Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

[Guru of Nothing]

Streaming now, Real Housewives of the Milwaukee Bucks.

 

[rjv]

just hope the bucks send him to ATL or somewhere and all this yapping comes to an end.

 

[LeBowen]

I'm on the fence with Giannis and leaning towards no, but the one scenario I do like is him as a Pippen style point forward, sharing the initiation role with Fox, and pushing Wemby into the role of a more traditional post up guy. Opposing defenses would have to decide who to defend Giannis with, which either takes away a bigger defender, or gives him an easy passing path. We saw Lebron yesterday be effective with 11 assists and no turnovers despite a poor shooting night, and Giannis has never been an unwilling passer.

I don't really see the point of trading for Giannis and reducing his role. You either go all in on him or you don't do it.

 

[spurraider21]

If Wemby's in the dunker spot then Giannis ain't getting to the rim so have him shooting FT line jumpers instead? IDK the fit seems really weird to me when they both love the ball in the high post. The high low pick and roll would be nice but doesn't offset the other concerns IMO. And I do think it's a recipe for more three point line Tragic Johnson plays from Wemby putting the ball on the floor when he's not going to want to get in Giannis' way but still try to force action when he gets touches. I don't like sticking another player in Wemby's spot when Victor on his own probably becomes a more deadly option than Giannis in the high post in another year or two. I really don't like sacrificing Wemby's development and how much he's going to drift out to the three point line to be Super Brook Lopez like @SpursBills said. It's already enough of a problem that needs to be broken, not reinforced.

wemby and giannis both have insane enough length and movement that if wemby is in the dunker spot during a giannis drive, and vic's man moves an inch too far, thats enough room for him to get a lob. or put him in prime position for the easiest putbacks of his life. i think it would work just fine imo

 

[scott]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1997035799825850645

Lol this is the ultimate Modern Dusty Garza moment. He's nothing more than an AI Aggregator at this point, and someone in the national media called him out on it.

 

[PanameSpur]

I see where you are coming from...but Barnes is still a B-level (if not C-level) player.

Giannis (when healthy) is an A++ level player. You don't just throw away chances at getting one of those because one of your B-level players kinda fits in at the moment.

It's not either HB or Giannis, it's Barnes AND a multitude of reasons.

31yo injury prone with a game based on his athleticism (Just imagine our conservative FO with his constant muscle injuries...)
Ball dominant when it's not compatible with the type of ball sharing game and roster we have
Will have to be max extended in less than a year

And that's not even mentioning the loss of either Castle, Harper or future 1RPs that will be key if we want to maintain regular talent income with this CBA

 

[scott]

other reasons to prefer to trade Castle over Harper...

- 1 year further from a big contract
- the likely package for salary to work would be Castle + Barnes + Keldon... Giannis slots in at the 4, and then you probably want Vassell/Champagnie as your starters. I'd rather have Harper off the bench behind Fox than Castle, and you'd REALLY need shooting from your G/F types, as opposed to what Castle brings

then you have a starting 5 of Fox, Vassell, Champagnie, Giannis, Wemby
and a bench unit of Harper, Waters, Bryant, Olynyk, Kornet

and you have all those guys other than Waters/Olynyk locked up for net season as well, and only Champagnie coming off the books the year after that

i just think keeping harper makes more sense there than Castle by a smidge

again, i think this is a very high risk move, and a package where the best piece is Castle is probably going to require 5 firsts or so lol

I don't want this... and I specially don't want to lose Castle, Barnes or Keldog... but this is the most well reasoned approach I've seen.

Can we stick to only posting terrible ideas just in case Brian Wright has an alt? We don't want any half decent ideas entering the picture.

 

[scott]

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst Pivots From Giannis Antetokounmpo Update

Brian Windhorst backtracked Thursday on his own reporting about Giannis Antetokounmpo’s future.

sports.yahoo.com

@scott close this fucking thread. It's all a fucking farce. Might as well start a thread that claims Wemby wants to be traded to the San Antonio FC

Thank the lawd

 

[scott]

Another reason to not trade for Giannis:

He's been a 10+ FTA/100 guy (and more like a 15 FTA/100) for a very long time. How effective will be when that gets cut in half by virtue of playing on the Spurs?

