Analysis Brian Windhorst: “Spurs are a playoff contender”

I really hope Mitch and Sweeney and co have free reign to coach how they want. I truly feel like the last 5-7 years, even in the DeRozan era, Spurs underachieved and could have been a lot better had they had a coach in place that made obvious adjustments and didn't refuse to play lineups that made sense. Not to mention the terribly antiquated defensive schemes
 
I really hope Mitch and Sweeney and co have free rein to coach how they want. I truly feel like the last 5-7 years, even in the DeRozan era, Spurs underachieved and could have been a lot better had they had a coach in place that made obvious adjustments and didn't refuse to play lineups that made sense. Not to mention the terribly antiquated defensive schemes
I’m one of the annoying people who jumped onto the spurs last year because I was homeless and because Wemby.

I have been shocked at how badly this team is coached and developed.

Honestly the point Sochan experiment does tell you 100% of what you need to know about the modern day Pop experience. A guy with no interest in winning and no notion of strategy. Just going off of vibes now. I thought it was really weird when he mentioned he hadn’t seen a second of film on Wemby before the lottery results and was on a flight to Paris or something when the results were read. This is the president of the franchise? Someone who had zero insight into the most consequential prospect in the last 20 years? Who doesn’t go follow European club ball or anything else that’s not on r/politics?
 
This is about half of what's got me so interested for next season - the roster is obviously imperfect, but there's just too many questions about fit, chemistry, playing style, and synergy at the moment to make any major moves on the roster.

We should have a significantly clearer picture of what needs to be "worked out" by the season's half. I see many players on tenuous ground, from Vassell, to Keldon, to even Sochan if he doesn't show significant progress.

The team is clearly not in a tanking mindset anymore, and it remains to be seen which players can adjust to that and play winning basketball. We should start a Trade Predictions thread, tbh

Keldon, Sochan, and Vassell aren't a big deal to me. They're role players and can be moved or not. My biggest questions are:

1. What's a big that can start next to Wemby. Whether it's one of the new centers or a mobile PF or whatever, there needs to be someone who can rebound and take on size, hopefully able to shoot. A Harrison Barnes who is better on the boards.

2. What's the deal with the three PG types. Harper and Fox do a ton of the same things, Castle needs time to develop, they all want to get into the lane, aren't great from deep. What to do with them, how to get them touches, and so on?
 
I’m one of the annoying people who jumped onto the spurs last year because I was homeless and because Wemby.

I have been shocked at how badly this team is coached and developed.

Honestly the point Sochan experiment does tell you 100% of what you need to know about the modern day Pop experience. A guy with no interest in winning and no notion of strategy. Just going off of vibes now. I thought it was really weird when he mentioned he hadn’t seen a second of film on Wemby before the lottery results and was on a flight to Paris or something when the results were read. This is the president of the franchise? Someone who had zero insight into the most consequential prospect in the last 20 years? Who doesn’t go follow European club ball or anything else that’s not on r/politics?
You didn't follow them until last year but then complain about some weird comments made three draft cycles ago?
 
You didn't follow them until last year but then complain about some weird comments made three draft cycles ago?
Yes?

do the comments change form based on how many derozen games you watched?

There’s a through line there, by the way, of pop being checked out on Vic and deciding to throw away his first 30 games in the NBA to validate a bust draft pick from the year before.
 
Pop’s still very much around. Mitch is the HC because he’s going to be a surrogate for el jeffe. They would have brought in Malone or Jenkins if they were really moving on. Instead Pop still gets to make all of the decisions - including tagging Jeremy as “untouchable” this summer and giving Devin more iso ball opportunities this season.

And those moments where you need to have a real-time conversation after a game about a pressing issue? We’re going to have a 76 year old who just had a major stroke leading those midnight calls. It’s a total joke how the he FO is structured.
I see it differently. I think Pop realizes his capacities and capabilities are hampered now.

Pop has usually been very good about empowering people...players, staff, coaches, assistants, etc.

And I think Pop has full trust in Mitch (for better or worse). There has to be a reason they didn't even explore the coaching market as far as we can tell.

Sure, Pop will probably chime in occasionally or Johnson may reach out for advice, but this should be Mitch's team to run and I don't think Pop will interfere too much.
 
