Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

[DAF86]

That's my biggest concern about the purposed trade (non-shooter). If we trade Castle for Giannis we still need more shooting at the 2 and 3. Giannis wouldn't be the final piece.

Fox, Vassell, Barnes, Giannis, Wemby

Harper, Champ, Keldon, Olynyk/Bryant, Kornet

That's enough shooting, imho. It is, at least, as much shooting as we have right now and we seem to be doing quite ok on that aspect of the game.

 

[ginobilized]

I'm definitely out on this idea. I'd hate to give up on the Castle/Harper/Fox backcourt and the Greek Freak's health is probably not getting better. I can't imagine not giving up at least one of Castle or Harper. Which one would the Bucks want and which one do the Spurs let go? It's a real conundrum. How do we reload even if we win a championship? The idea of taking the family pack meal deal with his crappy brother is very unappetizing.

It will be fascinating to see where and how this all goes. There are a lot of fractals and angles.

 

[CrustyCoastBendFan]

FYI, if this thread threatens 100 pages I will lock it. I will not have BB be responsible for fucking our future.

What am I missing here about Giannis?

- Highly talented highlight ATHLETE (Freak) with an impressive peak, earned a championship ring YEARS AGO.
- Following success, HE GETS two head coaches dismissed; currently seems fine with the present coach, Doc Rivers. DOCK FUCKING RIVERS!!!!
- TO KEEP GIANNIS HAPPY. Traded a proven championship-contending point guard for another high-profile “Dame Time” point guard with no titles. Who subsequently SUX and GETS a CAREER ending Injury.
- Former point guard quickly revitalized another franchise and secured another championship.
-Now that PG and the DAME TIME PG are on the Same team which is having a surprise upsurge in wins
- Team committed to multi-million-dollar contracts for his brothers over a decade, with possible additional consulting fees to associates.
- Now over 30, experiencing physical decline; athleticism was his defining strength, not fundamental skill.
- Current trade speculation fueled by analysts and media personalities, generating extensive discussion. AKA SLOAN COFFERNCE NERDS with SKETCHY MEDIA CREDENTIALS and an X account PLAYING AROUND with NBA TRADE MACHINE.
-Not to mention all the assets the team gave up accommodating this guy. Or the assets the spurs are expected to give up GETTING this DEPRECIATING ASSET.

Why would any intelligent person trade equity for a depreciating asset, especially before we even get to see a well-calculated plan have a chance to come together?

Oh well I guess we'll be gifted with a 100 page BB thread aka NBA FAN FICTION...

 

[Exstatic]

I may well be misremembering.
But i thought he was ID'd as the ex Spurs Report dude who reportedly took over ST.

He’s definitely the Spurs Report guy, but he had a MAJOR falling out with Kori and LJ, and i doubt they would have sold or given the site to him.

 

[Ice009]

I'm definitely out on this idea. I'd hate to give up on the Castle/Harper/Fox backcourt and the Greek Freak's health is probably not getting better. I can't imagine not giving up at least one of Castle or Harper. Which one would the Bucks want and which one do the Spurs let go? It's a real conundrum. How do we reload even if we win a championship? The idea of taking the family pack meal deal with his crappy brother is very unappetizing.

It will be fascinating to see where and how this all goes. There are a lot of fractals and angles.

Another thing about his health, I didn't really want to bring this up and/or don't want to accuse him of anything, but how did he get all that muscle compared to his rookie year? Has he done it legitimately, or has he used some substances that could cause him health issues down the line? I'd be a bit worried about his health going forward (could it have a detrimental affect) if he's used steroids or that kind of stuff to get his physique.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

He’s definitely the Spurs Report guy, but he had a MAJOR falling out with Kori and LJ, and i doubt they would have sold or given the site to him.

Wasn't there some Australian guy who started a message board first, I think he went by Hoffy? I recall thinking that web site sucked on dial up and that I was plenty good with usenet.

 

[DAF86]

Let's say we trade Castle for Giannis, how does the extensions of Fox and Giannis line up with Harper's extension?

My first reaction is to not trade Castle+ a bunch of firsts for a 31 year old, but man, that Wemby-Giannis duo would be filthy on defense and the team in general would fit so well. Ringing at least once in the next 4 years should almost be a given.

I'm asking because, if the Spurs time this right, they could be increasing Wemby's window by a lot.

If you trade for Giannis you become an instant contender, with a high chance of ringing at least once in the next 4 years.

And once the Harper extension kicks in, you start to plan around the Wemby/Harper duo. You might get Fox and Giannis to extend for home friendly deals, if not, you can always trade them and get value in return. I don't know why folks are acting as if trading for Giannis would be this highly restricting move.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm asking because, if the Spurs time this right, they could be increasing Wemby's window by a lot.