 

[Dex]

Another reason to not trade for Giannis:

He's been a 10+ FTA/100 guy (and more like a 15 FTA/100) for a very long time. How effective will be when that gets cut in half by virtue of playing on the Spurs?

The Milwaukee Bucks aren't necessarily league darlings either....

 

[jeebus]

Thank the lawd

ESPN making up shit to generate clicks and views. shouldn't be surprised by this garbage.

 

[Exstatic]

I'm reminded that Sam Presti is a genius.

Only because Kawhi is an asshole, and forced the trade for PG. Imagine OKC minus Jalen and SGA.

 

[LeBowen]

Only because Kawhi is an asshole, and forced the trade for PG. Imagine OKC minus Jalen and SGA.

He still did an amazing job to make that trade happen.
Got Oladipo+Sabonis for Ibaka, flipped them into prime PG after one season.

 

[Neuromancer]

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst Pivots From Giannis Antetokounmpo Update

Brian Windhorst backtracked Thursday on his own reporting about Giannis Antetokounmpo’s future.

sports.yahoo.com

@scott close this fucking thread. It's all a fucking farce. Might as well start a thread that claims Wemby wants to be traded to the San Antonio FC

Idk, Giannis has always struck me as one of those fake dudes who pretends to be all about his franchise publicly while being a diva behind the scenes. This article kinda reads that way. Like oh HE hasn't said he wants out his agent is just talking with management about his future...we can read between the lines.

Giannis wants out but he doesn't want to actually say it. He doesn't want to be seen negatively by the Bucks fan base so he's playing this little "agent is discussing the teams future with Giannis" bullshit game to make it sound like he's not bolting but I don't buy it. I think he wanted out in the summer and the Bucks can't find anyone to give them a fair offer yet

 

[JJSPUR]

Giannis wants to go to a contender, who doesn't want to be on a contender? What is that team going to have left after all their valuable pieces and several #1 picks are traded to the Bucks for one player ? Giannis is a great player, but he is on the wrong side of 30, is starting to get injury prone, and has a huge salary to boot. We went through 5 years of being an NBA cellar dweller and we have finally put together a decent team with loads of potential, lets not mess this up for a disgruntled player. Individually great player -yes, makes your team a championship contender, I'm not so sure about that, just look where thee Bucks are. Two thumbs down on this trade.

 

[Spurminator]

Bucks coulda had Luka, smh

 

[Spurminator]

Power of Friendship stock is looking pretty strong right now.

 

[Kick-Stand]

wemby and giannis both have insane enough length and movement that if wemby is in the dunker spot during a giannis drive, and vic's man moves an inch too far, thats enough room for him to get a lob. or put him in prime position for the easiest putbacks of his life. i think it would work just fine imo

It's still sacrificing development on Victor. I'd rather be building him to be offensive option #1 since he has higher upside than what Giannis has realized (which is def 100% of his upside). It's not that I don't love Giannis, but Vic is too ridiculous a prospect to take a seat behind anyone.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Also, this current stretch has proven that Wemby won't have to do it all by himself.

Nah it’s good for regular season but we aren’t title contenders without Wemby. If Wemby were hurt we would still be title contenders

Also signing his brother as the 18th man isn’t really baggage

 

[DTW]

If and when, everything seems aligned for the Hawks, in a package for Young, Risacher and picks, with Young possibly going to a third team for more futures.

If the Cavaliers could figure out their second apron issue first, I wonder if they'd be a dark horse with Garland, Allen and picks. The Bucks could then shop Turner for more futures.

The Spurs could obviously beat any offer because they can start a package with the most valuable currency, which is young, big offensive initiator with All-NBA potential. But as is being discussed, it makes no sense to shorten the window and trade a player who might be able to helm another contention window if a doomsday scenario strikes with Wembanyama.

Also don't see Wembanyama/Spurs wanting him reduced to floor spacer or Antetokounmpo wanting to be in West, share and eventually cede spotlight to a big poised to usurp him.

