly wants to be one) and you have to take that into account.