Analysis Any Mitchsuckers going to do damage control for these gutless worms?

[RC_Drunkford]

They weren’t leaving guys open at the 3 on purpose. This was the result of playing Kornet with Wemby. They pumped up the interior D and paint scoring but sacrificed the three point shooting defense. It was all scheme. Perhaps they don’t make that choice next time. That option is there when they’re against a tough inside scoring team. It wasn’t a personnel issue - it was a coaching decision.

that's a dumb strategy against Golden State. Maybe they thought Jimmy can't shoot 3s, but his percentage is quite good this season.

 

[OK Computer]

that's a dumb strategy against Golden State. Maybe they thought Jimmy can't shoot 3s, but his percentage is quite good this season.

That strategy led to Draymond shooting threes too, and he missed a lot. So it wasn’t just Jimmy, it was Draymond too. To take a chance on letting those guys live and die by the three is good strategy. The Spurs didn’t lose because of that. They lost because of 1) Fox putting little effort in, 2) Steph Curry going berserk and 3) every ticky tack referee call.

 

[Quentin_Compson]

If I recall, Butler was like 5-7 from downtown, that is just bad luck catching a shooting game like that from him.

 

[rjv]

If I recall, Butler was like 5-7 from downtown, that is just bad luck catching a shooting game like that from him.

he was wide open for at least two of those. that three when the Spurs were down three and over two minutes left was brutal. he had time to look down and set his feet and was still wide open when he shot it.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

That strategy led to Draymond shooting threes too, and he missed a lot. So it wasn’t just Jimmy, it was Draymond too. To take a chance on letting those guys live and die by the three is good strategy. The Spurs didn’t lose because of that. They lost because of 1) Fox putting little effort in, 2) Steph Curry going berserk and 3) every ticky tack referee call.

Disagree. Curry shot 31% from 3, the rest of the Warriors shot 39% and out of 86 FG attempts 56 were 3s. That's a bad recipe to dare a team that wants to shoot. You have to force them into midrange shots.

 

[scott]

This is because we force opposing teams to shoot less threes because of our slower pace. The metric you should look at is the 3pa of teams when they play the Spurs and when they don’t. If my gut is correct, it will be lower. The Spurs’ strategy is to allow the opposing team to live and die by the three, because they shoot less of them. With a slower pace comes fewer opportunities, which is why the Spurs have invested in players who can score an efficient 2 points - there won’t be a lot of shooting to get hot enough / get in rhythm for threes. That’s the Spurs philosophy around Vic.

Let's run the math! Looks like it's split pretty evenly. Funny enough the averages come out almost dead on, but the variance is pretty high. I will say, the games I thought we looked the best (DAL, TOR, HOU) we held teams under their average. We also we doing a good job of limiting 3PA until the last 3 games or so. It makes sense that funneling everything to the paint would be our defensive strategy... but we've not been doing a good job at it the last few games. And if that IS our strategy, then it is even more imperative our guys stop unnecessarily doubling from the perimeter and leaving their man wide open.

 

[scott]

I also did not save the spreadsheet I made this table on and I wish I would have to keep track of it throughout the season. Maybe a data project for someone else.

 

[OK Computer]

Let's run the math! Looks like it's split pretty evenly. Funny enough the averages come out almost dead on, but the variance is pretty high. I will say, the games I thought we looked the best (DAL, TOR, HOU) we held teams under their average. We also we doing a good job of limiting 3PA until the last 3 games or so. It makes sense that funneling everything to the paint would be our defensive strategy... but we've not been doing a good job at it the last few games. And if that IS our strategy, then it is even more imperative our guys stop unnecessarily doubling from the perimeter and leaving their man wide open.

I think 2pa should be added as well, to show if the teams against us increase their 2pa rate and if the ratio between 2pa and 3pa flips. Thanks for doing the work.

 

[scott]

I think 2pa should be added as well, to show if the teams against us increase their 2pa rate and if the ratio between 2pa and 3pa flips. Thanks for doing the work.

You're going to have to do the work on that one.

 

[Itzsoweezee]

They weren’t leaving guys open at the 3 on purpose. This was the result of playing Kornet with Wemby. They pumped up the interior D and paint scoring but sacrificed the three point shooting defense. It was all scheme. Perhaps they don’t make that choice next time. That option is there when they’re against a tough inside scoring team. It wasn’t a personnel issue - it was a coaching decision.

They didn’t pump up interior D. Where are you getting that from?

I’m really disappointed in how bad this team is defensively. The Spurs were messaging defense throughout training camp, and they might actually be worse than ever scheme-wise, if there even is a scheme.

The Spurs are literally a one man defense. It’s ridiculous how much Wemby covers up for the stupid choices of his teammates/coaches.

 

[poopbox]

he was wide open for at least two of those. that three when the Spurs were down three and over two minutes left was brutal. he had time to look down and set his feet and was still wide open when he shot it.