There's a reason you almost never see (super)star bigs team up and its because even those with guard skills will be the secondary ball handler, so whichever isn't the primary screen setter would be reduced to finisher (stretch, rim runner, dunker spot) in some capacity.

 

[spurraider21]

It's still sacrificing development on Victor. I'd rather be building him to be offensive option #1 since he has higher upside than what Giannis has realized (which is def 100% of his upside). It's not that I don't love Giannis, but Vic is too ridiculous a prospect to take a seat behind anyone.

even if their offense is not 100% optimized together, i think you take a 75% efficiency there in exchange for their defense. its like duncan/robinson. were they necessarily the ideal offensive pairing... nah. but the defense was absurd and their offensive skill found a way to make it work enough

 

[Kick-Stand]

even if their offense is not 100% optimized together, i think you take a 75% efficiency there in exchange for their defense. its like duncan/robinson. were they necessarily the ideal offensive pairing... nah. but the defense was absurd and their offensive skill found a way to make it work enough

It worked because David took a big backseat offensively. I don't want Victor taking that backseat when I believe he can develop into a better offensive player than Giannis. I want a fully realized Victor, not a 75% of what he could have been Victor. Would much rather play the long game than try to be about short term success.

 

[Quentin_Compson]

Saying you don't want to trade for Giannis if you have to give up Harrison Barnes is fucking hilarious.
Castle would be the most likely candidate from the young players pool in a Spurs offer, I guess. He has pedigree as a ROY and he is still a potentially somewhat iffy fit with the Spurs if his shot doesn't come along.
I don't know if the OKC scenarios are really that realistic. If you are Milwaukee, you should and will ask for one of Chet or J-Dub - would the Thunder do that? Should they?

Fascinating thing though, a two-time MVP, DPOY and Finals MVP probably becoming available like that.

 

[Quentin_Compson]

It worked because David took a big backseat offensively. I don't want Victor taking that backseat when I believe he can develop into a better offensive player than Giannis. I want a fully realized Victor, not a 75% of what he could have been Victor. Would much rather play the long game than try to be about short term success.

How long do you think Giannis would be in San Antonio? His current contract ends in 2028 with the last year being a player option. Victor turns 24 in 2028.

 

[scott]

Saying you don't want to trade for Giannis if you have to give up Harrison Barnes is fucking hilarious.
Castle would be the most likely candidate from the young players pool in a Spurs offer, I guess. He has pedigree as a ROY and he is still a potentially somewhat iffy fit with the Spurs if his shot doesn't come along.
I don't know if the OKC scenarios are really that realistic. If you are Milwaukee, you should and will ask for one of Chet or J-Dub - would the Thunder do that? Should they?

Fascinating thing though, a two-time MVP, DPOY and Finals MVP probably becoming available like that.

MIL should ask for both. However, this would have to be an offseason thing, wouldn't it? Same boat as Paolo, they are poison pilled because their extensions haven't kicked in.

But should the Thunder do that? Of course not. The Thunder have a good chance of setting the NBA record for wins this year. They are defending champs with a young core. They have high picks still incoming... and don't forget they have Sorber who will eventually add depth. Will Topic recover from ball cancer? If he does... there is more high level depth. They have guys like Queso who they should probably S&T this summer or next to reload the pick pantry. Same with Jaylin Williams, but he's cost controlled for awhile.

Wiggins, Joe and Ajay are other guys who they can and should probably flip to refill the pick pantry at some point as well once they near the end of their deals.

They just got a free gift of Jalen Williams missing enough games to lock him into the 25% max instead of the 30% max. Caruso is on a pretty manageable extension... iHart they should probably flip this summer while they can, and it will be easy to do if Sorber's recovery is on track.

It cannot be overstated how either by luck, genius or a combination of both, Sam Presti has set this team up for sustained success as well as imaginable in this era of Cap Economics.

Some folks were talking about how they'd be forced to shed talent, but they really aren't. They are built around 3 guys, and they have perfectly set things up to continually reload around them. And they have used SRPs to actually add real players, and not just punt them into outer space. Hopefully Wright is paying attention on that front.

Dammit its so frustrating