Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

[Shmurs]

The most interesting thing about a potential Giannis to SA deal is it would give the Spurs 48 minutes of having one of the league's most unstoppable forces on the court, and that has value. And that's before you get to the minutes where they would overlap.

It would be interesting to see... but I'd rather see us keep refining the winning formula we've developed rather than experiment on one that may not work.

Hard pass.

This team’s 9 man rotation is a contender right now…if they can shoot.

If shooting remains a variable to the degree it is today, then we will need to figure out a way to overcome poor shooting. Giannis is that, at least as much of that as is possible.

But whether shooting will remain this variable is a question we need to sit with for at least another year. Because the cost of Giannis is Harper or castle and they obviously aren’t finished products. Not close.

and I say “giannis” and not “Devin coming back” because he’s just one guy with a fairly limited shot diet and there isn’t a through line between Devin’s shooting and the rest of the team. The rest of the team needs improving whether Devin is healthy or not.

 

[O_V]

I'd rather give up Fox and two firsts than either Harper or Castle.

 

[spurraider21]

I'd rather give up Fox and two firsts than either Harper or Castle.

salary wise it makes it easier. but

1) a resetting bucks team wouldnt want a 28 year old Fox with a max extension pending
2) a spurs team pushing their chips to the middle to make a run with giannis over the next few years is going to want fox to be a part of the run, at least until wemby's next contract kicks in

 

[Dbreiden83080]

I see the Giannis to the Spurs very much like the "Trae to the Spurs" rumors from a couple years ago - very one-sided in that there's a star wanting out of their team and looking for a landing place, and the Spurs would be one of many good places to crash into.

But the fit is not good with our core. I don't see it for the Rockettes either... My bet is he'll be traded to an unexpected team and stay on the East.

Giannis is very unselfish and would just want to fit in. He plays great D and is a great rebounder. I am sure he would take his foot off the gas as needed with his O. But this is NOT a move the Spurs make. It would be such a huge splash. They like their core clearly and will play the long game which is fine..

 

[spurs2112]

I rather stick with our core players and address the issues. I'm not going to lie, Vic and Giannis on the same team is very intriguing but not if we have to gut the team like many have said. I honestly think with our current roster they can contend if our guards can increase their shooting percentages. We've seen this season how scary they can be we when they're clicking on all cylinders. We just need consistency and hopefully that comes with time. Unless Giannis pulls a, I will only re-sign with the Spurs, and we get him at a cheap price (I'm not a salary cap guy so I don't even know if its possible) I'd say pass.

 

[ambchang]

Giannis on the spurs reminded me so much of the Shaq to Suns disaster in 2008. It creates more problems than it solves and would essentially end a franchise’s chance of any future flexibility in an all in move.

People often use rings to evaluate the greatness of a player but for me it’s how easy it is to build around a player that’s more important. The Jordan 6 rings thing being an example, he required a very specific type of team to win, low usage shooting all around (PG, C), a rugged defensive rebounding PF, and Scottie Pippen, who I can’t think of anyone who can replace him on the history of the league, basically the best wing defender in nba history (at least top 3) who can run the offense, rebound, defend the post, and score. Essentially a t-Mac who can or is willing to defend, or a Paul George who can defend better.

Giannis is in the same boat. You would require shooting all around (a rim protecting c who can shoot don’t grow on trees), a top defensive PG or G and a wing who can create and shoot (these roles could be reversed) and even then it depends on matchups as their half court offense often bogs down.

Giannis on the spurs would be tough to win. Wemby can be that three shooting rim protector but do you actually want that? Then there isn’t enough shooting at all and not enough defensive wings/guards. I just don’t see it.

 

[Shmurs]

Was there a fit problem with Shaq in Phoenix or was he just old, fat and unhealthy at that point? It was definitely the latter. Was not aware of the former. Or are you just saying it was a problem with money and gravity and ego and all that?

Giannis is the 3rd best player on earth, and earth currently has an insane amount of basketball talent. We’d probably have one of the best defenses of all time and we’re adding a guy who averages 30 on the other end. I agree the fit is clumsy as all hell and may not work but I don’t see any historical comparisons here. This would be an insane thing to witness.

…but we aren’t doing it.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Yea people whining about fit are ridiculous. Our team doesn’t even fit this year. They probably won’t fit next year either. Or the year after. Unless Castle and Harper magically lean to shoot with our shitty unproven shooting coach.

