Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

[spursparker9]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1996560741294555241

Breaking up current team chemistry and future FRP for 31 years old Greek Freak (and his brothers) who does not seem to be healthy in the past 4 playoffs after he won his ring in 2021?

 

[OK Computer]

David Robinson and Tim Duncan had an age gap of 11 years. If he’s Wemby’s idol, you do it. Getting the first championship is always the hardest. Giannis will help with that.

 

[ffadicted]

Obv hard to say no to this, but what does a package even look like? Every pick we have + Sochan + what? Given spurs culture I just can't see them turning around and trading Fox at this point, it's just not in their DNA.

 

[100%Duncan]

Oh damn

 

[LeBowen]

Dusty at it again.

As I wrote yesterday, I'd be willing to bet my house Wright has zero interest in this.
Why?

1. Wemby isn't healthy. We can't risk trading away our future before Wemby can prove he can last an entire season and more importantly the playoffs without getting injured. That would be just a Bucks 2.0 situation.
2. Giannis isn't healthy. He's turning 31 on Saturday and got injured again last night. And it's been a recurring thing.
3. Bucks have no reason to accept a lowball, which means the team that trades for Giannis will have to give up their best young player(s), no other way around it.
4. That would mean at least one of Castle/Harper is gone. If not both. Alongside all of our useful picks because we have only one per draft. All those would get traded or swapped. Combined with first two points it's a huge risk to take.
5. Even if it was the right move to make from basketball standpoint, Spurs wouldn't do their young players like that. Yes, George Hill got traded, but it didn't happen mid-season, he got traded to his hometown team that also happened to be one of the best teams in the league. Spurs wouldn't dump Castle like that after investing so much into drafting and developing him.
6. The Thanasis question. Obviously nowhere near uncle Dennis level, but I doubt Spurs would want to engage into wasting a roster spot on an emotional support animal for Giannis.
7. Coaching question. Mitch has been doing well, but if we get Giannis every season without a ring would be a failure. Completely different environment to work in. I don't think Spurs would've given him the job if they had any interest in Giannis.
8. Giannis extension question. He'd surely want more contract security and would opt out of his final year for 27-28 season. Meaning both him and Wemby would start their new deals in the same summer, meaning either Fox would have to go or we'd have a big3 with bare bones supporting cast.

The way I see it, our current and future roster situation is perfect...if Spurs believe in their player development. Everyone talks about wanting to copy Presti. Well, he stayed patient and didn't bite when all those stars became available and now he's got by far the best situation in the league. We're 7-2 without Wemby and Castle, there's absolutely no reason to disrupt it even if that "disruption" is called Giannis.

 

[Ice009]

Darn, I really didn't think Spurs would have ANY interest in this. If they do (and Dusty makes it seem like they have more than a little bit), then I'm very suprised. And now Giannis getting hurt, that's also another factor.

For me personally, age is a factor. For example, if he was 27 or so, I'd be very, very interested, but breaking up what is looking like a beautiful young core, I'm not sure about this.

 

[Neuromancer]

If Giannis were 5 years younger it's a no brainer. At this stage, no thanks. The price will be high and acquiring Giannis doesn't even make is the favorite over OKC. Pass

 

[mo7888]

I don't think i agree with 3 or 4 fully, I think the leverage Giannis has will lower acquisition cost considerably. That said, I think every other point you made is a reason for serious concern. It's also why I don't think it's very likely to happen. I enjoy looking at trade proposals (and I'll probably participate in that conjecture more), but it's hard to squint hard enough to really see it happening.
I think the better odds of something would be us playing hardball with a team he covets and getting a piece that really fits. That's where our trade proposals should be focused. I just can't put my finger on who that team is.

 

[LeBowen]

I don't think i agree with 3 or 4 fully, I think the leverage Giannis has will lower acquisition cost considerably.

The thing is that we don't really have any top tier picks.
Hawks have Pelicans and Bucks picks.
Thunder obviously have the Clippers picks.
Rockets have Suns picks.

What do we have? Mavs, Celtics, Timberwolves and Kings swaps that are too far into the future to be a guarantee of anything.
If I was the Bucks GM I don't even pick up the phone without Castle, Bryant and all all the picks we can trade.