I guess it boils down to … what is the real function of the president and what is the harm when the person in that role has drastically reduced cognition and stamina. And what if that person considered coaching the spurs his life’s work and is still able to perform those duties by proxy?

His place on the payroll is such a crazy display of ego.
 
BSPN Top 100 rankings for Spurs players:
100-51: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46304114/nba-rank-2025-2026-best-players-100-51
50-11: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...026-williams-harden-morant-best-players-50-11
top 10: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...5-rankings-top-10-players-jokic-durant-lebron

99: Steph - confused about this one, especially with the next player listed...
93: Vasselline :st-lmao:
35: Fox - respectable, borderline AS
5: Wemby - respectable, hope it's top 3, should be better than Giannis and potentially Luka
 
Didn't this list notoriously snub DDR for years when he was on the Spurs, but now includes Dev? That's kind of wild.

Guys above Fox (35) who I'd still take Swipa over:

  • Sabonis (34)
  • Morant (33)
  • Barnes (30)
  • Trae (29)
  • Derrick (26) - this is actually a tough one for me. Derrick is an elite role player, maybe the best role player in the league. But he'll never be an All Star. Fox is borderline All Star.
  • Harden (23) - okay I admit Harden is better, but fuck Harden
  • Kawhi (20) - seriously? #20?
 
The roster is unbalanced and needs work but if Vic is healthy all season this is a playoff team. I think they're going to give a lot of teams trouble.
I think they could be first-round spoilers and a second-round headache as is. There are pieces that can be flipped to make the roster better along the way.

This is the first season in a long time we can be very optimistic without lying about it.
 
Yes?

do the comments change form based on how many derozen games you watched?

There’s a through line there, by the way, of pop being checked out on Vic and deciding to throw away his first 30 games in the NBA to validate a bust draft pick from the year before.
No, you sound like one of those terminal dead enders who have been harping on Pop for a decade now. You definitely haven't 'just' been watching. But go on, lol.
 
I think they could be first-round spoilers and a second-round headache as is. There are pieces that can be flipped to make the roster better along the way.

This is the first season in a long time we can be very optimistic without lying about it.
You (okay I know it's just a screenname) were my favorite player on one of my favorite Spurs lineups of all time (Rod/Willie/Sean/TC/DRob). It really broke my heart when you decided to flash your dog in a hotel room and it resulted (along with Red's cheapness) in you being exiled from SA :ROFLMAO:
 
I guess it boils down to … what is the real function of the president and what is the harm when the person in that role has drastically reduced cognition and stamina. And what if that person considered coaching the spurs his life’s work and is still able to perform those duties by proxy?

His place on the payroll is such a crazy display of ego.
Goddamn give it up. Pop is pretty much retired.
 
didn't take long for us to start getting takes with the "fill in the gaps" premises.
 
I am simultaneoulsy optimistic and pessimistic about this team.

Let's start with the pessimism. There is still a noticeable lack of talent across the board. Yes, Wemby should be top-5. But beyond that, Fox is a borderline top-30 player and then shit gets bad. Steph is promising but still has a ways to go to be viewed as a legit #3 on a serious team. We don't know what Dylan or Carter are yet, and it would be foolish to say they will be immediate, positive players in the mold of a top 5-7 player on a serious team. The friendship crew is detritus, at best. The rest are either spare parts (KO), bench players (JC, Kornet), or due for the old-folks home (HB). There is a stark lack of talent here, no matter how you look at it.

Optimism. Aside from OKC, DEN, and MIN, there are some serious questions for the #3-#8 spots. Houston lost their only credentialied ballhandler, which will not help their main weakness historically -- halfcourt offense. I doubt Ime puts the ball in Amen or Reed's hands and says run the offense. But they may not have a choice. The Clippers are hella old, injury prone, and under a massive investigation that might result in their star player being banned from the league. The Lakers are relying on a 41 year old Lebron. The Warriors are relying on Jimmy, Steph, and Ray-mond, who are all north of 35. The Mavericks are relying on injury-prone AD to be their best player and who the fuck knows what Kyrie looks like when he's back. It's hard to gauge how Memphis will look due to Ja's inconsistency and their trading away their third best player.

