Player The Methodical Meritocracy of Maestro Mitch Johnson and his Many Minions

I don't know where else to put this so I'm going with here.

14 Losses.

That's where we stand as of right now, and a lot of those losses feel dirty.
  1. Nov 2 @ PHX. This one feels like one of our "cleanest" losses of the year. We just got outplayed by a team that schemed very well against Wemby. We shot .244 from 3 while they shot .576 (!!!) from deep and just flat out took us behind the bard
  2. Nov 5 @ LAL. A game marred by horrible officiating, 84 FTA combined and Wemby fouling out. Yet... we were still in it. We're a significantly better team than LAL, and we let this one get away, but it didn't feel as dirty as some of the others.
  3. Nov 12 v GSW. We led after the first by 14 and then Curry just turned back the clock on us. Wemby and Fox combined for 14 TOV in this game, but mostly this was a loss at the hands of Curry going bananas.
  4. Nov 14 v GSW. This one felt worse to me. Curry follows up a 46 point game with a 49 point game, but we let this one slip away and maybe could have/should have run a better play to end the game
  5. Nov 23 @ PHX. A game without Wemby so can't feel too bad about this one, but we led at half and collapsed in the third quarter. Again, this felt like a "clean" loss.
  6. Nov 30 @ MIN. A fourth quarter collapse without Wemby. We only shot .242 from 3, Wolves shot .459. We lost this game by 13 but outscored in the 4th by 17. Just gross stuff.
  7. Dec 5 @ CLE. Still no Wemby, and this time it was an epic turd quarter (lost by 25) that did us in. We won every other quarter that game.
  8. Dec 27 v UTA. We were on an emotional high and had a major let down, but it was all about the second quarter, which we lost by 18 in the 13 point defeat. Mitch got cute with lineups after we jumped out to an early lead and it all fell apart. Dirty, dirty loss.
  9. Dec 29 v CLE. A 4th quarter collapse. This one felt dirty as well because of how badly we fell apart in the 4th with our offense looking disjointed. Wemby and Kornet were our only positive players that game, everyone else was pretty garbage.
  10. Jan 3 v POR. A team we should have beat, and we even took the lead in the 4th IIRC, but we couldn't pull it off. Deni had a triple double, POR shot .422 from 3 and we struggled on offense in a game without Wemby.
  11. Jan 6 @ MEM. The "wtf are we doing with Wemby" game. Didn't play in the final 4 minutes, not even the last 15 seconds when we needed a bucket. Just stupid stupid stupid.
  12. Jan 11 @ MIN. Another collapse game. Was gifted a 16-0 head start and still choked it away in the 4th, getting outscored by 15 to lose by 1.
  13. Jan 13 @ OKC. I'm actually chalking this up to a clean loss. They owed us one here.
  14. Jan 20 @ HOU. Complete choke job. 12 points in the 4th, 34 points in the second half... unacceptable.
Why do I bring this up?

I'm going to count all the losses without Wemby as clean losses even if some of them (especially the Nov 30 @ MIN and Jan 3 v POR games) felt dirty. We have a pretty good record without Wemby but you can't expect to win them all without your star. So that is 4 losses. I also count 4 other losses that I can't complain too much about (Nov 2 @ PHX, Nov 12 v GSW, Nov 14 v GSW, Jan 13 @ OKC). There is one more that I'll chalk up to variance and a fluke, the Nov 5 @ LAL.

That leaves 5 losses that a team with more experience, coaching prowess and composure should win. We win those (Dec 27 v UTA, Dec 29 v CLE, Jan 6 @ MEM, Jan 11 @ MIN, Jan 20 @ HOU) five games and we are sitting 35-9 and in the hunt to fight OKC for the #1 seed.

If you zoom out, it's not surprising we're losing games like this. We're inexperienced. Both on the court and on the sidelines. Whether or not Mitch ever learns is to be determined, but he'll have to learn how to coach us through these types of games. Right now he's performing as a rookie coach would be expected to... the problem is the rookie coach has a really good team and in hindsight is probably too good to be trotting out a rookie head coach. We can't put that genie back in the bottle now though... we just need to hope Mitch can take note of what most people can see and make those low hanging fruit adjustments while honing the rest of his craft.

Can he do it? To be determined... lots of people don't think he can, and honestly it's hard to blame them.
 