It's more likely we get on this as a third team and try to get a high end role player or two from the trade.

 

[spursfanfromafar]

We need to surround Wemby with playmakers and shooters for him to be most effective. We have already got three outstanding playmakers in Fox, Harper and Castle who are all passing excellent metrics relative to their careers. Our shooters - Barnes, Champagnie and Vassell are carrying our team when Wemby has been injured and are showing peak role player potential. Our other key role player - Keldon Johnson has found his niche as a paint wrecker and energy guy and he seems to be the most liked Spur on the team, willing the youngins and the older guys into playing together to win. What we lack is a surefire PF who can be a stretchable big and also have chemistry with Wemby. The only player in the league who is a perfect fit there is Lauri Markkanen, but who is too expensive and is not worth trading for with the talent we have.

Giannis is a top 4 player in the league but I dont think he is a perfect fit with Wemby. Both are similar in the way they play on offense, while Giannis is more versatile on defense and Wemby is the best defensive big / player in the league. I dont think that a Giannis trade which will mean that we will give up on our young talent plus at least one veteran plus future picks will bring the Spurs close to contending against OKC. The Spurs must be patient and wait for a better opportunity to get a shooting big to replace Sochan and eventually replace Barnes. Otherwise as they are constructed and as they are progressing on their trajectory so far..they should stay pat and not run after shiny objects like Giannis.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

No.

 

[mo7888]

The thing is that we don't really have any top tier picks.
Hawks have Pelicans and Bucks picks.
Thunder obviously have the Clippers picks.
Rockets have Suns picks.

What do we have? Mavs, Celtics, Timberwolves and Kings swaps that are too far into the future to be a guarantee of anything.
If I was the Bucks GM I don't even pick up the phone without Castle, Bryant and all all the picks we can trade.

It's more likely we get on this as a third team and try to get a high end role player or two from the trade.

Okc isn't going to be interested. Maybe Houston, but who else that he'll want to go to has better picks?

 

[Guru of Nothing]

Milwaukee REALLY needs to be dealing with the Hawks and targeting that Pelicans pick. Having two potential lottery picks in next year's draft (Milwaukee's own and Pelicans) plus assets is a good as it can get for Milwaukee, and frankly it's not that bad. Make a deal and Milwaukee fans can go into hope mode immediately.

 

[LeBowen]

Okc isn't going to be interested. Maybe Houston, but who else that he'll want to go to has better picks?

Hawks have top tier picks and young players to trade.
Nets have a ton of picks and clean cap situation, but that would have to wait until the next summer.
Magic can offer Banchero.
Trailblazers have Bucks picks from Lillard trade and a lot of young players.
Jazz obviously have a lot of picks and could offer Bailey+Kessler.

Knicks and Heat don't have shit.

Spurs could offer '27 ATL, '29 SAS, '31 SAS/SAC and how does adding a swap to already swapped picks go? For example we have '30 best of DAL/SAS, can we include MIL so they get the best of those three picks and we get the second best?

 

[mo7888]

Hawks have top tier picks and young players to trade.
Nets have a ton of picks and clean cap situation, but that would have to wait until the next summer.
Magic can offer Banchero.
Trailblazers have Bucks picks from Lillard trade and a lot of young players.
Jazz obviously have a lot of picks and could offer Bailey+Kessler.

Knicks and Heat don't have shit.

Spurs could offer '27 ATL, '29 SAS, '31 SAS/SAC and how does adding a swap to already swapped picks go? For example we have '30 best of DAL/SAS, can we include MIL so they get the best of those three picks and we get the second best?

Yes, but you're talking about teams he's got no interest in. He's not going to a gutted Atlanta team, he's not going to play with Lillard again, and Utah won't be on his list. This thing has nothing to do with what assets a team has, it has everything to do with what team Giannis chooses. Like you said, the Knicks don't have shit to offer compared to those teams, but they have a much better shot of getting him if he chooses them.

 

[LeBowen]

Yes, but you're talking about teams he's got no interest in. He's not going to a gutted Atlanta team, he's not going to play with Lillard again, and Utah won't be on his list. This thing has nothing to do with what assets a team has, it has everything to do with what team Giannis chooses. Like you said, the Knicks don't have shit to offer compared to those teams, but they have a much better shot of getting him if he chooses them.

