Trade There is Trey Murphy III to San Antonio Buzz

I don't see any realistic way the Spurs obtain TM3.
I think this all speculation- sure the Spurs may have inquired- but even as idiotic as some of the Pelicans moves have been don't see the Spurs having anything to offer. Now if you included Castle......maybe.
 
Biyombo signing makes Olynyk a trade asset?

Sochan + Olynyk works regarding salary. add two 1st rounder. ok, might not be enough yet, but a starting point.
 
Biyombo signing makes Olynyk a trade asset?

Sochan + Olynyk works regarding salary. add two 1st rounder. ok, might not be enough yet, but a starting point.
No. If you’re going to send out assets like that, it should be for someone more durable. He’s averaged a bit over 50 games the last two years. He shot 36% from long, less than Vassell. He also might just be another tank commander, putting up his numbers on terrible teams.
 
Trying to weigh Sochan against Gordon by going off of counting stats and shooting percentages is weird to me. You only need to see a couple seconds of film from their first 3 years to see 2 completely different players. Gordon was very skilled and very athletic. You could give him a basketball and he could do things like…dribble it. Sochan presents like someone who started playing when he was 16 and never developed any fundamental skills other than some low post moves.

Gordon…Draymond…these guys would read this kind of post and need to take a shower after, with people thinking a guy whose a 12th man on a playoff team is resemblant of their skillset.
 
But his skillset is rare!
 
But his skillset is rare!
Technically true since he’s probably one of the 5 least skilled forwards in the league who gets more than 15 minutes a game. Very rare to be his level of incompetent in the NBA.
 
Trying to weigh Sochan against Gordon by going off of counting stats and shooting percentages is weird to me. You only need to see a couple seconds of film from their first 3 years to see 2 completely different players. Gordon was very skilled and very athletic. You could give him a basketball and he could do things like…dribble it. Sochan presents like someone who started playing when he was 16 and never developed any fundamental skills other than some low post moves.

Gordon…Draymond…these guys would read this kind of post and need to take a shower after, with people thinking a guy whose a 12th man on a playoff team is resemblant of their skillset.
I would say that’s revisionist history. Gordon was somewhat of a disappointment (albeit as the fourth pick) and as that guy who dunks. He was casted as a number one perimeter option on the magic and he struggled mightily where he’d dribble around and launch a low efficiency mid ranger.

His numbers and production was strangely similar to sochan for the first three years, he then had a significant leap in year 4, then regressed.

If you look at just his skill set Gordon had multiple weaknesses in his game and coincidentally being a central offensive creator was one of them. He’s obviously more skilled than sochan though.

It wasn’t until he got Jokic that his athleticism was put to good use. Cutting and dunking was his main strength on offence, next is finishing on fast breaks, both things sochan has shown promise in, and I believe would be a good role for him if the spurs had enough creators.

Foe the record I don’t think sochan would ever be as good as Gordon offensively but I think he could be 70% of that, but better defensively. Time will tell, if sochan cannot fit in his role with wemby, and three creators in the lineup (fox, Harper and castle) then there’d be no hope.
 
No. If you’re going to send out assets like that, it should be for someone more durable. He’s averaged a bit over 50 games the last two years. He shot 36% from long, less than Vassell. He also might just be another tank commander, putting up his numbers on terrible teams.
this is a bit misleading. you go from talking about his last 2 years for games played, but then you dont specifcy that the 36% shootings was just this past season as opposed to that same 2 year sample. he had shot 38% from 3 the year prior, which vassell only bested once in his career (38 game sample size for devin that year).

in murphy's 4 seasons, he has shot 38.2%, 40.6%, 38.0%, and 36.1%, with a career average of 38.3%. vassell's career average is 36.9% on slightly lower volume.

murphy is a better shooter. he also is a much more comfortable off ball player in general. much quicker decision maker. more athletic finisher and explosive driver. his defense did take a step back last year, but defense hasnt been a calling card for devin for about 3 years now. but still, if you compare their recent histories defensively, murphy has been better. and if we are talking about a team likely starting Fox/Castle in the backcourt, Murphy has more length and is better equipped to defend 3's

vassell has more on-ball juice than murphy, but i dont know how much on-ball vassell is contributing to winning at all anyway. his on-ball game certainly doesnt have much value for the spurs now, and if anything comes at the expense of their team success.

its not really a question that murphy is both a better player than vassell and a better fit for the spurs, but is he worth vassell plus multiple firsts... no, i dont think so. the spurs dont feel "one piece away" and the next time they deal multiple picks for a player, that ought to be the scenario
 
this is a bit misleading. you go from talking about his last 2 years for games played, but then you dont specifcy that the 36% shootings was just this past season as opposed to that same 2 year sample. he had shot 38% from 3 the year prior, which vassell only bested once in his career (38 game sample size for devin that year).

in murphy's 4 seasons, he has shot 38.2%, 40.6%, 38.0%, and 36.1%, with a career average of 38.3%. vassell's career average is 36.9% on slightly lower volume.

murphy is a better shooter. he also is a much more comfortable off ball player in general. much quicker decision maker. more athletic finisher and explosive driver. his defense did take a step back last year, but defense hasnt been a calling card for devin for about 3 years now. but still, if you compare their recent histories defensively, murphy has been better. and if we are talking about a team likely starting Fox/Castle in the backcourt, Murphy has more length and is better equipped to defend 3's

vassell has more on-ball juice than murphy, but i dont know how much on-ball vassell is contributing to winning at all anyway. his on-ball game certainly doesnt have much value for the spurs now, and if anything comes at the expense of their team success.

its not really a question that murphy is both a better player than vassell and a better fit for the spurs, but is he worth vassell plus multiple firsts... no, i dont think so. the spurs dont feel "one piece away" and the next time they deal multiple picks for a player, that ought to be the scenario
So,he’s both breaking down AND his shooting is falling off. Got it.
 
Murphy is just a better fit on the direction the team has taken with the additions of Fox, Castle and Harper. With that said, I agree with @spurraider21 that he isn't worth Devin and multiple firsts. As much as I have been CEO of the TMIII2SA fan club, I've got to be realistic. Plus, the Spurs really need to be getting out of contracts like Devin's and TMIII's and looking to fill that 4th option role with contracts that look more like HB and Keldon's if they can.
 
Would you rather give that type of capital for Lauri?
I'm also a huge Lauri fan, but quite frankly we can't take on salaries like that anymore. We could add a max guy for two years, if we wanted (Durant would have been a good example), but once Wemby's max kicks in we're going to have to be a little more diligent with our cap management. Things are going to start to get iffy if Castle and Harper live up to expectations. The ideal move, IMO would be to move Devin for some like De'Andre Hunter: move of a SF with better size (6'7"), only two years left at a slightly smaller salary. Another option would be Kris Middleton. Higher salary but expiring this year. It's too bad we couldn't land Porzingas as was rumored... only 1-year at 30mil left for him. That would have been perfect.
 
Would you rather give that type of capital for Lauri?
Hmmm, great question.
They are 3 years apart (25/28) and I feel like Lauri would get us closer now, but, TMIII would be in his prime when our potential championship window was open. I do think that Lauri would solve a lot of problems for the Spurs. I probably would give up that haul for him and look for a couple SF projects to round out the roster.

Fox/Castle/Champ/Lauri/Wemby SL is pretty balanced and would be a very tough matchup for at least half the league.
Harper/Waters/KJ/Sochan/Kornet +KO is a so-so 2nd team
 
I would rather trade for Saddiq Bey. Should be cheaper and will fill a lot of the needs.
 
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