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Quentin_Compson said:
What I find a bit weird is when people who say that Mitch should go because he is unproven want to replace him with guys like Sean Sweeney or Tiago - who are just as unproven as head coaches as Mitch is.
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Good point and I think back to who I wanted... Becky, who is also equally as unproven in the NBA.

I could have gotten on board with a Jenkins or Malone hire, but it's not like they would have gotten me super fired up. People loved Hurley, but I was never that impressed and it sounds like people are getting sick of his shit at UCONN?

I think really it just boils down to the Spurs team being better than expected. Mitch is not the guy you hire for a Top 3 (or even Top 5) team in the league. But we thought we were going to be trying to be a Top 10 team (Top 6 in the West). That's the kind of team a guy like Mitch can grow with, but now we have a team that is being held back by it's coach not being ready for their level. It's a rough spot to be in, because you can't fire that guy while you're still a Top 3 team in the league.
 
Good post, but I also think that most of the clutch games we won should be added in there.
As in being on pace for 10 bad losses in a season isn't that bad, but a lot of our wins were also "bad".
I know, I know, no win can be bad, but how many happened after we were up 10 to 15 points, lost the lead completely and then got bailed out by Fox or Wemby?

And as of late those clutch plays have started drying up, meaning we won't keep winning 75% of the games in which we throw the lead away.
We have 8 wins by 5 points or less and just 7 by 15+ points.

Almost every game is close because we keep having these terrible sequences where we regularly give up 10+ point leads within minutes.
Then we look at the minutes played for leading players. I'll exclude Wemby because it's not Mitch fault he's on a minutes restriction.
SGA 33.4mpg while sitting most 4th quarters.
Jokic 35.4mpg, Murray 34.6mpg.
Amen 37.2mpg, KD 36.6mpg.
Luka 36.3mpg, Reaves 35.3mpg, Lebron 33.2mpg.
Booker 34.1mpg.
Edwards 35.2mpg, Randle 33.7mpg.

Those are the playoff teams in the West.
Meanwhile, our 28 year old max player Fox is at 32.5mpg.
Why?
You can say it's just a minute or two worth of difference, but how many of those bad losses scott listed could've been prevented if he played a couple more minutes instead of checking in with 4 minutes left in the game.
And even those 32 minutes would've been fine if Harper was averaging 28mpg or so. But Harper is at 21mpg, the least out of any regular rotation member.

2026 Spurs aren't 2016 Spurs full of old men that need to be managed to stay fresh for the playoffs.

Quentin_Compson said:
What I find a bit weird is when people who say that Mitch should go because he is unproven want to replace him with guys like Sean Sweeney or Tiago - who are just as unproven as head coaches as Mitch is.
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Hopefully one of our French members can go in depth about Tiago. He won both trophies in France and qualified for Euroleague in his only season with Paris.
 
Experience.
Rookie NBA Coaches who 'Chip'd:
Paul Westhead
Pat Riley
Steve Kerr
Ty Lue
Nick Nurse

Granted all of these took over stacked, or at least Championship contending rosters.
Stephina Kerr had Luke Walton and then Potatoe Head win just as many games as him in the Durbetta collusion year. Obviously their roster and refs and extreme, history making injuries to playoff opponents in 2015 made his 1st Chip happen.

Did Mitchy take over a contending team? Well no certainly not last year altho i would argue this years roster has Final Four potential.

My point being some rosters do not require genius BBIQ level, rather just basic basketball common sense + don't phuck it up.
Mitch has displayed too many times (see list of leads blown above) a very low BBIQ level. He is indeed a Pop hire for all intents and purposes.

Where to go from here? Eeesh that's a tough one with the cluster this FO has created. Hope Mitch gets better? Umm some of the moves he's had his entire life to work on including his Dad talking strategy with him all the time. I'm afraid Mitch has displayed he simply doesn't have "it". This FOs M.O. will probably be to waste 3 more years on Mitch. So, i hate to say it but it's probably going to take a Wemby motivated push for a replacement.

If Mitch stuns and Chips I'll be more then happy to eat crow.
 
This was the Jazz game:
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Should've been an easy blowout, but then mastermind Mitch decides Harper needs to get over himself and goes with just Castle out of 3 point guards while also playing Waters and Olynyk.

