Guard A vs Guard B

[KobesAchilles]

Guard A: Stats for the season
16.8 ppg on 13.8 FGAs
45% Fg% overall
43% 3P%
EFG= 57.3%
2.8 assists
1.5 steals
0 blocks
3.5 Rebounds
2.3 TOs
27 million a year contract

Guard B: Stats for the year
34.2 PPG on 19.8 FGAs
52% Fg% overall
38.5% 3pt%
EFG= 60.1%
10 assists
1.8 steals
0 blocks
5.6 Rebounds
3.8 TOs
25 million a year contract

 

[Guru of Nothing]

I can't think of any guards that make $27M/yr.

 

[NASpurs]

Is this Devin Vassell and Austin Reeves?

 

[Corso]

Is this Devin Vassell and Austin Reeves?

It's sunk cost to be corrected vs a dude about to get PAAAIIIIDDDD.

 

[spurraider21]

i like whichver one is worse for OP's agenda

 

[scott]

It wouldn't be the old ST crew if we didn't have an Austin Reaves thread.

OP is cheating though... Guard B is only on a $13.9MM contract... the $25MM is just what we had theorized offering him instead of the $27MM we gave YungDev0

 

[Lefty20]

I think OP is either unaware of the fact that 25 mil was the ABSOLUTE most Lakers could have paid Guard B at the time of his contract negotiation.

Or, the more likely case, OP is aware but conveniently ignoring this fact because it doesn't fit the agenda.

 

[scott]

I'm happy with the makeup of our team... but had we signed Reaves instead of Devin... and still managed to land Castle and Harper... then obviously you don't trade for Fox... maybe that Max spot is filled with a trade for Lauri instead and this is your team. I'll continue to use only one guard position as I do with Fox/Castle/Harper because I believe they are all combo guards (some are stronger at the 1 v the 2, but they can all play together as a PG/SG pair).

G: Reaves/Castle/Harper
SF: Champ/Keldon
PF: Lauri/Barnes/Sochan
C: Wemby/Kornet

I like Lauri a lot... but I like Fox more... but it's hard to argue that the second lineup isn't stronger. However, the assumption that everything else would work out the same is doing a lot of heavy lifting. In reality, we probably don't get Castle or Harper.

 

[scott]

I think OP is either unaware of the fact that 25 mil was the ABSOLUTE most Lakers could have paid Guard B at the time of his contract negotiation.

Or, the more likely case, OP is aware but conveniently ignoring this fact because it doesn't fit the agenda.

I think OP is making the case that we should have signed Reaves to 4/100 instead of Devin to 5/135.

But... I think it is worth pointing out that they are not interchangeable. Reaves is a combo 1/2. Devin is a 2/3 (playing most 3 for us at this point). There would have been a butterfly effect. Harper is likely not a Spur. Castle is likely not even be a Spur.

If we sign Reaves, our team might look more like this (I'll continue to use Lauri).

Reaves/Tre Jones
Coward/?
Saluan/Keldon
Lauri/Sochan
Wemby/Kornet

In that context... I'm glad did what we did.

 

[Lefty20]

I think OP is making the case that we should have signed Reaves to 4/100 instead of Devin to 5/135.

Lakers would've likely matched, as he was a restricted FA.

But I do agree that Spurs should've forced their hands.

 

[scott]

Lakers would've likely matched, as he was a restricted FA.

But I do agree that Spurs should've forced their hands.

Especially, IIRC, we really had nothing to lose during that time. It's not like we were going after other FAs and we needed to keep our cap space unencumbered. I do remember us eventually renting out the space in a useful way (meaning, getting compensated for it), but we (and the rest of the league) let the Lakers off easy. However, Reaves is on such a bargain contract that now it creates a situation where he is unextendible and it's going to put the Lakers in a tougher spot and force him into a competitive UFA situation than if they could simply extend him off a 4/100 deal... so in reality it may work out better (in terms of fucking over the Lakers).

 

[Kick-Stand]

I think OP is making the case that we should have signed Reaves to 4/100 instead of Devin to 5/135.

But... I think it is worth pointing out that they are not interchangeable. Reaves is a combo 1/2. Devin is a 2/3 (playing most 3 for us at this point). There would have been a butterfly effect. Harper is likely not a Spur. Castle is likely not even be a Spur.

If we sign Reaves, our team might look more like this (I'll continue to use Lauri).

Reaves/Tre Jones
Coward/?
Saluan/Keldon
Lauri/Sochan
Wemby/Kornet

In that context... I'm glad did what we did.

Not buying the Spurs were actually going to take Salaun. Same whispers about Salaun also said Devin Carter wrecked Castle in the Spurs workouts which seems pretty unlikely now.

 

[scott]

Not buying the Spurs were actually going to take Salaun. Same whispers about Salaun also said Devin Carter wrecked Castle in the Spurs workouts which seems pretty unlikely now.

Insert whomever you prefer, but the point is if we sign Reaves I doubt we'd be in the position to take Castle or Harper.

 

[bozhemoi]

Not buying the Spurs were actually going to take Salaun. Same whispers about Salaun also said Devin Carter wrecked Castle in the Spurs workouts which seems pretty unlikely now.

I will never in my life believe they would have taken Salaun. I think they were doing Vic's friend a favor but knew he sucked.

 

[KobesAchilles]

I couldn’t help myself. Reaves was my one who got away lol. Also yeah like Scott said I am implying that we should’ve offered him a 100/4 year deal

 

[spursparker9]

I couldn’t help myself. Reaves was my one who got away lol. Also yeah like Scott said I am implying that we should’ve offered him a 100/4 year deal

I recall that Reaves had mentioned in an interview that he has considered San Antonio during the 2024-2025 offseason but SA did not make any offer.

 

[Ice009]

I recall that Reaves had mentioned in an interview that he has considered San Antonio during the 2024-2025 offseason but SA did not make any offer.

I'm pretty sure the Spurs didn't want to screw around and tie up the money waiting for them to match (plus they likely knew they'd match and probably for whatever reason, didn't want to create any ill will between the teams). If they thought the Lakers wouldn't match, they probably would have went for it. But again, if they somehow would have gotten him, would such a move have resulted in no D-Harper? Would you take Reaves and no D-Harp?

Also, the Lakers didn't have Luka at the time, so I'm 99.9% sure they would have matched. If they had of traded for Luka before the season started, then I wonder if that would have changed things.

 

[KobesAchilles]

I think we would’ve gotten Harper regardless

 

[RC_Drunkford]

LOL OP is acting like Reaves puts up these numbers on the regular. He just came of the 2 best games of his entire career

 

[scott]

For clarification, Reaves was a free agent in the summer of 2023, when we drafted Wemby.

Had we signed him, he would have overlapped with year 4 of Vassell's rookie deal, and then Vassell would have likely played on the QO last season and would be gone now.

Reaves would have been starting at PG instead of Point Sochan and then Tre Jones, and we likely would have been better than 22-60 in Wemby's rookie year, taking us out of Top-4 draft odds and we likely don't land Castle.

Whether or not we still finish with the 8th worst record and a 6.3% chance of landing the #2 pick is debatable... but, probably not.

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