Tbh, we have no clue what his interests are.
It's probably going to NY, if I had to guess.
Hawks wouldn't be gutted if they offer Jalen Johnson, Pelicans and Bucks picks. That's an offer noone other than the Thunder can beat.

If it's indeed the Knicks that are trying to get him, I'd try to get involved in that trade by effectively sending Olynyk, Sochan and '26 SAS/ATL to the Bucks for Josh Hart.
Anunoby's contract is too big for us, he'll be going elsewhere.

 

[timtonymanu]

“Hey De’Aaron. Thanks for leading this team while Victor and Steph are healing from their injuries. By the way, we’re trading you to the Bucks.”

Yeah seem like something the Spurs would do

 

[CrustyCoastBendFan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1996560741294555241

Breaking up current team chemistry and future FRP for 31 years old Greek Freak (and his brothers) who does not seem to be healthy in the past 4 playoffs after he won his ring in 2021?

So, some random reporter with zero ties to the Spurs tweets about what a bunch of alleged “executives” from other teams supposedly think would be the dream destination for this currently sidelined diva. Then a local reporter, Dusty Garza—who’s somehow even further out of the loop—piles onto that wild guess. Now, the whole click-chasing crowd is flapping around like seagulls at a french fry festival.

 

[Fabbs]

Dusty at it again.

The same Dusty that took over / runs ST?
And still posts Timvp / Kori game articles?

 

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm starting to sense that we're going to see a massive multi-team deal because of all the obvious deals that need to be made - Trae, Ja, Paulo, Giannis, and AD (edited - and LaMelo). Boston HAS to deal this season too, or face severe apron penalties. << The letter 'a' in "apron" doing some heavy lifting. The Jazz could probably stand to get in on some realignment too.

The NBA should schedule an impromptu FO meeting in Vegas during the Cup where reps from all teams gather in a smoke-filled room and hammer out all the deals. Not you Clippers; there's nothing here for you.

 

[mo7888]

Tbh, we have no clue what his interests are.
It's probably going to NY, if I had to guess.
Hawks wouldn't be gutted if they offer Jalen Johnson, Pelicans and Bucks picks. That's an offer noone other than the Thunder can beat.

If it's indeed the Knicks that are trying to get him, I'd try to get involved in that trade by effectively sending Olynyk, Sochan and '26 SAS/ATL to the Bucks for Josh Hart.
Anunoby's contract is too big for us, he'll be going elsewhere.

We can easily deduce that he's not going to a team he doesn't think can compete post-trade, which rules out those I mentioned. I didn't include Houston because they should be viable post-trade and have the assets to get it done. I'd guess, Houston, Miami, and NY would be on his list (but its just a guess) along with us. I doubt we're interested unless Milwaukee really wants a crap sandwich. As for NY, I'm not really a Josh Hart fan, but he's the only thing there that makes sense for us. Miami i think is more interesting from the perspective of sliding in as a 3rd team.

 

[timtonymanu]

The same Dusty that took over / runs ST?
And still posts Timvp / Kori game articles?

ST is down again. He needs something else to do.

 

[mo7888]

The same Dusty that took over / runs ST?
And still posts Timvp / Kori game articles?

Wait.. what? Is that true and, if so, how did i miss it....

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I just hope he stays in the Eastern conference. The west is tough enough as it is. I'd only trade for Giannis if we keep Wemby/Fox/Castle/Harper and they take some garbage package. Other than that, get me a starting caliber 3-and-D forward for Sochan and Olynyk and this team is a contender right now.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

We can easily deduce that he's not going to a team he doesn't think can compete post-trade, which rules out those I mentioned. I didn't include Houston because they should be viable post-trade and have the assets to get it done. I'd guess, Houston, Miami, and NY would be on his list (but its just a guess) along with us. I doubt we're interested unless Milwaukee really wants a crap sandwich. As for NY, I'm not really a Josh Hart fan, but he's the only thing there that makes sense for us. Miami i think is more interesting from the perspective of sliding in as a 3rd team.

I'd say Bridges is the one player who makes the most sense and is on a reasonable contract. We won't get him though cause they paid like 4 or 5 firsts to get him.