If you trade for Giannis you become an instant contender, with a high chance of ringing at least once in the next 4 years.

And once the Harper extension kicks in, you start to plan around the Wemby/Harper duo. You might get Fox and Giannis to extend for home friendly deals, if not, you can always trade them and get value in return. I don't know why folks are acting as if trading for Giannis would be this highly restricting move.

I think Castle and Giannis contract expiration/extensions align. I still would't do it if I'm the Spurs, and especially not if I'm the Bucks.

 

[Kick-Stand]

I'm asking because, if the Spurs time this right, they could be increasing Wemby's window by a lot.

If you trade for Giannis you become an instant contender, with a high chance of ringing at least once in the next 4 years.

And once the Harper extension kicks in, you start to plan around the Wemby/Harper duo. You might get Fox and Giannis to extend for home friendly deals, if not, you can always trade them and get value in return. I don't know why folks are acting as if trading for Giannis would be this highly restricting move.

I think you have a pretty high chance of ringing in the next four years with this current core.

 

[PanameSpur]

Texas don't have wifi or something

Texas don't have airports

Maybe he worried about ICE deporting his family if they fly in

Bro take your time before answering... Ever heard of time zones?

I specifically said "communication with his kids" = Texas is a few hours later from Greece than NY (8h vs 6h ircc) if they want to COMMUNICATE

 

[mo7888]

As usual, people are lagging behind with their narratives. The “we need another shooter” idea was said because people didn’t think Fox, Harper (Castle will soon get there, too) would be threats from deep. Well, that opinion should be updated now. They are good shooters and are becoming better. The lineup doesn’t need to compensate for anything as people previously thought.

Also, Wemby is a shooter (or at least badly wants to be one) and you have to take that into account.

I think it narrows down to concern about Castle becoming a good outside shooter. If you think he'll get there you have one opinion, if you think he won't then you'll view him differently.

 

[mo7888]

Fox, Vassell, Barnes, Giannis, Wemby

Harper, Champ, Keldon, Olynyk/Bryant, Kornet

That's enough shooting, imho. It is, at least, as much shooting as we have right now and we seem to be doing quite ok on that aspect of the game.

I don't think you can keep all those guys and still match salary to get the deal done.

 

[Davidicus]

FYI, if this thread threatens 100 pages I will lock it. I will not have BB be responsible for fucking our future.

We are evolving as a species

 

[Kick-Stand]

I don't think you can keep all those guys and still match salary to get the deal done.

Yeah you need to send out Olynyk and one of Vassell / Keldon / HB to have much hope of hitting matching salaries.

This is as close as you're getting without giving up Harper, Vassell, Barnes, or Keldon

 

[inagra]

FYI, if this thread threatens 100 pages I will lock it. I will not have BB be responsible for fucking our future.

7 pages in less than 12 hours.
It’s threatening it….

 

[tim_duncan_fan]

What am I missing here about Giannis?

- Highly talented highlight ATHLETE (Freak) with an impressive peak, earned a championship ring YEARS AGO.
- Following success, HE GETS two head coaches dismissed; currently seems fine with the present coach, Doc Rivers. DOCK FUCKING RIVERS!!!!
- TO KEEP GIANNIS HAPPY. Traded a proven championship-contending point guard for another high-profile “Dame Time” point guard with no titles. Who subsequently SUX and GETS a CAREER ending Injury.
- Former point guard quickly revitalized another franchise and secured another championship.
-Now that PG and the DAME TIME PG are on the Same team which is having a surprise upsurge in wins
- Team committed to multi-million-dollar contracts for his brothers over a decade, with possible additional consulting fees to associates.
- Now over 30, experiencing physical decline; athleticism was his defining strength, not fundamental skill.
- Current trade speculation fueled by analysts and media personalities, generating extensive discussion. AKA SLOAN COFFERNCE NERDS with SKETCHY MEDIA CREDENTIALS and an X account PLAYING AROUND with NBA TRADE MACHINE.
-Not to mention all the assets the team gave up accommodating this guy. Or the assets the spurs are expected to give up GETTING this DEPRECIATING ASSET.

Why would any intelligent person trade equity for a depreciating asset, especially before we even get to see a well-calculated plan have a chance to come together?

Oh well I guess we'll be gifted with a 100 page BB thread aka NBA FAN FICTION...

This is where I am at.

Further, he's not enough of a force in and of himself, as far as ACTUAL RESULTS, for all the assets we would have to give up to get him. He doesn't automatically make his own team a conference contender, and I don't like that.


It looks like the guys and the young coach are starting to learn how to get victories with what we have, and we still have not seen the actual complete team. I want to see the main core of this Spurs team get it done.

Giannis is a great player, but adding him for the sake of hype-beast and media capitulation is lame. I'd rather keep pounding the rock, and I am frankly more interested in watching them pound the rock.