True but part of the spurs defensive philosophy has always been we will leave bad 3 point shooters open and if they make them oh well.

Over the last 6 years though they have made a fuck ton of them due to just so many people shooting 3's now so not sure how viable this defense is anymore

 

[Raven_]

That strategy led to Draymond shooting threes too, and he missed a lot. So it wasn’t just Jimmy, it was Draymond too. To take a chance on letting those guys live and die by the three is good strategy. The Spurs didn’t lose because of that. They lost because of 1) Fox putting little effort in, 2) Steph Curry going berserk and 3) every ticky tack referee call.

I agree that it was a scheme, and I agree it was very dumb as well.. in fact it is so dumb it should result in the coach getting heat right away. When you have wemby, the last thing you should do is favour your opposition to shoot threes. It is so dumb in fact it is hard to fathom.. the only reasoning i can find for it, is that they don't want wemby to risk fould trouble, but even if this was the case, it makes it even worse to play kornet with him

 

[Raven_]

True but part of the spurs defensive philosophy has always been we will leave bad 3 point shooters open and if they make them oh well.

Over the last 6 years though they have made a fuck ton of them due to just so many people shooting 3's now so not sure how viable this defense is anymore

it is worse than that, the spurs drafting strategy is eminently defense focused, our strength is that we always draft for defensive potential, we hardly ever draft a player just for offense. given that, how can someone be ok with playing bend don't break defense, since you are inherently less offensive inclined in your personel. It's a bad idea, and it should be taken care of.

 

[Em-City]

I'm fine with leaving a guy like Jimmy or draymond open but if they hit 2 in a row you've got to start respecting that shot.
On the other hand, Horford and moody are good shooters and should never have been given the looks they got

 

[spursistan]

Mitch has been awful last week or so..Rookie coach doing rookie coach things

 

[Splits]

"Ok gais, 6 seconds left, let's ignore our 7'6" guy, throw it to the other team's free throw line, and get a mid-range jumper. GSG!!!111"

 

[LeBowen]

I'll admit I was wrong.
Mitch is lost until proven otherwise.

 

[spursistan]

Blowing a double digit lead in like 85 % of our games this season (Mavs/Suns being the exception) is a telltale sign of bottom tier game-manager coach..

We would be 0-2 in prospective series vs the old and washed Warriors who were near implosion few days ago with Mitch looking clueless about any adjustments after 2 home games

 

[Kick-Stand]

Mitch has been awful last week or so..Rookie coach doing rookie coach things

He was pretty shitty the week before too. What a waste having a bottom tier coach fuck up Wemby's development.

 

[Unseen]

I'm just feeling like he ain't it, but the season is still young and so is he.

 

[LeBowen]

Doomer talk time.
How good has this team actually been?
Just look at our wins.
Mavs - awful.
Pelicans x2 - even worse.
Nets - the worst, almost lost.
Raptors - a supbar East play-in team, no Poeltl meant they had no NBA level bigs.
Heat - Herro and Powell were out.
Rockets - the only legit win and a great game throughout.
Bulls - barely won whith Giddey out.

We lost to the Suns without half the roster, Lakers without Lebron/Reaves and now lost to B2B Warriors.
Yeah, we were missing Fox and Harper, but our schedule has been maybe even the easiest in the league.

If we don't get 4 straight wins in this homestand, things will get ugly because we play 7 out of 10 on the road after that.
Including road games in Denver, Minnesota, OKC, Cleveland and Orlando.

There's a real possibility we get dangerously close to .500 at the end of that stretch.

My post from the other day, not looking good.

 

[jeebus]

Seven foot fucking five. We're on year 3 of these cucks ignoring him, trying to be Enrique Jr. Did this stupid ass team not see the Heat game on Monday? Where Wiggins won the game with an inbound lob with .4 left? God this team is easy to hate.

 

[scott]

I want to see Mitch start getting in these Refs ear and lobbying for our guys. The whistles are absurd. I don’t want to see us become GSW/Luka level of whiners… but these guys and guys like SGA/Giannis just don’t get whistles, they lobby for them and “earn” them. Our team does none of that, we just play and hope the refs notice the obvious fouls the other team is committing.

After the bench went ape shit after they missed an obvious foul call, the refs finally responded with the whistles for a little while. These chumps in stripes are easily manipulated and we lose that battle every game

 

[spursistan]

My post from the other day, not looking good.

This mini-series have sealed it for me. Definitely not as good as our record suggests..Considering the circumstances of the game, the Wednesday Loss was easily the most egregious L in Mitch era (interim stint included) ..Just doesn't seem like they the killer instinct (blown 10+ lead in virtually every game)

 

[ShoppingCartFestival]

Becky would be a better coach than Mitch, PERIOD. No matter what the she-men women haters say.