Parker and Ginobili didn’t “fit.” And neither did Dave and Tim. Yet somehow we won 5 championships anyways. Giannis and Wemby do fit. Having the best player on the court for 48 minutes during the playoffs would be championship level that no other team can match. Imagine instead of having Sochan as the PF during Wembys break we have freaking Giannis.

Everyone said that Klay. KD and Curry wouldn’t fit. Same with Bosh LeBron and Wade. And don’t revisionist history me bc nobody said those players fit each other. Talent wins period

 

[Kick-Stand]

Everyone said that Klay. KD and Curry wouldn’t fit.

Who the fuck would have ever said that?

 

[Kick-Stand]

I'm gonna keep posting the Colors clip as long as people want to make short-sighted moves when the team is already stacked with young talent that also happens to make them a matchup nightmare for their biggest competition.

 

[Ice009]

Who the fuck would have ever said that?

I'm not sure if it was ever said they won't, but I do think it was mentioned by some that there's only one ball and it won't work.

 

[LeBowen]

I'm not sure if it was ever said they won't, but I do think it was mentioned by some that there's only one ball and it won't work.

Only one ball with Curry and Klay being two of the best ever off the ball players.

 

[mo7888]

Giannis on the spurs reminded me so much of the Shaq to Suns disaster in 2008. It creates more problems than it solves and would essentially end a franchise’s chance of any future flexibility in an all in move.

People often use rings to evaluate the greatness of a player but for me it’s how easy it is to build around a player that’s more important. The Jordan 6 rings thing being an example, he required a very specific type of team to win, low usage shooting all around (PG, C), a rugged defensive rebounding PF, and Scottie Pippen, who I can’t think of anyone who can replace him on the history of the league, basically the best wing defender in nba history (at least top 3) who can run the offense, rebound, defend the post, and score. Essentially a t-Mac who can or is willing to defend, or a Paul George who can defend better.

Giannis is in the same boat. You would require shooting all around (a rim protecting c who can shoot don’t grow on trees), a top defensive PG or G and a wing who can create and shoot (these roles could be reversed) and even then it depends on matchups as their half court offense often bogs down.

Giannis on the spurs would be tough to win. Wemby can be that three shooting rim protector but do you actually want that? Then there isn’t enough shooting at all and not enough defensive wings/guards. I just don’t see it.

I'm a little torn on adding Giannis and can see arguments on both sides, but he isn't anything like the phoenix Shaq. If we must use a Shaq analogy it's more like his move to Miami, but even that doesn't do this move justice.

 

[Ice009]

Only one ball with Curry and Klay being two of the best ever off the ball players.

I didn't say it. I wasn't one of the people that didn't think it'd work.

 

[LeBowen]

I'm a little torn on adding Giannis and can see arguments on both sides, but he isn't anything luke the phoenix Shaq. If we must use a Shaq quite it's more like his move to Miami, but even that doesn't do this move justice.

Giannis is still arguably the best player in the league after Jokic.
He kept shitting on our defense with ease until we pulled away.
Scoring 29ppg on 65% FG(!!!) this season while being the entire focus of opposing defenses.

The question is what's our goal? To win one or two while we can and then have Wemby hit his prime with no assets or relevant role players to continue competing after Giannis falls off?
The issue isn't even that it would cost one of Castle/Harper, if not both, but also almost all of our picks and then we'd be fucked. Seen it too many times already.

Maybe worth doing if we knew Wemby can stay healthy, but definitely not with his current injury issues.

 

[Ice009]

So, with Giannis, I think about the defense, and that excites me quite a bit. So that makes me very interested. I do think about having one of Victor or Giannis on the court at all times, but other than going further than that, I don't think too much about the offensive side of the ball when thinking about this pairing. I just don't know. If he were two or three years younger, I'd seriously consider doing it.
It's just age right now and mortgaging the future that makes it a tough call to make. In theory, it makes the window shorter, but there's no guarantee that it'd be a better window to not do it. Tougher call than a lot of people think it is IMO.
I'm even borderline right now just thinking about it.

 

[mo7888]

Giannis is still arguably the best player in the league after Jokic.
He kept shitting on our defense with ease until we pulled away.
Scoring 29ppg on 65% FG(!!!) this season while being the entire focus of opposing defenses.