Of course a team has a good chance at a championship when it buys lots of players who are MVPs. That's not even that big of an accomplishment, and I want the team to win with players who have built up a level of mythology with the Spurs.

Even if we traded for Giannis and then we immediately won a championship...he's still a Buck in the grand mythos of the NBA. The last couple lines are probably corny, less-than-logical thinking, but I don't care. Like....KD on the Warriors?? Hell...KD on the Rockets? That shit is lame.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Wemby, Harper, Castle is Tim, Tony, Manu all over again. 15 year run. In hindsight it was good that we didn't trade Tony for Jason Kidd.

 

[spursistan]

I don't know man, this is is eerily mirroring the circumstances of Doncic in this way: a calf injury greasing the wheels of the trade machine resulting in what our @Robz4000 called a shit sandwich (KAT and a couple late 20s picks) in return for Top 3 player landing in the biggest market of the nation

Feel bad for Bucks fans.. The vultures (Nike, Adam Silver, ESPN etc) are circling over their wounded franchise trying to steer the carcass to New York in next few weeks.

 

[CGD]

Interesting nugget in here about the Giannis camp being motivated to get this done by the Feb deadline because of the implications for his extension in October. Not sure I fully get it, but the topline is that there appears to be real incentive by the player to move now.

 

[mo7888]

Interesting nugget in here about the Giannis camp being motivated to get this done by the Feb deadline because of the implications for his extension in October. Not sure I fully get it, but the topline is that there appears to be real incentive by the player to move now.

Don't take this as gospel, but I think he can't sign the extension with a new team until 6 months after he's traded...so that's the motivation..

 

[spursistan]

Real talk: if you are the Bucks org, and assuming the other teams (SA. HOU, OKC) with coveted assets are not interested in messing up what they've going, how would you not to try hard and talk Giannis into Atlanta as the most mutually beneficial landing spot for both of you?

That Pelicans pick is by far the juiciest draft asset available in the market. That should be Bucks number 1 priority in a potential haul; take flyer on Risacher maybe turning into something, take and reroute Trae for more draft capital from team willing to extend him..The Hawks, unfortunately for us, is the most logical Giannis trade destination

 

[DaSlicer]

This is where I am at.

Further, he's not enough of a force in and of himself, as far as ACTUAL RESULTS, for all the assets we would have to give up to get him. He doesn't automatically make his own team a conference contender, and I don't like that.


It looks like the guys and the young coach are starting to learn how to get victories with what we have, and we still have not seen the actual complete team. I want to see the main core of this Spurs team get it done.

Giannis is a great player, but adding him for the sake of hype-beast and media capitulation is lame. I'd rather keep pounding the rock, and I am frankly more interested in watching them pound the rock.

Of course a team has a good chance at a championship when it buys lots of players who are MVPs. That's not even that big of an accomplishment, and I want the team to win with players who have built up a level of mythology with the Spurs.

Even if we traded for Giannis and then we immediately won a championship...he's still a Buck in the grand mythos of the NBA. The last couple lines are probably corny, less-than-logical thinking, but I don't care. Like....KD on the Warriors?? Hell...KD on the Rockets? That shit is lame.

That's exactly how I feel. I want to see this young trio of Victor-Castle-Harper grow together much like we got to see Tim-Tony-Manu. Going on a long journey is much more fun than a short abrupt one.

 

[mo7888]

Real talk: if you are the Bucks org, and assuming the other teams (SA. HOU, OKC) with coveted assets are not interested in messing up what they've going, how would not to try hard and talk Giannis into Atlanta as the most mutually beneficial landing spot for both of you?

That Pelicans pick is by far the juiciest draft asset available in the market. That should be Bucks number 1 priority in a potential haul; take flyer on Risacher maybe turning into something, take and reroute Trae for more draft capital from team willing to extend him..The Hawks, unfortunately for us, is the most logical Giannis trade destination

That's exactly what Milwaukee 'should' do...

 

[jeebus]

This thread reeks of spurstalk.

 

[CGD]

Real talk: if you are the Bucks org, and assuming the other teams (SA. HOU, OKC) with coveted assets are not interested in messing up what they've going, how would not to try hard and talk Giannis into Atlanta as the most mutually beneficial landing spot for both of you?

That Pelicans pick is by far the juiciest draft asset available in the market. That should be Bucks number 1 priority in a potential haul; take flyer on Risacher maybe turning into something, take and reroute Trae for more draft capital from team willing to extend him..The Hawks, unfortunately for us, is the most logical Giannis trade destination

Agree, but I also think ATL will want to see what comes of that pick. Peterson would instantly complete their team for example.

The other issue is i dont think MIL wants Trae Young. As bizzare as it sounds, I think even Dev has more of a market than him right now. Those pending extension talks seem painful.