There is so much room for variance given all these factors that, even with our lack of talent, is the fourth seed out of the question if age catches up to people and KL2 gets banned? Similarly, there's so little historical evidence for optimism I could see this team getting bounced from the play-in as the 10 seed.
 
A lot of trash talk about a man that was the most winning coach in all team sports for a couple of decades, and is still the most winning coach in the NBA. He is now the president of operations, not the coach, but we had many great years with Pop. People who think Mitch will have a chip installed in his head for Pop to make all the calls by proxy are fantastical.
 
A lot of trash talk about a man that was the most winning coach in all team sports for a couple of decades, and is still the most winning coach in the NBA. He is now the president of operations, not the coach, but we had many great years with Pop. People who think Mitch will have a chip installed in his head for Pop to make all the calls by proxy are fantastical.
One can appreciate everything Pop did for the franchise and hold him in great reverence while acknowledging that he has not been doing a good job the last few years. That doesn't negate or change his contributions to the franchise. He shouldn't be above criticism because of his past achievements. I love Pop and think he's the GOAT coach but I also think that he has been over the hill for awhile and needed to step back from coaching at least 2-3 seasons ago

And the fact that he is as old as he is and recovering from a stroke but is still the president of basketball ops is fucking nuts. We all saw how he looked when he announced his decision to step down from coaching. This man should be retired and focusing on being healthy and enjoying the rest of his time on earth, not running a fucking basketball franchise while in active stroke recovery
 
Pop was the best coach in the league for a long time and I’m not sure it was close.

Pop was the worst coach in the league in 2024 and I’m not sure it was close.

He’s very very bad at this right now. Coaching, scouting, player development, not grabbing a mic and yelling at paying customers…I don’t know how he even does his job right now. And I mean literally right now. He should be on the phone constantly and doing 12-14 hour days at this time of the year. Does anyone think that’s what’s happening? There’s no way he has the stamina, communication abilities or cognition to have this job. And he’s not exactly going to heal and get better. This is a legitimately crazy situation.
 
I am simultaneoulsy optimistic and pessimistic about this team.

There is still a noticeable lack of talent across the board.
Don't think across the board works when you credit their #1 & #2 guys as Top5-ish, Top30ish. The reigning ROY weak draft or not, the #2 pick, and the #14 pick. Vassell clearly has NBA talent, talent is not his issue. Since Feb we had an in-his-prime AS choose us and a top-end bench player choose us. They must see something you don't.

How rare is it for a Top 5-10 player to clearly be the best defender in the league? In 40 yrs, we're talking Prime Kawhi, Timmy, Hakeem, Jordan. Its extremely rare. That's worth lots more than talent from your #3-8 guys imo.

30 teams, having a not elderly Top 5-10 and Top25-35 guy is the foundation you want. And our guy will if be unanimous DPOY if healthy.

Look around the league, what teams wouldn't trade their roster for the Spurs? Its like 90% bad cap situations with aging/injured stars, treadmill teams, and perennial tankers.
At least 20+ would trade their "talent" for just Wemby + Castle + Harper.

You never know how the chips will fall, but I wouldn't trade our "talent" and LT potential for any roster except OKC.
Free to disagree but "Noticeable lack of talent ACROSS the board" I'm going with nah on that.
 
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Most teams trying to win this year would not trade places with the spurs. They are 1 injury away from 35 wins.
 
Who is the first of team friendship to leave our team? I think it’s Sochan
 
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One can appreciate everything Pop did for the franchise and hold him in great reverence while acknowledging that he has not been doing a good job the last few years. That doesn't negate or change his contributions to the franchise. He shouldn't be above criticism because of his past achievements. I love Pop and think he's the GOAT coach but I also think that he has been over the hill for awhile and needed to step back from coaching at least 2-3 seasons ago

And the fact that he is as old as he is and recovering from a stroke but is still the president of basketball ops is fucking nuts. We all saw how he looked when he announced his decision to step down from coaching. This man should be retired and focusing on being healthy and enjoying the rest of his time on earth, not running a fucking basketball franchise while in active stroke recovery
do people really think pop is doing president of basketball ops things? My guess is that it’s just a title and hers serving more of a ceremonial role.
 
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