NBA Melo and Howard in the HOF

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What are you thoughts on those 2 ?


No NBA championship (Howard has one but he was a veteran role player and not a very good one at that). Melo won nothing except scoring titles. Both went full ring chasers in the end of their career. Looking at NBA only I think neither of them deserve it tbh

Both had a lot of sucess in college. Dwight has a gold medal with USA scoring 10 ppg on a 8-0 team while Melo has 3 consecutive gold.

I'd say Melo deserve it based on NBA individual accolades and college, USA ball.. I don't see Dwight as a HOF though imho fwiw
 
Melo-yes, maybe even hell yes!
Dwight-yes, but, not a first ballot guy
 
Melo gets in strictly off college and Olympic play alone tbh. His NBA resume makes him a first ballot HoFer. Dwert will get in too but might not make it on the first go-round.
 
Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing: zero NBA championships, all in the Hall. Obviously, it’s not a criteria,but just your personal bias.
 
The Basketball Hall of Fame is not that hard to get in to. Based on some of the dudes who are in there already, Melo and Dwight should easily be there.
 
2004 gold medalist Pepe Sanchez had a good point.
How come 2008 redeem team gets in as a team and 2004 Argentina team doesn't? It's easily the biggest accomplishment in basketball.
 
Exstatic said:
Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing: zero NBA championships, all in the Hall. Obviously, it’s not a criteria,but just your personal bias.
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I did not say otherwise, there are a lot of people in the HOF not deserving, my bias is HOF should be more selective than it is.. At least there is 1st ballot concept. According also to my bias, Kawhi is a clear HOFer, Melo also but taking into account college and USA.. Dwight is not for the reasons I mentionned. For me winning should be also a strong criteria.
 
There is no way D12 doesn't make this. You may not have remembered but he was a monster in the paint in the late 00s. I think he had 3 DPoYs. He took a VERY meh Magic team to the finals, he was basically a 20ppg Ben Wallace. He had multiple years finishing top 5 in MVP voting, multiple All NBA 1st team and D 1st team. That's a resume that stacks up favourably to Patrick Ewing, who was undoubtedly a 1st ballot HoFer.

Melo though, he only had one year in top 5 MVP voting, 2 years in top 10 (as in one additional year where he finished 6th), never made All NBA 1st team, not even close to an all D team. He was like a new age, worse version of Bernard King, who was also a HoF. Melo also had his international coattailing resume he can point to.

I mean, should they have gotten in the basketball Hall of Fame if the HoF has the actual criteria like one would expect a HoF to have? I would say yes for Dwight, thought not 1st ballot, and no for Melo. But then you look at the actual Hall, where you have players like Gail Goodrich, Chris Mullin (I love the guy, but HoF?), Earl the Pearl, Zelmo Beaty, Charlie Scott, Bill Bradley, Calvin Murphy and Mitch Richmond. I can pretty easily list another 20 or so HOFers who got there primarily due to their NBA careers, and they would have worse NBA careers than Dwight or Melo.
 
Yeah, considering only their respective NBA exploits, Dwight easily beats out Melo, in my opinion. Sure, Dwight had his limitations offensively, but he still was a two-way monster at his peak and also had success in the playoffs. As Ambchang pointed out, the individual accolades in the NBA also clearly set Dwight above Melo.
 
Over NBA only I can see a rationale where Howard is more of an HOF than Melo eventhough it is arguable imo he is as much as a loser as Howard but he has for him 29,000 career points 10th in history.. Now looking at as a whole there is no debate: Melo has 3 consecutive gold and also the coataling argument is overused.. at this point everybody is coataling a bit in USA team. Besides he has bunch of records like most games played, only athlete with 3 consecutive gold, most points etc...
 
Dwight absolutely deserved it. i think people underplay how great he was before joining the Lakers. he was legitimately a top 2-3 players in the league for several years. the best defender of his day, and a productive offensive player as well.

ended up falling off but hung around as a very good role player/defender/rebounder and was a legitimate contributer for that title winning laker team

melo as well. no, i dont love his brand of ball, but his counting stats are a thing (12th all time leading scorer) and he did take teams on some playoff runs. but this is not strictly an "NBA hall of fame", its basketball hall of fame. his one year at syracuse was truly legendary and he's a 3 time olympic gold medalist and not just as a bench tag-along, but a starter who was among the leaders in minutes and points each time.

if you were looking NBA only, i think Dwight has a stronger case than Melo. but when you factor in the other stuff, its hard to deny Melo at all
 
spurraider21 said:
Dwight absolutely deserved it. i think people underplay how great he was before joining the Lakers. he was legitimately a top 2-3 players in the league for several years. the best defender of his day, and a productive offensive player as well.

ended up falling off but hung around as a very good role player/defender/rebounder and was a legitimate contributer for that title winning laker team

melo as well. no, i dont love his brand of ball, but his counting stats are a thing (12th all time leading scorer) and he did take teams on some playoff runs. but this is not strictly an "NBA hall of fame", its basketball hall of fame. his one year at syracuse was truly legendary and he's a 3 time olympic gold medalist and not just as a bench tag-along, but a starter who was among the leaders in minutes and points each time.

if you were looking NBA only, i think Dwight has a stronger case than Melo. but when you factor in the other stuff, its hard to deny Melo at all
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Playing with Kirby will do that to ya
 
spurraider21 said:
Dwight absolutely deserved it. i think people underplay how great he was before joining the Lakers. he was legitimately a top 2-3 players in the league for several years. the best defender of his day, and a productive offensive player as well.

ended up falling off but hung around as a very good role player/defender/rebounder and was a legitimate contributer for that title winning laker team

melo as well. no, i dont love his brand of ball, but his counting stats are a thing (12th all time leading scorer) and he did take teams on some playoff runs. but this is not strictly an "NBA hall of fame", its basketball hall of fame. his one year at syracuse was truly legendary and he's a 3 time olympic gold medalist and not just as a bench tag-along, but a starter who was among the leaders in minutes and points each time.

if you were looking NBA only, i think Dwight has a stronger case than Melo. but when you factor in the other stuff, its hard to deny Melo at all
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I think the Dwight case is similar to David Robinson. If you only saw post 1996 Robinson, you don’t understand him at all. Most people only remember the end career player when they fall off.
 
You guys know I don't think Howard is a winner or much of a difference maker, but his numbers alone make him a hall of famer don't they? His ring has to help. He rang, right?
 
Exstatic said:
I think the Dwight case is similar to David Robinson. If you only saw post 1996 Robinson, you don’t understand him at all. Most people only remember the end career player when they fall off.
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Good analogy.
 
brazil said:
And manu tbh fwiw
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part of the reason why nobody takes the basketball HOF seriously. you also have clowns like billy donovan that just got in
 
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