Fox for KD and two first rounders ?

[poopbox]

Doable and realistic are two different things.

Spurs would never turn around and deal a star player who was practically begging to come to San Antonio after 20 games, 17 of which he was playing with an injured hand...unless Nico somehow gets hired by the Lakers and comes offering a new Luka package or something like that. This would set a terrible precedent for future free agents or interested players.

They'll see what they have this season and go from there. Spur aren't trading Fox and Houston sure as hell isn't trading KD, so this hypothetical is silly to even talk about.

Finally someone understands real life isn't nba2k and that there are human and social elements to trades you don't just trade a guy who is an 86 overall for a 89 overall and say you won the trade.

 

[PanameSpur]

Doable and realistic are two different things.

Spurs would never turn around and deal a star player who was practically begging to come to San Antonio after 20 games, 17 of which he was playing with an injured hand...unless Nico somehow gets hired by the Lakers and comes offering a new Luka package or something like that. This would set a terrible precedent for future free agents or interested players.

They'll see what they have this season and go from there. Spur aren't trading Fox and Houston sure as hell isn't trading KD, so this hypothetical is silly to even talk about.

It doesn't have to be as if the Spurs were getting rid of him but more finding a better solution for both parties.

Especially if Castle keep progressing at this impressive trend and Harper looming around.

Could Fox be the one who's the most motivated by a move?

If PATFO is smart that's the way things should happen, when you want an employee to leave, the best is often to give him fewer hours or tasks rather than firing him.

Quid if Fox's role and importance diminishes? Castle already looks like the alpha out there...

 

[PanameSpur]

Don't think the spurs will find a Suns level sucker to take Fox if it got to that point though. We've already fleeced the Hawks, Bulls, and Kings. Pretty sure teams are on their guard against the Spurs.

I remember the story about that Beal trade being "wow the wizards actually made a good trade that has not happened pretty much ever".

I agree on the league's perception and reluctance to deal with the Spurs.

That's why they need to try to do it asap while the optics are in our favor because everybody know the Spurs might not have traded for Fox had they known they'd get Harper.

The optics could be the spurs are being pragmatic, having 2 younger prospects at the same position.

If we wait, the rest of the league might suspect Spurs know Fox is done or not worth his contract.

 

[Exstatic]

It doesn't have to be as if the Spurs were getting rid of him but more finding a better solution for both parties.

Especially if Castle keep progressing at this impressive trend and Harper looming around.

Could Fox be the one who's the most motivated by a move?

If PATFO is smart that's the way things should happen, when you want an employee to leave, the best is often to give him fewer hours or tasks rather than firing him.

Quid if Fox's role and importance diminishes? Castle already looks like the alpha out there...

No All Star player will ever push to come here again if they do this, you have to understand that clearly.

Besides, Fox has played three whole fucking games, and two of them were good. It’s WAY Too soon to be pulling the rip cord.

 

[SpurSpike]

I think alot of you are taking this question the wrong way. Sure it may not be realistic but the question is would you make that trade? According to the poll most of you wouldn't which is strange but ok. For me it's a hell yes. If we get to offload foxes contract and get Durant and 2 1sts it's a no brainer tbh... sure it would never happen but I'd do that trade. I do the trade if it was Fox for Durant straight up. Gets us out of the fox hole contract and wemby gets to play with his idol.

 

[bluebellmaniac]

tbh a Max player earning $60mil per year does not come off the bench

It's who finishes a game, not who starts it.

 

[scott]

Just so we are clear... every team has fans who post threads like this, it's not just the Spurs

 

[Corso]

It's who finishes a game, not who starts it.

Didn't know you were here bluebell. Good to see you.

 

[Dex]

Just so we are clear... every team has fans who post threads like this, it's not just the Spurs

Place would be kinda boring around here without them tbh

 

[SupremeGuy]

Fuck no.

Harper might be a walking injury and Castle isn't a PG unless he's on the floor with Kornet for some reason lol

 

[scott]

Place would be kinda boring around here without them tbh

For as much as we joke around about "Bonner and Blair for your All Star" kind of stuff... those are nothing compared to some of the shit I see on r/NBATradeIdeas. Lakers trades are always the most egregious... but then again, they did get Luka for the rotting corpse of Anthony Davis, so I guess maybe they aren't all that unrealistic.

 

[Arguendo]

Castle the obvious and better PG with Harper eventually coming back as back up pg. Fox redundant and cant shoot the three like we need him to be as a 2 guard paired with Castle who is figuring out his own 3 shot. Fox aint improving his career 33 percent 3 point shooting at this stage of his career.

Rockets have Nets unprotected next year.

I don't think you can even say its clear Castle is a PG. What is clear is he's a great secondary career. I exact him to lead the team in assists, but that doesn't make him a PG. I think the only reason this board/Spurs fans are thinking of him as PG is cuz we needed one when we drafted him. He is much more Jimmy Butler with better creation skills (or more like lob target, like 1/2 of Castle assists are lobs) then he is Cade, Hali, name your PG. For Castle to be a PG is really needs to clean up his game, limit the TOs, be more secure and controlled with the ball, etc. I don't know that we even want that. Manu got to be so dynamic because he did not have to play that controlled when playing next to Tony. Its a different role and I think the team is much likely more dynamic and scary with that TP/Manu = Fox/Castle dynamic. Let Castle play a bit more reckless while he's still learning the NBA ropes. It also frees up more bandwidth to play D, shoulder the fulltime PG burden will almost certainly reduce his D ability. Let someone else handle the new full-court pressure the NBA is doing, someone with a tighter handle, and just let Castle cook.