Is there a single respectable journalist that's going to ask him about these things? What prompted that shit? Did he think an 11 point lead at the start of the second quarter was enough?
Or did the front office people tell him every charity case needs their minutes to keep the family atmosphere going? We've barely had any games with a healthy rotation, we don't need experimental shit, especially if players that have no business being on the floor are getting those minutes.
CB is replacing Devin in the usual 9 man rotation while he's injured and that's about it. No need for Olynyk or Waters unless we're in trouble and need a spark.

I'm sure there are a lot more of these, I just can't be bothered to go through every game.
 
Like any coach, you can quibble with a number of issues, but to me his hands are mostly tied by the combination of poor roster construction, politics and Wembanyama's sub 30 minutes limit.

Without Vassell, they literally don't have a 9th player who both fits with and is good enough to be in the rotation.

The closest thing to a fix would be to make Fox the lead guard and increase his minutes, while cutting Castle's, eliminating his solo ball handler minutes, as well as Bryant's period and spotting in Waters and Olynyk instead.
 
RC_Drunkford said:
This is giving me vibes from last season, where in every postgame interview after a loss it was Mitch saying "I think we lacked physicality" and yet nothing changed as the season went on. By the way we still lack physicality, cause the story of these losses is that teams start to get more physical with us in the second half and we don't know how to respond.

Mitch's newest postgame excuse is "we didn't execute well" which he now brings up everytime this team loses a game. They just couldn't execute these super complicated DHOs at the top of the key that he drew up.

What's funny to me is his focus on holding on to timeouts. Coaches challenge? Nah, I could lose a timeout. Opponent goes on a run, maybe draw up a play to stop the bleeding? Nah I might need my timeouts in the last 30 seconds. Then proceeds to not use those at all because the game went out of hand.
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Draw up a play to stop the bleeding? That can only happen if the coach has the BBIQ to identify what needs fixing and has an appropriate play to turn the tide. Mitch ain't that guy, at least not yet for the next few years while he cluelessly tinkers with weird lineups like the simulator crew before him.
 
umm, bout the players. This Roster.

I realize a lot of guys here may have joined our program at any point in the last 50 years. Some of us go back almost the whole fifty, while others are just a few years in, so you may not have a complete knowledge of this team and its players.

The last time the Spurs had this many lottery picks and young players with this level of talent mixed with experienced vets was when D-Rob and Sean were rookies. Facts.

-Drob was Wemby the Generational Big Phenom #1 Pick
-Elliot was Castle the Big Versatile Wing #3 pick
-Willie Anderson was Harper the Big Guard who Could Get to the Rim #10 pick
-Maurice Cheeks/Rod Stickland was De Arron Foxx
-Terry Cummings Kornet experiences Front Court Banger
-Mike Mitchel the Combo of Keldon and Devin Spurs Culture
-Vernon Maxwel Let's face it nobody on this Roster is Mad max

It’s not exactly a one-to-one comparison, but pretty close. I understand some of you, especially the trade machine guys. The amateur, non-credentialed NBA scouts always seem to have one gripe or another about many of the players on the roster may not agree with this next Fact.

Bottom line, the reason we’ve seen a turnaround similar to the one in 1989–90 is the raw talent spread throughout the roster. (Actually, that roster was brimming was talent...so deep)

Except that Roster had Larry Brown to Coach it. Now I'd like to you see guys argue that Larry Brown in 1989-he went crazy and quit is not as good as Mitch. I know you will. That Team was so talented that If Larry from 15 years later were coaching it would have been,

Micheal Jordan great player never won the big one.
Bulls What?
Phill Jackson, nice nicks roll Playing Big man.

The reason it went to shit was a HOF coach was still crazy and the coaches we got after were Mitch Johson Level.
We’re just stuck with Mitch, so let’s hope this roster is better and that the moon and stars align so they achieve something in spite of this lousy coach.

There is nothing wrong with the players.
 
CrustyCoastBendFan said:
umm, bout the players. This Roster.

I realize a lot of guys here may have joined our program at any point in the last 50 years. Some of us go back almost the whole fifty, while others are just a few years in, so you may not have a complete knowledge of this team and its players.

The last time the Spurs had this many lottery picks and young players with this level of talent mixed with experienced vets was when D-Rob and Sean were rookies. Facts.