The question is what's our goal? To win one or two while we can and then have Wemby hit his prime with no assets or relevant role players to continue competing after Giannis falls off?
The issue isn't even that it would cost one of Castle/Harper, if not both, but also almost all of our picks and then we'd be fucked. Seen it too many times already.

Maybe worth doing if we knew Wemby can stay healthy, but definitely not with his current injury issues.

Thats the billion dollar question. It's definitely a 2-3 year play and it definitely depletes some long term assets. Is that worth it though? Maybe it is... I'd be more in favor of giving up Castle than Harper, but I wouldn't do both. I'd also hope the draft capital could be kept to a reasonable number because of Giannis pushing for SA. We'd still need another shooter and I dont see where we get one.

It's a tough call..

 

[Ice009]

I think you also need to consider that Giannis will probably extend his career a little bit not having to carry a huge load like he is now. That could extend the window to more than 2-3 years. Might extend it to 3-5 , or who knows, more if all goes well health wise and they stay healthy.

 

[LeBowen]

I think you also need to consider that Giannis will probably extend his career a little bit not having to carry a huge load like he is now. That could extend the window to more than 2-3 years. Might extend it to 3-5 , or who knows, more if all goes well health wise and they stay healthy.

Giannis just turned 31, I think he'll be on MVP level for at least 4 more playoffs...if healthy.
Age 31-32-33-34 seems reasonable.
And after that he'll still probably be a solid all-star.

Injuries excluded, MVP level wings and bigs don't decline that much until their mid-late 30s.

 

[mo7888]

Giannis just turned 31, I think he'll be on MVP level for at least 4 more playoffs...if healthy.
Age 31-32-33-34 seems reasonable.
And after that he'll still probably be a solid all-star.

Injuries excluded, MVP level wings and bigs don't decline that much until their mid-late 30s.

If he's MVP level for 4 seasons you make the trade. I'm sticking with 2-3 just based on the fact that he isn't a shooter and his game is built on athleticism.

 

[Shmurs]

biggest issue is that he’s likely going to have continual health issues. If we were getting a durable giannis, then I think I’d be willing to give up a guard. Castle and Harper are fantastic and the culture is strong. But having a historic defense is an actual possible (if not likely) outcome. And there is no playbook, yet, for how to deal with it. Every team in the league will decide that it really f’ing sucks to play the spurs. Vs the reality now, which is that we are unlikely to shoot well enough to get out of the 2nd round this year. …and likely next year.

The longevity of a couple exciting guards is also compelling but you really need to weigh things out.

 

[Sugus]

[Windhorst] There are finished deals on hold and trade progressions on hold because several teams are waiting to see if Giannis Antetokounmpo ultimately asks out of Milwaukee.

He's been pretty outspoken about not requesting a trade, but maybe Wemby "the Whisperer" got to him...?

 

[Exstatic]

[Windhorst] There are finished deals on hold and trade progressions on hold because several teams are waiting to see if Giannis Antetokounmpo ultimately asks out of Milwaukee.

He's been pretty outspoken about not requesting a trade, but maybe Wemby "the Whisperer" got to him...?

Supposedly, post game, Wemby said something to the effect of “nah, we’re good here,bro”. Doesn’t seem like a recruiting pitch to me.

 

[Kick-Stand]

So, with Giannis, I think about the defense, and that excites me quite a bit. So that makes me very interested. I do think about having one of Victor or Giannis on the court at all times, but other than going further than that, I don't think too much about the offensive side of the ball when thinking about this pairing. I just don't know. If he were two or three years younger, I'd seriously consider doing it.
It's just age right now and mortgaging the future that makes it a tough call to make. In theory, it makes the window shorter, but there's no guarantee that it'd be a better window to not do it. Tougher call than a lot of people think it is IMO.
I'm even borderline right now just thinking about it.

With Giannis I think of the 35% max contract on a depreciating talent on the wrong side of 30 who gets hurt a lot. I think of having to say goodbye to not only Harper in trade but also Castle when he's up for extension in two years since now you're paying a 35% deal to Giannis, a 30% deal to Fox, and a 30% deal to Wemby. I think of two alphas who are going to get in each others' way offensively. I think damn I miss this team's former depth and I think how much a failure trading for Durant was for Phoenix.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Supposedly, post game, Wemby said something to the effect of “nah, we’re good here,bro”. Doesn’t seem like a recruiting pitch to me.

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