And since it seems you want to use a 3 game sample size (more likely crazily over-reaction to 1 bad game) Castle avg 5 full TOs vs 6.6 Ast per game in his 8 games without Fox and only 1.6TOs vs 11.3 Ast playing next to Fox.
Some PGs create lots of assists, and some non-PGs create a lot of assists.
To me its pretty clear Fox helps Castle and Castle plays better with him. Fox adds gravity, Fox requires a ton of D attention. Having Fox + Castle + Wemby on the floor together, especially with Barnes being a sharpshooter is a D nightmare.

Yes, Fox looked very bad last game, so did Vassell and Wemby for 3 quarters. The O totally stalled when Castle left the court, but so did the D. This is training camp for Fox and the team to learn to play with Fox + Castle + Wemby together. Give it a chance to breathe.

Also, Houston is very happy with KD, they're not trading him. Full stop.

 

[Arguendo]

It doesn't have to be as if the Spurs were getting rid of him but more finding a better solution for both parties.

Especially if Castle keep progressing at this impressive trend and Harper looming around.

Could Fox be the one who's the most motivated by a move?

If PATFO is smart that's the way things should happen, when you want an employee to leave, the best is often to give him fewer hours or tasks rather than firing him.

Quid if Fox's role and importance diminishes? Castle already looks like the alpha out there...

This is the only way it could possibly happen before the deadline next season (even then, highly unlikely- full yr 3 is much more likely ). Fox chose here explicitly, he wanted to be here. The Spurs are the most loyal org in the NBA, maybe in sport.
If it becomes clear down the road its not working, or its severely hampering the roster construction, then I'll look to move him but that's likely 2 full season away.
Without that, Fox has to ask out. And that's not happening by trade deadline this season.

 

[Dex]

For as much as we joke around about "Bonner and Blair for your All Star" kind of stuff... those are nothing compared to some of the shit I see on r/NBATradeIdeas. Lakers trades are always the most egregious... but then again, they did get Luka for the rotting corpse of Anthony Davis, so I guess maybe they aren't all that unrealistic.

No more Stern around to veto them

 

[SpurSpike]

So are yall voting no because it's unrealistic or because yall wouldn't do the trade?

 

[PanameSpur]

This is the only way it could possibly happen before the deadline next season (even then, highly unlikely- full yr 3 is much more likely ). Fox chose here explicitly, he wanted to be here. The Spurs are the most loyal org in the NBA, maybe in sport.
If it becomes clear down the road its not working, or its severely hampering the roster construction, then I'll look to move him but that's likely 2 full season away.
Without that, Fox has to ask out. And that's not happening by trade deadline this season.

2 full seasons you reckon??

That's too much if he's not at the level. The "Spurs have Castle & Harper" excuse won't last that long imo.

Let's hope I'm dead wrong and Fox is still "that guy"

 

[PanameSpur]

No All Star player will ever push to come here again if they do this, you have to understand that clearly.

Besides, Fox has played three whole fucking games, and two of them were good. It’s WAY Too soon to be pulling the rip cord.

Everybody keeps repeating that but I'm not convinced, it looks like one of those things enough repeated until they become unquestioned truths.

In the end it's a business.

You can list the franchises that "disrespected" their players in the past and realize that it never prevented them from signing new ones.

+ Free agency isn't what it used to be, players sign extensions and are traded after bc they'd lose too much money otherwise.

 

[SpurSpike]

Spurs gave Fox his money, they have paid for the right to play or trade him. It's really that simple. They hold no obligation to keep him here unless they feel it's best for the team. Spurs will give him a fair chance to see how he fits this roster but if an opportunity arises to make the team better there should be no hard feelings if they take it.

 

[Bones]

Why is anyone putting any thought into replying to this thread

 

[JMarkJohns]

There’s no world any team acquired Durant and 1sts for a player who isn’t in Top-15.

Fox for Durant is interesting. You all had a chance to get Durant and reports I heard was the best offer made to Suns was Johnson/Barnes/14.

 

[Exstatic]

Everybody keeps repeating that but I'm not convinced, it looks like one of those things enough repeated until they become unquestioned truths.

In the end it's a business.

You can list the franchises that "disrespected" their players in the past and realize that it never prevented them from signing new ones.

+ Free agency isn't what it used to be, players sign extensions and are traded after bc they'd lose too much money otherwise.

It’s still only three fucking games. Can’t gloss over that.

 

[JMarkJohns]

Everybody keeps repeating that but I'm not convinced, it looks like one of those things enough repeated until they become unquestioned truths.

In the end it's a business.

You can list the franchises that "disrespected" their players in the past and realize that it never prevented them from signing new ones.

+ Free agency isn't what it used to be, players sign extensions and are traded after bc they'd lose too much money otherwise.

How many mega free agents the spurs ever sign? Curious.

Historically the Spurs are built via Draft and Trades. Nothing wrong with that when done right.

 

[Shmurs]

Can someone list out all the examples of a team who did something foul to a player so bad that other players no longer want to accept their money to play there? What’s the premise here - that the spurs get wedged out by his agent because they were mean to Fox?

I don’t think we should trade him, but if we did it would mean squat about our ability to attract other dudes.

 

[PanameSpur]

How many mega free agents the spurs ever sign? Curious.

Historically the Spurs are built via Draft and Trades. Nothing wrong with that when done right.

Check my last sentence, this is a different era, free agency doesn't matter anymore.

I asked when have we ever seen a franchise, even from a small market, not behaving "loyally" to a player and getting impacted negatively? I can't find any insatance.

Places are limited, everybody wants the bag and now Spurs have Wemby who by himself is an added incentive.

Too many clichés on this topic imho

 

[SupremeGuy]

So are yall voting no because it's unrealistic or because yall wouldn't do the trade?

I wouldn't do the trade.