-Drob was Wemby the Generational Big Phenom #1 Pick
-Elliot was Castle the Big Versatile Wing #3 pick
-Willie Anderson was Harper the Big Guard who Could Get to the Rim #10 pick
-Maurice Cheeks/Rod Stickland was De Arron Foxx
-Terry Cummings Kornet experiences Front Court Banger
-Mike Mitchel the Combo of Keldon and Devin Spurs Culture
-Vernon Maxwel Let's face it nobody on this Roster is Mad max

It’s not exactly a one-to-one comparison, but pretty close. I understand some of you, especially the trade machine guys. The amateur, non-credentialed NBA scouts always seem to have one gripe or another about many of the players on the roster may not agree with this next Fact.

Bottom line, the reason we’ve seen a turnaround similar to the one in 1989–90 is the raw talent spread throughout the roster. (Actually, that roster was brimming was talent...so deep)

Except that Roster had Larry Brown to Coach it. Now I'd like to you see guys argue that Larry Brown in 1989-he went crazy and quit is not as good as Mitch. I know you will. That Team was so talented that If Larry from 15 years later were coaching it would have been,

Micheal Jordan great player never won the big one.
Bulls What?
Phill Jackson, nice nicks roll Playing Big man.

The reason it went to shit was a HOF coach was still crazy and the coaches we got after were Mitch Johson Level.
We’re just stuck with Mitch, so let’s hope this roster is better and that the moon and stars align so they achieve something in spite of this lousy coach.

There is nothing wrong with the players.
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The roster construction still has one big flaw: the lack of a physical presence that is an automatic bucket down in the low post. Someone to overcompensate for the lack of quality coaching and play-calling by collapsing the opposing defence to also create space for outside shooters. Wemby is not that guy yet, and may never be due to his body type. But Wright and the FO seemed to be allergic to picking low post players in the draft, perhaps due to the legacy playbook being heavily biased towards guard play.
 
Snaq O'Meal said:
The roster construction still has one big flaw: the lack of a physical presence that is an automatic bucket down in the low post. Someone to overcompensate for the lack of quality coaching and play-calling by collapsing the opposing defence to also create space for outside shooters. Wemby is not that guy yet, and may never be due to his body type. But Wright and the FO seemed to be allergic to picking low post players in the draft, perhaps due to the legacy playbook being heavily biased towards guard play.
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Sure
Agree to disagree.
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Bring Tiago Home
 
The question isn't if mitch can be the guy to draw a play to stop the bleeding.. my grandma also could be... the problem is that he isn't right now, and i doubt anyone is spanking him to understand that he needs to be. That is a problem.
 
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Snaq O'Meal said:
The roster construction still has one big flaw: the lack of a physical presence that is an automatic bucket down in the low post. Someone to overcompensate for the lack of quality coaching and play-calling by collapsing the opposing defence to also create space for outside shooters. Wemby is not that guy yet, and may never be due to his body type. But Wright and the FO seemed to be allergic to picking low post players in the draft, perhaps due to the legacy playbook being heavily biased towards guard play.
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Keldon and Kornet say hi!
 
Mitch has undoubtedly made some "rookie" mistakes as a HC. I'd still say overall he's earning more than a passing grade...B to B+ in my book.

Does he (and the team) have the acumen to win a playoff series at this point? Hard to tell. I haven't seen him have to (or try to) adjust a whole lot, and a 7 game series is all about how you can adjust to your opponent. We should match up ok with most teams in the post season, but I do question the mettle of a young team and young coach and how resilient they will be in a tough series.

I'd say, regardless of who's coaching, this will be a learning experience for these guys in the post season. If they can stretch out whoever they play and compete, even if they end up losing, I'd call it a win and step in the right direction.

I'm not on the bandwagon that Mitch isn't a good coach or isn't leading this team well.
 
Ed Helicopter Jones said:
Mitch has undoubtedly made some "rookie" mistakes as a HC. I'd still say overall he's earning more than a passing grade...B to B+ in my book.

Does he (and the team) have the acumen to win a playoff series at this point? Hard to tell. I haven't seen him have to (or try to) adjust a whole lot, and a 7 game series is all about how you can adjust to your opponent. We should match up ok with most teams in the post season, but I do question the mettle of a young team and young coach and how resilient they will be in a tough series.

I'd say, regardless of who's coaching, this will be a learning experience for these guys in the post season. If they can stretch out whoever they play and compete, even if they end up losing, I'd call it a win and step in the right direction.

I'm not on the bandwagon that Mitch isn't a good coach or isn't leading this team well.
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Good point and I agree much of how we evaluate him should not be on what he is at this moment in time but rather how he adjusts (nor not) from here.

I struggle to buy into the concept that misusing Fox is part of some grand developmental scheme and we can just switch Fox back on when the time is right. It also just doesn't fully make sense to me that you would prioritize developing Castle as a lead ball handling PG when you just signed a lead ball handing PG to a max deal and then drafted another lead ball handling PG #2 overall in the draft. I get the value of having multiple ball handlers... but there are practical limits.

Anyway, I'm interested to see how Mitch takes things from here. This team (overall and demonstrated in our star, Wemby) has shown a ton of resilience and the an ability to quickly bounce back from getting exposed and evolving into a new shape. This latest bump in the road has been... extended, to say the least... but I feel confident we'll learn from it and bounce back. It's gonna need Mitch to wake up to some of these things, IMO... but then again... I'm just some bum who watches on TV and it should be acknowledged Mitch is a zillion times smarter than me :st-lol:
 
scott said:
I struggle to buy into the concept that misusing Fox is part of some grand developmental scheme and we can just switch Fox back on when the time is right. It also just doesn't fully make sense to me that you would prioritize developing Castle as a lead ball handling PG when you just signed a lead ball handing PG to a max deal and then drafted another lead ball handling PG #2 overall in the draft. I get the value of having multiple ball handlers... but there are practical limits.
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It really doesn't make sense. Only thing that would make sense to me is if they're looking to trade Castle and the other team wants an extended look at him at PG, but I'm sure there is 0% chance they're doing if for that, so back to your original point, it doesn't make sense. Since this is the team that played JS at PG, I can't figure out what they're thinking.
 
scott said:
I don't know where else to put this so I'm going with here.

14 Losses.

That's where we stand as of right now, and a lot of those losses feel dirty.
  1. Nov 2 @ PHX. This one feels like one of our "cleanest" losses of the year. We just got outplayed by a team that schemed very well against Wemby. We shot .244 from 3 while they shot .576 (!!!) from deep and just flat out took us behind the bard
  2. Nov 5 @ LAL. A game marred by horrible officiating, 84 FTA combined and Wemby fouling out. Yet... we were still in it. We're a significantly better team than LAL, and we let this one get away, but it didn't feel as dirty as some of the others.
  3. Nov 12 v GSW. We led after the first by 14 and then Curry just turned back the clock on us. Wemby and Fox combined for 14 TOV in this game, but mostly this was a loss at the hands of Curry going bananas.
  4. Nov 14 v GSW. This one felt worse to me. Curry follows up a 46 point game with a 49 point game, but we let this one slip away and maybe could have/should have run a better play to end the game
  5. Nov 23 @ PHX. A game without Wemby so can't feel too bad about this one, but we led at half and collapsed in the third quarter. Again, this felt like a "clean" loss.
  6. Nov 30 @ MIN. A fourth quarter collapse without Wemby. We only shot .242 from 3, Wolves shot .459. We lost this game by 13 but outscored in the 4th by 17. Just gross stuff.
  7. Dec 5 @ CLE. Still no Wemby, and this time it was an epic turd quarter (lost by 25) that did us in. We won every other quarter that game.
  8. Dec 27 v UTA. We were on an emotional high and had a major let down, but it was all about the second quarter, which we lost by 18 in the 13 point defeat. Mitch got cute with lineups after we jumped out to an early lead and it all fell apart. Dirty, dirty loss.
  9. Dec 29 v CLE. A 4th quarter collapse. This one felt dirty as well because of how badly we fell apart in the 4th with our offense looking disjointed. Wemby and Kornet were our only positive players that game, everyone else was pretty garbage.
  10. Jan 3 v POR. A team we should have beat, and we even took the lead in the 4th IIRC, but we couldn't pull it off. Deni had a triple double, POR shot .422 from 3 and we struggled on offense in a game without Wemby.
  11. Jan 6 @ MEM. The "wtf are we doing with Wemby" game. Didn't play in the final 4 minutes, not even the last 15 seconds when we needed a bucket. Just stupid stupid stupid.
  12. Jan 11 @ MIN. Another collapse game. Was gifted a 16-0 head start and still choked it away in the 4th, getting outscored by 15 to lose by 1.
  13. Jan 13 @ OKC. I'm actually chalking this up to a clean loss. They owed us one here.
  14. Jan 20 @ HOU. Complete choke job. 12 points in the 4th, 34 points in the second half... unacceptable.
Why do I bring this up?

I'm going to count all the losses without Wemby as clean losses even if some of them (especially the Nov 30 @ MIN and Jan 3 v POR games) felt dirty. We have a pretty good record without Wemby but you can't expect to win them all without your star. So that is 4 losses. I also count 4 other losses that I can't complain too much about (Nov 2 @ PHX, Nov 12 v GSW, Nov 14 v GSW, Jan 13 @ OKC). There is one more that I'll chalk up to variance and a fluke, the Nov 5 @ LAL.

That leaves 5 losses that a team with more experience, coaching prowess and composure should win. We win those (Dec 27 v UTA, Dec 29 v CLE, Jan 6 @ MEM, Jan 11 @ MIN, Jan 20 @ HOU) five games and we are sitting 35-9 and in the hunt to fight OKC for the #1 seed.

If you zoom out, it's not surprising we're losing games like this. We're inexperienced. Both on the court and on the sidelines. Whether or not Mitch ever learns is to be determined, but he'll have to learn how to coach us through these types of games. Right now he's performing as a rookie coach would be expected to... the problem is the rookie coach has a really good team and in hindsight is probably too good to be trotting out a rookie head coach. We can't put that genie back in the bottle now though... we just need to hope Mitch can take note of what most people can see and make those low hanging fruit adjustments while honing the rest of his craft.

Can he do it? To be determined... lots of people don't think he can, and honestly it's hard to blame them.
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great assessment of the losses here. i feel the memphis loss was the most inexcusable one because Mitch just pooped the bed on that one. you gonna tell me that an extra 3 or 4 minutes was going to jeopardize the rest of the season for Wemby? or that Mitch's hands were tied because the medical staff has the ultimate authority on this one.

also, i'd like to see how many of these losses involve 6'2" or under (reed sheppard is not 6'3") white guys torching us in clutch time.
 
scott said:
I struggle to buy into the concept that misusing Fox is part of some grand developmental scheme and we can just switch Fox back on when the time is right. It also just doesn't fully make sense to me that you would prioritize developing Castle as a lead ball handling PG when you just signed a lead ball handing PG to a max deal and then drafted another lead ball handling PG #2 overall in the draft. I get the value of having multiple ball handlers... but there are practical limits.
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If it is April, Castle is on the struggle bus, and we haven't found a consistent role for Fox, I think we should all be critical of that decision.
 
rjv said:
great assessment of the losses here. i feel the memphis loss was the most inexcusable one because Mitch just pooped the bed on that one. you gonna tell me that an extra 3 or 4 minutes was going to jeopardize the rest of the season for Wemby? or that Mitch's hands were tied because the medical staff has the ultimate authority on this one.

also, i'd like to see how many of these losses involve 6'2" or under (reed sheppard is not 6'3") white guys torching us in clutch time.
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A running list off the top of my head:

Collin Gillespie
Cam Spencer
Reed Sheppard
Tyler Kolek

Guys too tall for the list but same vibe:

Grayson Allen
Donte DiVencenzo
 
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My main gripe with Mitch is his inflexibility with his lineups. It seems to be predetermined ahead of the game and he’s run these lineups regardless of what’s going on. The spurs have options and different weapons to dispose depending on matchups and who got the hot hand (other than shooting) but Mitch would trot out these lineups over and over, the lineups will predictably tank but he would make no adjustments whatsoever. Which is why we have lost so many big leads this year.
 
scott said:
... but then again... I'm just some bum who watches on TV and it should be acknowledged Mitch is a zillion times smarter than me :st-lol:
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Debatable. You're a sharp guy. I'd say there is a non zero chance you might have coached this team to a better record.
 
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As much as Mitch drives me nuts some games, he's been more on than off, and I prefer they keep it in-house, than go through the gauntlet of what would most likely be a different coach every year, like most other teams.
 
good adjustment from Mitch to put Keldon on Nurkic so Wemby can stay in the paint. Also finally Wemby/Fox PnRs and DHOs to close out the game.
 
I thought I saw some experiments against the jazz.. I've seen some screens, castle asking for one one time was interesting.. granted the result was awkward, but can't ask for more when you don't run a pick in months.. Maybe Hill (i think it was) clowning him was heard.
 
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